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Didn't know PR wanted to join the "party". I wouldn't mind. Doubt I'd see any real change. Congress would probably just keep the flag as is due to overcrowding stars, being lazy and being afraid of change.
Huh. Apparently I would be living in Potawatomi. Wouldn't mind the name change. I'd be all "I live in Potawatomi!" and they'd all be "What?" and I'd explain and sound smart.
Fun aside, wanting to split due to differing political views makes sense but it also doesn't. Apparently rural Illinois (largely republican) is bothered by urban Illinois (Chicago mainly being Democrat) being the "deciding factor" in votes since there are apparently more democrats in the Chicago area than there are republicans in the rest of Illinois. I understand wanting to split to have a bit more weight in votes, like yesterday's election, and dealing with policies. However, this is literally kicking a city out of a state because the city happens to think differently from the countryside. I know states have split in the past but I'm sure it was for better reasons than because they think differently. I could be (and probably am) wrong though; whatever the justification may be.
If they can grant statehood to four more locations so it's an even 55, or make the stars on the flag work, then sure. But if not, then no way. I'm OCD like that-it's gotta match up and be neat. Sadly, I'm not kidding. I have nothing against PR. I have something against imbalance.
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Didn't know PR wanted to join the "party". I wouldn't mind. Doubt I'd see any real change. Congress would probably just keep the flag as is due to overcrowding stars, being lazy and being afraid of change.
Huh. Apparently I would be living in Potawatomi. Wouldn't mind the name change. I'd be all "I live in Potawatomi!" and they'd all be "What?" and I'd explain and sound smart.
Fun aside, wanting to split due to differing political views makes sense but it also doesn't. Apparently rural Illinois (largely republican) is bothered by urban Illinois (Chicago mainly being Democrat) being the "deciding factor" in votes since there are apparently more democrats in the Chicago area than there are republicans in the rest of Illinois. I understand wanting to split to have a bit more weight in votes, like yesterday's election, and dealing with policies. However, this is literally kicking a city out of a state because the city happens to think differently from the countryside. I know states have split in the past but I'm sure it was for better reasons than because they think differently. I could be (and probably am) wrong though; whatever the justification may be.
Dude... I don't know why, but a state called "Potawatomi" just seems all kinds of awesome.
As I understand it, electoral votes and representation at Congress are based on population. Kicking Chicago out of Illinois would only affect the Senate, surely?
Kilkrazy wrote: As I understand it, electoral votes and representation at Congress are based on population. Kicking Chicago out of Illinois would only affect the Senate, surely?
The Senate would have to expand by two for each State.
The Representative are based on districts and theoretically, the total number could stay the same (538).
Kilkrazy wrote: As I understand it, electoral votes and representation at Congress are based on population. Kicking Chicago out of Illinois would only affect the Senate, surely?
It really has more to do with state rather than national politics. The majority of Illinois feels like its being steam rolled by the city in the state legislature which affects thier day to day a lot more than the president.
I imagine there's some similar sentiment in Ohio, but to be frank I don't know that many buckeyes. At a guess I'd say Chicago politicians do thier business at the state level and Cleveland politicians content themselves at the city level, but again a guess.
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timetowaste85 wrote: If they can grant statehood to four more locations so it's an even 55, or make the stars on the flag work, then sure. But if not, then no way. I'm OCD like that-it's gotta match up and be neat. Sadly, I'm not kidding. I have nothing against PR. I have something against imbalance.
Naw we can get rid of the square organization of the stars and go to a circular formation(it looks wayyy better)
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Kilkrazy wrote: As I understand it, electoral votes and representation at Congress are based on population. Kicking Chicago out of Illinois would only affect the Senate, surely?
Well, it would actually give more power to the conservative countryside. Because Illlinois's electoral votes would be split between the 2 new states. Whereas before it was winner takes all, suddenly its more akin to the popular vote.
Frankly, I think the Electoral College needs to be scrapped. Its a relic from a time when you simply couldn't count all the popular votes fast enough to have the election have any meaning.
We should go to a straight popular vote.
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Kilkrazy wrote: As I understand it, electoral votes and representation at Congress are based on population. Kicking Chicago out of Illinois would only affect the Senate, surely?
House of Representatives is based on population.
Senate is 2 per state.
Electoral college is based on population plus 2 for each state. Roughly the same number as Representatives plus Senators.
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Frankly, I think the Electoral College needs to be scrapped. Its a relic from a time when you simply couldn't count all the popular votes fast enough to have the election have any meaning.
We should go to a straight popular vote.
Except that's not at all the rationale behind the Electoral College.
Kilkrazy wrote: As I understand it, electoral votes and representation at Congress are based on population. Kicking Chicago out of Illinois would only affect the Senate, surely?
House of Representatives is based on population.
Senate is 2 per state.
Electoral college is based on population plus 2 for each state. Roughly the same number as Representatives plus Senators.
Not roughly, exactly.
