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CainTheHunter wrote:
Somehow I'm in that weird part of Dakka again.

You don't say...

Pretty cool ideas though!

That is a pretty strong glow coming off this bad boy. Even if I covered most of it with paint, light would still come just absolutely pouring out.
How do I turn it on and off? I squeeze the dread until i can hit the button hidden inside.
Hollow dreads can also hold 2-3 ounces of liquid just in the main body, so that they squish extra sloppy.

And per request, here is a shot with a wash of Createx Transparent green applied so that you can see the detail. The little champagne bubbles are harder to purge from the glue on parts this size, but as you can see, hot glue still does a better job than some other casting materials that shall remain unnamed. It looks good backlit with LEDS too, nice green glow that I'll post later.

Under five dollars total production cost for one dread. $4.50. If I wanted to make ten dreads it would only cost me $9 total.
Acceptable loss of detail/ time spent fixing it with LGS (or more glue)? I'd say so.

THat's just insane

the cast quality is pretty good, but absolutely everything else about this project is terrible.

- It's recasting
- the models look terrible
- the intended use of the models is ridiculous

just...why? why would you do this? at the very least use your high-detail moulds to cast in a material that takes paint well!

it might be an idea to do this with things like Tyranids or Daemons, you might be able to get a decent effect (like those translucent lictors you see sometimes), or to make good casts of parts of models that you can then wire up with LEDs

still, if you're happy with them, good for you, I just think the end result looks like hell - order up a bunch of dental plaster and cast up some awesome models with that instead

The point isn't to make it easy, Charax. The point is to make something unique and challenging, with a cool result.

Hot glue is a challenge. It is soft, hard to paint, melts, and when you cast with it, you are squirting hundreds of bubbles in with the glue as you force air and glue into the cone of the gun. it raises many interesting problems. It is harsh on the mold, so how can I adjust the eleven herbs and spices in my mold material to adjust for that? Adding gesso instead of water to the paint allows it to stick better since it stretches.. Finding new ways to use materials that are so abundant and cheap that most hobbyists are comfortable wasting them, and turning those into something cool is what I'm after. Not just a recast. Sure I could cast it in dental stone, plaster, resin, metal, foam, epoxy, or any other conventional product as well. But I don't. I understand why GW prices are high, and its because the detail is amazing. Mine is pretty good, but would I still prefer to buy GW? Almost every time.

Are we not looking at the same glowing dread? Thats not cool for you? I challenge you to paint or convert any model you currently own to achieve that same effect. You can't. I can't. So... this. What about if I want to cast the main body of dreadnoughts in ice, mix a drink, and serve it to my opponent as we play? Chocolate dreadnought, sir? Hollow chocolate with raspberry blood filling around a infantry shaped truffle, a different prize inside each one. Would you enjoy that game? You betcha. If you watched that game would you want to play next? That is what I'm after.

Interesting models, each totally unique, for cheap.
Models that bleed, glow, move, and re position as you play with them. Models that play sound. Models that a noise marine would play with.

I thinks theyre pretty damn cool.

Charax wrote:

it might be an idea to do this with things like Tyranids

Lol. It might, but most likely not. I hear there is a stigma.

Love the glowing dreadnaught. Great stuff all around.

Cuddly dreads and bleeding marines...

Exalted love this, you definitely need to post a video of peoples reactions when you kill 'em haha...

Tip of the hat, sir. This is the most entertaining thing I have seen on these boards in a long time. I'd love to have some bleeding miniatures to abuse during a game, especially if my opponent was unaware of the miniatures' gooey centers. That sort of surprise would go really far in my gaming group and would likely be talked about for years afterward. Bravo!

Glowing dreads... and I thought my fluorescent miniatures were a "highlight."

(*bad attempt at jest*)

Anyway.... Nice.
I'd like to hear about a glowing Doom... paint everything opaque but the brain, and have the brain glowing... ba da ba ba ba... I'm lovin' it...

If he cast it in plaster wouldn't the model then be very brittle and break easily especially if dropped?

There are different grades of plaster.
Plaster of paris? Yeah, that thing just shattered if you dropped it.
Dental stone? Check the floor for dings and scratches.

You can take a thin coat of resin and coat the mold light enough to make is really hollow, then backfill it with cheap plaster to support the resin. Or you could use hot glue.

It is an interesting idea, but really, it is kind of a giant waste of time. Hot glue and fake blood is a horrible idea for a modeling compound since you are so close to the perfect idea.

The obvious answer would be to make an entire army out of gummy gelatin. Think about it, you have an entire army on the field, it has been a long day of battling and your stomach is rumbling. Imagine your opponent's surprise when you pick up your dread and take a bit out of it, or pop a guardsman into your mouth.

Now sure, painting would be an interesting hurdle, but I am sure that there is something out there that could be used to paint the models that is not only non toxic, but actually used in cooking.

You mean food dye?

and YOUR perfect idea?

Talk about a waste of time, when I hit the glue marine with a hammer, blood comes out, the glue is still there. I can re-fill it and patch it.
The time and effort behind making sure I had enough candy prepped so that I could eat some every game and replace the models...

This is epic!

Haters gonna hate though. Don't know why, it entertains you, and I don't get what's wrong with that! I second the gummy bears idea. I wonder if you could cast them in some sort of Vodka Jelly mix, and turn it into a drinking game. Every time one of you're guys dies you have to eat him...

