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2012/09/17 02:05:43
Subject: Racists are pathetic- anyone else think this way?
If you changed every instant of 'Nazi' into 'Jew' you'd have typical Nazi rhetoric. You aren't any better than they were/are it would seem.
Yeah, no. Hating someone for being a bigot is not the same as hating someone because of the ethnic group they were born into.
Also, most Nazi rhetoric didn't resemble a list of lawyer jokes.
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1) We classify them legally as mentally slowed
2) We make them legally game animals
And I'm sick of people trying to claim that we should fight Nazis without violence. Go back to WWII and see how that works; we didn't do it then, I don't see why now has to be any different. The fact is, that at the minimum, they are traitors to the state because they are supporting a foreign military that declared war on the United States. There is no reason they shouldn't be executed for that alone. They are killing people, and we sit around getting bullgak from Closet-Nazi-Hippies who claim that they have some sort of devine right to what they do.
The way to a more peaceful world is to stamp these fethers out! Organize a Jewish Protection Echelon. Such an organization would not have to be made up of Jews, but anyone who would be willing to return the brutality that is the only thing the Nazis respect. We'll see how the Nazis react when there's a JSS instead of everyone just taking it.
How does a Nazi steal a bike? Picks it up and runs.
What do you call 10,000 Nazis at the bottom of the sea? A good start.
Inglorious basterds glorifies animal cruelty.
Arthur Harris was a Nazi baker.
Who do you call to get rid of Nazis? An exterminator.
What do you use to get rid of Nazis? Insecticide.
A lot of this may have intentionally been over the top. But seriously...
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And thank you to Hitler for helping us win the war. Proof of racist intelligence.
I know what you're thinking; I need to start an anti racist blog.
If you changed every instant of 'Nazi' into 'Jew' you'd have typical Nazi rhetoric. You aren't any better than they were/are it would seem.
I really hope this is some sort of bad joke, because otherwise, it's just standing up for racists.
Nazis killed 60 million people. What did Jews do? They did not ever do anything approaching that. That is the difference, there is no comparison.
Why don't you go condemn Inglorious Basterds and say that it's "Nazi like;" see how far you get with that. Everyone will think that you're like David Duke in this video:
NSFW, racist
Spoiler:
I also happen to be very familiar with the tactics of various Nazis and racists, and the argument you are making is entirely consistent with their arguments. According to you, people like Arthur Harris, Dwight Eisenhower, Winston Churchill, Josef Stalin, Carl Spaatz, James Doolittle, and everyone else you owe your freedom to is "no different that the Nazis."
Really? I always thought that was just Ludlum reaching for a plot device...
Yeah, there is good evidence to suggest the Nazis intended to leverage antisemitism and nationalism in the Middle East in order to realize the final solution. After which they probably would have killed off the Arabs.
Inglorious Basterds, wasn't that the movie that actually made Germans seem sympathetic when compared to some of the "Good guys" ?
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2012/09/17 02:40:03
Subject: Racists are pathetic- anyone else think this way?
One of the levels of IB was that it turned the mirror on the audience, that our protagonists were also psychos and mass murderers. That in cheering brutal murder and torture, even of Nazis, we weren't really sitting on a moral high ground.
This also makes a broader point about how beating up even cartoon villains isn't exactly noble. Nazis are such a popular antagonist and villain precisely because they're irredeemable scum, representatives and fighters on behalf of the organization which instituted and performed the greatest crimes and atrocities in history. But we should be careful about allowing outselves freedom from moral judgement just because the guys we're fighting are the worst of the worst. It's not somehow made okay for us to be brutal monsters, just because we're beating up on even worse monsters.
This is a lesson which is very applicable today. And all in a movie with cheerful violence and humor and fun actors and Tarantino dialogue. Which for my money is a pretty cool combination.
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MrDwhitey wrote: Inglorious Basterds, wasn't that the movie that actually made Germans seem sympathetic when compared to some of the "Good guys" ?
Yes, that Nazi officer that refused to give up his men's position. He seemed more noble than any other protagonist.
I can't remember; was he actually a Nazi, or just a Wehrmacht officer?
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I'm still trying to figure out what the hell the OP meant by 'not because of political correctness or anything like that', but then went on to condemn racism, which to the extent there's any kind of coherent meaning to political correctness, it's anti-racism.
Indeed. Actually a lot of Islamism's more violent elements came about through connections to Nazi Germany.
Really? I always thought that was just Ludlum reaching for a plot device...
The Nazis reached out to whatever groups in the Middle East could threaten British rule.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2012/09/17 03:55:11
Subject: Re:Racists are pathetic- anyone else think this way?
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2012/09/17 04:10:15
Subject: Re:Racists are pathetic- anyone else think this way?
MrDwhitey wrote: Inglorious Basterds, wasn't that the movie that actually made Germans seem sympathetic when compared to some of the "Good guys" ?
Yes, that Nazi officer that refused to give up his men's position. He seemed more noble than any other protagonist.
I can't remember; was he actually a Nazi, or just a Wehrmacht officer?
Most people would say those are synonymous terms, but just an officer of the Heer.
I would have to agree with that. The Wehrmacht was responsible for the rape of 10,000,000 Russian women, and everything else during the Holocaust, and we need to stop exaggerating them because of pre-war traditions of not being part of political parties. The end result is that people exonerate the Wehrmacht, in blatant acts of Holocaust denial, and start thinking it's cool to make Imperial Guard Nazi armies and gak like that.
Fair point. There's still a bit of a distinction between members of the Nazi party and non-members.
