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 NecronLord3 wrote:

 Kevin949 wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:
You do realize Zahndrekh has an Orb right?

Yes, and Imo as well. Which is why they're the two most commonly used named OL's in my games. Well, one of the reasons anyway.

They're also the ones I usually stick with either the royal court or, if I payed for another orb to have in the court, I put them in another unit I want to survive, such as immortals or possibly lychguard (if I don't have an assault character with an orb to stick with them).

That's also why I mentioned them in my previous post, because they come with the orbs standard.

Imotekh has no Orb.

Right, sorry about that, It's been a while since I've used him, so I might have been thinking he did cuz I ran him with the court.

Huh, strange though I could have sworn one of the other uniques had a res orb other than zahndrekh. I've been using him mainly lately.

I understand that removing (character) from wolf guard and NOT the royal court feels arbitrary, and I won't be surprised if they get FAQ'ed in the next round, however; there is the math. Specifically that a whole squad of Wolf Guard in TDA, with SS (for the 2+/3++) clocks in about 135 points LESS than the cheapest Royal Court you can make with the qualities you describe (Sep weave AND Phase Shifter on the lords for 2+/3++, a Res orb, and a VailTec). And for that 135 points you get to make a 4+ LOS! (and another roll to randomize the wound placement, may or may not matter with TFG model placement) to protect the HALF squad who have only 4+. They also lack any CC punch and have 12" guns without more points on top, so they can be super annoying, particularly with some good dice/bad dice, but I have a hard time seeing that as the new Must-Have-Death-Star.

NeoParn wrote:
I understand that removing (character) from wolf guard and NOT the royal court feels arbitrary, and I won't be surprised if they get FAQ'ed in the next round, however; there is the math. Specifically that a whole squad of Wolf Guard in TDA, with SS (for the 2+/3++) clocks in about 135 points LESS than the cheapest Royal Court you can make with the qualities you describe (Sep weave AND Phase Shifter on the lords for 2+/3++, a Res orb, and a VailTec). And for that 135 points you get to make a 4+ LOS! (and another roll to randomize the wound placement, may or may not matter with TFG model placement) to protect the HALF squad who have only 4+. They also lack any CC punch and have 12" guns without more points on top, so they can be super annoying, particularly with some good dice/bad dice, but I have a hard time seeing that as the new Must-Have-Death-Star.

Cheaper or more expensive does not change the fact that it makes no sense, whatsoever, to take character from everyone else (or everything similar) and leave it with 1 or 2 units. That is like saying All skimmers are skimmers except Necrons, theirs are fliers, the logic makes no sense.

And cost wise, the wolf guard might be cheaper but their longevity is nothing compared to the court AND why bother LOSing wounds from 1 wound models to 1 wound models who are probably rocking the same gear ANYWAYS. The royal courts have upwards of 10 differently geared (5 Lords/5 Crypteks) models and the option for attaching an HQ-IC so yeah, LOS benefits them when trying to keep one of the many specific models alive. (Lets keep in mind that a tactical marine is a tactical marine, different gear does not give you the ability to LOS wounds away simply because you were given a meltagun).

Again, the topic has been beaten to death and the topic has even gotten off topic, the Necrons 'can' abuse the LOS until GW sees fit to FAQ it, there really is no need to comment any more on the thread (though I am sure more deboggling will continue).

Necrons are crazy, The reason they didn't change them is because they all only have 1 wound. In most cases you can always make sure a lord it taking it
L L L
L C L
L L L
Lords will always take the hits without looking out.

The thing with the others and multiple wounds is that you would end up where each has a wound. Regardless of LOS, the lords would still be standing back up. LOS makes it a little easier but isn't a big deal.

 Jstncloud wrote:

Cheaper or more expensive does not change the fact that it makes no sense, whatsoever, to take character from everyone else (or everything similar) and leave it with 1 or 2 units. That is like saying All skimmers are skimmers except Necrons, theirs are fliers, the logic makes no sense.

I disagree at a base level, or perhaps you misunderstand my logic; I'm not sure. To over-simplify: all Grey Knights are Psychers while all other Space Marines are not; but Grey Knights cost more.
Then we have the Wolf Guard, who ALL have 2+/3++ (an so don't need to LOS! there wounds) for less Points than the Royal Court you mentioned, who can LOS! their wounds. To me it makes some sense that they have a (somewhat) unique advantage (from LOS!) in exchange for more points.

jegsar wrote:
Necrons are crazy, The reason they didn't change them is because they all only have 1 wound. In most cases you can always make sure a lord it taking it
L L L
L C L
L L L
Lords will always take the hits without looking out.

The thing with the others and multiple wounds is that you would end up where each has a wound. Regardless of LOS, the lords would still be standing back up. LOS makes it a little easier but isn't a big deal.

Wolf Guard have 1 wound....the reason they changed them is because...?


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NeoParn wrote:

 Jstncloud wrote:

Cheaper or more expensive does not change the fact that it makes no sense, whatsoever, to take character from everyone else (or everything similar) and leave it with 1 or 2 units. That is like saying All skimmers are skimmers except Necrons, theirs are fliers, the logic makes no sense.

I disagree at a base level, or perhaps you misunderstand my logic; I'm not sure. To over-simplify: all Grey Knights are Psychers while all other Space Marines are not; but Grey Knights cost more.
Then we have the Wolf Guard, who ALL have 2+/3++ (an so don't need to LOS! there wounds) for less Points than the Royal Court you mentioned, who can LOS! their wounds. To me it makes some sense that they have a (somewhat) unique advantage (from LOS!) in exchange for more points.

Uhm, if the wolf guard "all have 2+/3+" why would you need to LOS? At that point they are all the same (terminator armor/storm shields I presume). So how is that 'better than' the royal court? It isn't, why? Because the models are all basically the same. The Royal Court 'IS' better, why? Because the models 'are not the same' and the '2+/3+' gear on the Lords/Overlords can be used to keep the weak Crypteks alive and if a model goes down you have a 4+ to come back, basically, you have to dig through layers of saves and it is ridiculous.

Your point would have a place if the wolf guard really needed to protect models (which you might if you geared them differently, but the royal court still has 'more' to protect).

The 'ONLY' changes that make sense (with your logic) are nobs and paladins. They are 'two wound models' and allowing them to make whole units and LOS wounds is plain dumb, but the argument holds no weight for single wound models.

Again, this topic has been beaten to death, there is no need for further arguing/opinions that do not add to the topic "Can Royal Courts Do This." Royal Courts 'can', question has been answered, case closed.