Alas, while I do like the effects shown here, especially the LED dread, it is very much recasting. And while I'm all for it, Dakka has made it quite clear to not post pictures of IP violations and recasts.

I'm not knocking on what you are doing here. But rules is rules. Those of us who have been here a while that recast don't show pics of it, as much as we might like to.

Sorry to be the stick in the mud on this one. If it was less obvious I wouldn't have said anything.

I would just like to point out that the "waste of time" comment was made entirely in jest.

Yeah, that brings new meaning to wobbly model syndrome though. Would you show up already piss drunk enough to eat a vodka jelly with some flock on it from where it fell over?

I could just serve it on the side as a novelty. I like the idea of edibles. I like to eat and drink just as much as the next guy. But for use in gaming? Pass.


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 Aerethan wrote:
Dakka has made it quite clear to not post pictures of IP violations and recasts.
Those of us who have been here a while that recast don't show pics of it, as much as we might like to.
Sorry to be the stick in the mud on this one. If it was less obvious I wouldn't have said anything.

You have a link in your sig where you plug yourself as a caster! That's selling the IP, which crosses the line into actually illegal. If it was less obvious...
Posting pics of recasts is not illegal. Its against Dakka policy, but I did kinda clear it with a mod. I'm not going into how or being super blatant about it, and say multiple times to buy GW.
Using pics of recasts to sell my own casts of my original sculpts would be illegal since I would be ripping off GW's established product to show the detail of my molds. I'm not.
Making recasts for my own use, in my own home, selling nothing and teaching no one how? Sorry, Jack, I'm pretty sure that has fair use all over it.

GW's terms of use are draconian BS that won't, and doesn't, hold up in any court. Under their rules, you can't post pictures of their products without written clearance.
I see you've... we all have.... been doing a bit of that as well. Shame shame.

It would be vastly different if I were saying something along the lines of "Wooooooo recasts! Screw the man!"
Instead, I am saying "Here is an idea of how to use your models in a new way, isn't this cool?" The answer from most is a resounding yes.

Edit: Reading back over my posts, there is a SLIGHT flavor of "I made this for 5 bucks total production value. What the eff, Finecast?" I'll admit that. It's still pretty innocuous, and not at all illegal. Dakka can (will!) go ahead and throw me directly under the bus if they get so much as a cough from GW about this. Since it's not illegal, only morally debatable, it is a judgement call for the mods, not you. And again, I did kinda clear this. So as long as we can all remain civil, things should be cool here, and I'll continue to post crazy new techniques for you to enjoy.

Hell, I'll most likely even apply them across legit GW models.
Again though, this could all be photoshopped, or just me posting figs I bought on Ebay, or whatever you need to tell yourself to let me keep legally doing my thing.

1. I offer services as a caster. Nowhere do I say I'll do illegal molds or casting. Plenty of people have legitimate needs for molds or casting services.
2. I really doubt a mod signed off on this. It is ENTIRELY against Dakka policy to host or show pictures of recast IP that the poster does not own.
3. Posting pics of illegally obtained goods is indeed a no no. You recast GW parts, which is piracy, which is illegal.
4. I'm not going to get into it really, but we've been over this discussion here on dakka plenty. PERSONAL USE RECASTING IS NOT FAIR USE. You are not making backups in case the original breaks. You are making extra so you have to buy less. That is piracy, not fair use.
5. This has zero to do with GW's little "rules" and everything to do with US copyright infringement laws.

EDIT: where in the hell in my sig does it say anything about casting? The commissions part is in reference to painting.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/core/forum_rules.jsp

I should add, the issue isn't so much with the words you've written. It is the pictures that are the issue here. Hosting or allowing such pictures puts Dakka in a bad position legally.
At the end of the day, all you are doing is recasting, and there have been plenty of discussions on that topic here, all ending with the same thing: Yakface says no.

So even if by some magic a mod said yes, they aren't legally liable. Yakface and Legoburner are.

Just gonna leave this right here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright#Exclusive_rights

And this little tidbit from Fair Use:
the purpose and character of your use
the nature of the copyrighted work
what amount and proportion of the whole work was taken, and
the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work

The purpose of these models is for gaming.
The nature of the work is sculpture
The amount being copied appears to be 100%
The effect of the recasting on the potential market or value is that it decreases sales and devalues legitimate copies of the work.

1. Sure sure. You're still a documented caster trying to shame me.
2. Its on page two.
3. Bring a suit. Or have GW do it. PM me for my lawyer's address. Recasting and SELLING is a no no.
4. I'm making NEW models with properties not held by the original, and advertising THOSE properties. Fair use.
5. Again, step to it in court, everyone but you will have a great laugh.

No, they really aren't. I clicked the same agree button you did that says I'm a big boy and take care of my own messes. I further state that any legal burdens that Dakka has from this, I will pick up out of my own pocket. Because it's never going to happen, since there's no broken laws. There has to be a financial wrong done. I have to sell them, or teach others to do it and by so doing pull money that would have been spent on GW product. That would hold up in court. What money have I taken from them by doing this? Not a penny. What money would they spend to bring suit and see it through against a third graders legal defense? Lots of pennies.

So it's just never going to happen, man. I'm toeing the line, sure, but I'm still on the "cant touch this" side of the line.

Sorry buddy. Can't host/post re-castings here.