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And relate, stop fething using complete German in 40k! It looks wrong! There is no reason why there should be pure German in 40k. Krieg isn't pure German, Sturmkrieg isn't pure German. Nothing in 40k is pure German. It doesn't fit. If you need your army to be pure German, I find that highly suspectable.
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MrDwhitey wrote: Inglorious Basterds, wasn't that the movie that actually made Germans seem sympathetic when compared to some of the "Good guys" ?
What movie did you watch?
The one in which Melanie Laurent is obnoxiously hot.
"Second".
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The Schutzstaffel did almost all of the concentration camp things, if I remember correctly. Most of the Heer and other branches had no idea that was going on-- forget about the German People. A lot of people still didn't know it was the truth until the nuremburg trials, much later.
I wonder how "racist" your average soldier in the heer was, come to think of it?
If only ZUN!bar were here...
2012/09/17 04:52:50
Subject: Racists are pathetic- anyone else think this way?
Samus_aran115 wrote: The Schutzstaffel did almost all of the concentration camp things, if I remember correctly. Most of the Heer and other branches had no idea that was going on-- forget about the German People. A lot of people still didn't know it was the truth until the nuremburg trials, much later.
I wonder how "racist" your average soldier in the heer was, come to think of it?
No, the Wehrmacht was heavily involved with the Holocaust, mostly on the Eastern Front. And the Germans who lived in towns could smell the camps and bone fragments and hair rained onto the towns. Then they tried to say they didn't know anything when the Allies showed up.
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1) We classify them legally as mentally slowed
2) We make them legally game animals
Going back to Roman era morals won't really make us any superior to them. In fact, you exemplify a quite strange conundrum ; racism against racists. Good going there.
First, this is mostly a joke. Second, in what way is this "racist?"
But using hyperbole all the time isn't funny, it just makes one look delusional.
Or a troll (or even worse a contrarian), yes I just quoted myself deal with it.
2012/09/17 05:56:01
Subject: Racists are pathetic- anyone else think this way?
Samus_aran115 wrote: The Schutzstaffel did almost all of the concentration camp things, if I remember correctly. Most of the Heer and other branches had no idea that was going on-- forget about the German People. A lot of people still didn't know it was the truth until the nuremburg trials, much later.
I wonder how "racist" your average soldier in the heer was, come to think of it?
No, the Wehrmacht was heavily involved with the Holocaust, mostly on the Eastern Front. And the Germans who lived in towns could smell the camps and bone fragments and hair rained onto the towns. Then they tried to say they didn't know anything when the Allies showed up.
Really? That makes total sense. The final solution wasn't secret by any means. I doubt anyone who read the papers wouldn't know about the organized eradication of six million people, not including everyone else who was in the concentration camps.
If only ZUN!bar were here...
2012/09/17 06:29:03
Subject: Racists are pathetic- anyone else think this way?
Samus_aran115 wrote: The Schutzstaffel did almost all of the concentration camp things, if I remember correctly. Most of the Heer and other branches had no idea that was going on-- forget about the German People. A lot of people still didn't know it was the truth until the nuremburg trials, much later.
I wonder how "racist" your average soldier in the heer was, come to think of it?
The construction of the camps and transport of the Jews and other ethnic groups to them involved the co-operation of just about every major bureacracy within Germany. From the Reichsban, who charged a the standard way one fare price for every victim shoved into their cattle cars, to the countless businessmen and industry heads tasked with various minor or major parts of the project. Never mind the co-operation and awareness of every section of the army.
Many tens of thousands of Germans were directly involved in the extermination. The deportations were undertaken in broad daylight. From there, anyone who cared to find out about what was happening to the Jews could easily have done so.
There was later great effort undertaken by normal German citizens to convince themselves they were entirely ignorant, when the truth is that they were on the whole wilfully ignorant. Ian Kershaw summed up the holocaust perfectly "the road to Auschwitz was built by hatred, but paved by ignorance.'
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2012/09/17 10:58:00
Subject: Re:Racists are pathetic- anyone else think this way?
I would have to agree with that. The Wehrmacht was responsible for the rape of 10,000,000 Russian women, and everything else during the Holocaust, and we need to stop exaggerating them because of pre-war traditions of not being part of political parties. The end result is that people exonerate the Wehrmacht, in blatant acts of Holocaust denial, and start thinking it's cool to make Imperial Guard Nazi armies and gak like that.
The aim of the Werchact was to defeat the Reich's enemy's. The aim of the nazis was to exterminate humanity on a large scale.
To quote a wikipedia entry:
The Nuremberg Trials of the major war criminals at the end of World War II found that the Wehrmacht was not an inherently criminal organization, but that it had committed crimes in the course of the war.
Pretty much all nazis were scumbags, but most of the Wermacht were ordinary German people, not particularly cruel or heartless, though obviously there are always spankers
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2012/09/17 11:04:44
Subject: Re:Racists are pathetic- anyone else think this way?
MrDwhitey wrote: Inglorious Basterds, wasn't that the movie that actually made Germans seem sympathetic when compared to some of the "Good guys" ?
Yes, that Nazi officer that refused to give up his men's position. He seemed more noble than any other protagonist.
I can't remember; was he actually a Nazi, or just a Wehrmacht officer?
I thought Wehrmacht.
Go Aldo! Once again Brad Pitt proves he can actually act when given good non pretty boy roles. I thought the Germans stole that movie though (Fassbender, Christof Waltz, and of course the delectable Dianne Krueger)
and who can forget:
(when told the Dachshund legions had sided with the Allies:
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2012/09/17 11:38:13
Subject: Racists are pathetic- anyone else think this way?
Waltz is Austrian, and Fassbender's a Brit, of German/Irish parentage. But yeah, all four of those actors were great.
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But seriously...
