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And Sigvatr's advice is still the best. Not to get his house burned but the tabletop scene near Heidelberg warned.

 Enigwolf wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Post all information you have at /tg/ along with cross-posting on /b/.

I am serious here. A week ago, someone in New Zealand was able to retrieve his truck that has been loaned and not returned. People tracked the guy who stole it down, shot photos from the truck and the owner had it returned. There also are a lot of Germans active on these boards.

I am not assuring you it will work. I am not responsible for any consequences - we had bad examples in the past in regards to the evil-doer.

Best of luck!

As an ebay seller who is potentially concerned about this happening to me, what exactly is /tg/ and /b/?

Tg is the wargame/rpg subsection of the deepest pit of the internet, the place where perdition and debauchery are assured: 4chan!

To the OP: hope you will have justice. I will keep an eye open but I doubt the army will ever show up where i live...

My expeience with eBay and a scammer recently:

Sellers contacted me to warn me that someone I sold a Steelbook to had filed a Not Received claim against 12 of them. eBay sided with the buyer in every case, as their system does not track patterns or fraud risks with buyers, it seems.

I complained. No good. I did some background checking on him, as someone mentioned he'd also been scamming the retailer I work for. Looked into the systems, sure enough, Item Not Received topping out at 25% of the items he ever bought. Anything over £25.

I posted publicly on eBay.co.uk's Facebook page, leaving enough info to get their attention but being very careful to NOT mention the buyer's name or username. If you do this they have to delete the comment for fear of libel litigation.

End result? eBay customer service: nothing. eBay Facebook team? Got in touch with me within hours, and had looked into and closed the case in my favour within 24 hours. An actual human had checked into my claims, noticed the patterns reported and also refunded all the other sellers scammed by this guy. I kept all my dealings with them and comments civil, polite and constructive.

Give it a go - post on an eBay Facebook page, don't name any names, but get someone to look into it. If you have no success I can try messaging the eBay contact who messaged me, but as they work for .co.uk it probably won't be much use to you.

Good luck man.

 punkow wrote:

 Enigwolf wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Post all information you have at /tg/ along with cross-posting on /b/.

I am serious here. A week ago, someone in New Zealand was able to retrieve his truck that has been loaned and not returned. People tracked the guy who stole it down, shot photos from the truck and the owner had it returned. There also are a lot of Germans active on these boards.

I am not assuring you it will work. I am not responsible for any consequences - we had bad examples in the past in regards to the evil-doer.

Best of luck!

As an ebay seller who is potentially concerned about this happening to me, what exactly is /tg/ and /b/?

Tg is the wargame/rpg subsection of the deepest pit of the internet, the place where perdition and debauchery are assured: 4chan!

or 7chan or any number of the old school BBS style boards - but yes...deep, dark and disturbing. Makes Frothers look like a bunch of primary school girls.

Stay away from /b/ it is not your friend; and there are some things that you just cannot un-see.

 azazel the cat wrote:
Stay away from /b/ it is not your friend; and there are some things that you just cannot un-see.

Weak words haha, /b/ isnt anywhere near as big and dark as it was a few years back. Too many kids thinking "hur dur im anon-e-mouse" thats its mostly newbies who cant do a whole lot and think posting a few words of racist profanity is the highlight of the site

Could you please edit your post so as to remove the term "new****"? I would appreciate it.

 azazel the cat wrote:
Could you please edit your post so as to remove the term "new****"? I would appreciate it.

Done and apologies ^^ surprised the dakka filter didnt kick in :O

Honestly, after the guy's actions, I'm surprised nobody (with legal know how to get around eBay) has thought to safely scam this guy back and pass the army on to the OP. or for the OP to get a new eBay account and nail this guy back.

Just a small heads-up:

The guy is a respectet seller on ebay. Talked with 3 people who bought stuff from him and they were fully satisfied. They received their stuff after a few days and praised that it was "carefully packaged", two of them ordered larger armies too and even had protective foam in their box to keep the content safe.

That's about what I could gather. I do not want to make the impression that I side with him, I do not want to take any side on this matter at all. It's just another small tidbit of info I wanted to share with you guys.

The only advice I can give you is the one I gave you a few posts before and to try to get someone help you with taking legal action regarding this matter. Try to get some legal advice and send him another e-mail / letter giving him ample time to reply (about 1-2 weeks is appropriate). If he does not react, you need to take legal action, it's your very last opportunity.

I will admit that I have not read through the pages of this thread however the inital post is all the OP needs to get his money back.

Paypal or Ebay (whoever issued the refund to the buyer) provides the buyer with an address to send the items too.
If Ebay or Paypal has given the wrong address or admitted its the wrong address then they and they alone are soley and wholly liable for the refund.
Also a refund is never issued until receipt of the returned goods is confirmed so im puzzled as to how you have ended up in this situation.

GBDarkAngel wrote:
I will admit that I have not read through the pages of this thread however the inital post is all the OP needs to get his money back.