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Kilkrazy wrote: As I understand it, electoral votes and representation at Congress are based on population. Kicking Chicago out of Illinois would only affect the Senate, surely?
House of Representatives is based on population.
Senate is 2 per state.
Electoral college is based on population plus 2 for each state. Roughly the same number as Representatives plus Senators.
If by roughly you mean exactly the same (plus electoral 3 for DC), then yes.
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Kilkrazy wrote: As I understand it, electoral votes and representation at Congress are based on population. Kicking Chicago out of Illinois would only affect the Senate, surely?
Well, it would actually give more power to the conservative countryside. Because Illlinois's electoral votes would be split between the 2 new states. Whereas before it was winner takes all, suddenly its more akin to the popular vote.
Frankly, I think the Electoral College needs to be scrapped. Its a relic from a time when you simply couldn't count all the popular votes fast enough to have the election have any meaning.
We should go to a straight popular vote.
I'm down with that.
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Kilkrazy wrote: As I understand it, electoral votes and representation at Congress are based on population. Kicking Chicago out of Illinois would only affect the Senate, surely?
Well, it would actually give more power to the conservative countryside. Because Illlinois's electoral votes would be split between the 2 new states. Whereas before it was winner takes all, suddenly its more akin to the popular vote.
Frankly, I think the Electoral College needs to be scrapped. Its a relic from a time when you simply couldn't count all the popular votes fast enough to have the election have any meaning.
Kilkrazy wrote: As I understand it, electoral votes and representation at Congress are based on population. Kicking Chicago out of Illinois would only affect the Senate, surely?
House of Representatives is based on population.
Senate is 2 per state.
Electoral college is based on population plus 2 for each state. Roughly the same number as Representatives plus Senators.
Not roughly, exactly.
When I checked the math, I was missing 3. I forgot about DC.
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Kilkrazy wrote: As I understand it, electoral votes and representation at Congress are based on population. Kicking Chicago out of Illinois would only affect the Senate, surely?
House of Representatives is based on population.
Senate is 2 per state.
Electoral college is based on population plus 2 for each state. Roughly the same number as Representatives plus Senators.
Not roughly, exactly.
When I checked the math, I was missing 3. I forgot about DC.
Who frankly shouldn't have any.
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Kilkrazy wrote: As I understand it, electoral votes and representation at Congress are based on population. Kicking Chicago out of Illinois would only affect the Senate, surely?
Well, it would actually give more power to the conservative countryside. Because Illlinois's electoral votes would be split between the 2 new states. Whereas before it was winner takes all, suddenly its more akin to the popular vote.
Frankly, I think the Electoral College needs to be scrapped. Its a relic from a time when you simply couldn't count all the popular votes fast enough to have the election have any meaning.
We should go to a straight popular vote.
I think you should have something closer to the Westminster system, and I'm not even trolling. You'd still have a bicameral parliament (so two houses, as is the case now), but you'd have a Leader of the Opposition, and the head of government would be decided by which party has the most seats in parliament, as opposed to a straight national popularity contest. It would give other parties a chance at representation (something a lot of you guys seem to complain about a lack of), if nothing else.
Plus, you'd get President's Questions on telly! Imagine!
Puerto Rico did not vote for statehood 63% of 54% of the population voted for statehood. I.E. - 34% of the population if I understand the results and ballot correctly. I suspect this was intentionally done to obfuscate the real result and make the number seem greater than it really is.
Regarding splitting states, ever hear of redistricting?
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Redistricting is a tool the Democrats and Republicans use to try to stack the deck more in their favor. Splitting a state apart requires votes at the State level and then again at the Federal level that simply aren't there.
I think it'd be great to have a new state in the union.
Speaking of statehood... has anyone heard of Illinois wanting to split up? (I'm assuming North vs Southern).
I'm for it if it has benefits for all concerned with minimal mayhem. I was down there during one of the statehood votes and it was extremely heated with people being killed with myself almost being added to the talley. From what I read it was a slim minority that voted for statehood, and if it was anything like the time I witnessed, I'd hold off on the celebrations.
timetowaste85 wrote: If they can grant statehood to four more locations so it's an even 55, or make the stars on the flag work, then sure. But if not, then no way. I'm OCD like that-it's gotta match up and be neat. Sadly, I'm not kidding. I have nothing against PR. I have something against imbalance.
It's even, harkens back to your original flag, and looks pretty too.
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chaos0xomega wrote: Puerto Rico did not vote for statehood 63% of 54% of the population voted for statehood. I.E. - 34% of the population if I understand the results and ballot correctly. I suspect this was intentionally done to obfuscate the real result and make the number seem greater than it really is.
Regarding splitting states, ever hear of redistricting?
It is the same in any democratic vote, however "Churchill, etc".
West Virginia was split from Virginia early in the ACW for political reasons, though the circumstances were exceptional, of course.
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I'd be all "I live in Potawatomi!" and they'd all be "What?" and I'd explain and sound smart.
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