Paypal or Ebay (whoever issued the refund to the buyer) provides the buyer with an address to send the items too.
If Ebay or Paypal has given the wrong address or admitted its the wrong address then they and they alone are soley and wholly liable for the refund.
Also a refund is never issued until receipt of the returned goods is confirmed so im puzzled as to how you have ended up in this situation.

Sending the item back it is not a requirement for them to get a refund. Normally a buyer is supposed communicate with the seller to resolve the issue but they can just oopen a dispute straight away and say "the item wasn't as described" or "didn't arrive" and they usually get their money back instantly whether or not they send the item back or try to let the seller resolve the issue. My brother sold a NIB iphone 4 a while back and the buyer said "It wasn't as described" and got his money back and never sent the phone back. Not to mention paypal accused my brother of stealing the phone even though he sent them receipts with the serial numbers. They held his money from other sales for 6 months. I would never use paypal or ebay to sell big ticket items as it is way too easy for someone to scam you. You can find tons of seller horror stories on line.

I'm sure if ebay/paypal wanted to they could easily look into these and uncover scammers but even if someone is repeatedly scamming sellers, ebay/paypal still gets their money from the transaction, the only loser is the little guy. So theres isn't a huge incentive for them to spend a large amount of resources to help sellers. And thats just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to ebay/paypals mistreatment of its sellers.

keisukekun wrote:

GBDarkAngel wrote:
I will admit that I have not read through the pages of this thread however the inital post is all the OP needs to get his money back.

Paypal or Ebay (whoever issued the refund to the buyer) provides the buyer with an address to send the items too.
If Ebay or Paypal has given the wrong address or admitted its the wrong address then they and they alone are soley and wholly liable for the refund.
Also a refund is never issued until receipt of the returned goods is confirmed so im puzzled as to how you have ended up in this situation.

Sending the item back it is not a requirement for them to get a refund. Normally a buyer is supposed communicate with the seller to resolve the issue but they can just oopen a dispute straight away and say "the item wasn't as described" or "didn't arrive" and they usually get their money back instantly whether or not they send the item back or try to let the seller resolve the issue. My brother sold a NIB iphone 4 a while back and the buyer said "It wasn't as described" and got his money back and never sent the phone back. Not to mention paypal accused my brother of stealing the phone even though he sent them receipts with the serial numbers. They held his money from other sales for 6 months. I would never use paypal or ebay to sell big ticket items as it is way too easy for someone to scam you. You can find tons of seller horror stories on line.

I'm sure if ebay/paypal wanted to they could easily look into these and uncover scammers but even if someone is repeatedly scamming sellers, ebay/paypal still gets their money from the transaction, the only loser is the little guy. So theres isn't a huge incentive for them to spend a large amount of resources to help sellers. And thats just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to ebay/paypals mistreatment of its sellers.

I beg to differ. Its part of the Resolution Centre Process.
You go through all the inital statements, paypal then makes a ruling and if a refund is given then Paypal supplies a Name, Address and Post code for the Items to be returned.
Only when the items are returned is the refund given.
If you want to see this in action I am more than happy to buy that box of models off you for $5 that will be emtpy and ask for a refund. We will go through all the motions and you will see how it works.
I honestly cannot see Paypal UK and USA working differently on this.

eBay and PayPal side with the buyer 99.99% of the time but I am going to dispute this with my bank as I have repeatedly talked to eBay and PayPal with no luck in the dispute.

sorry to hear about that mate, thats sucks big time

 azazel the cat wrote:
Stay away from /b/ it is not your friend; and there are some things that you just cannot un-see.

Actually im a little lost here please explain

 master of ordinance wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:
Stay away from /b/ it is not your friend; and there are some things that you just cannot un-see.

Actually im a little lost here please explain

/b is a subforum of an online image board without much in the way of limits. No where NEAR as bad as it used to be, but somethings DO occasionally still surface that makes things like (NSFW and you may vomit) Tubgirl, or the better know 2girls1cup seem positively tame in comparison.

/tg/ is a section on 4chan that's focused around board / tabletop games. There's a lot of piracy pdf stuff there that's not going to be discussed, but you also get nice threads / posts sometimes.

Never ever visit /b/. Like, really. Don't.

Or just dont generally i think would be the best advice if in doubt

doc1234 wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:
Stay away from /b/ it is not your friend; and there are some things that you just cannot un-see.

Actually im a little lost here please explain

/b is a subforum of an online image board without much in the way of limits. No where NEAR as bad as it used to be, but somethings DO occasionally still surface that makes things like (NSFW and you may vomit) Tubgirl, or the better know 2girls1cup seem positively tame in comparison.

Sigvatr wrote:/tg/ is a section on 4chan that's focused around board / tabletop games. There's a lot of piracy pdf stuff there that's not going to be discussed, but you also get nice threads / posts sometimes.

Never ever visit /b/. Like, really. Don't.

I will do my best not too although my curiosity is now sadly pipqued..... I must be careful lest i find myself inadvertantly taking a trip there

 master of ordinance wrote:

doc1234 wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:
Stay away from /b/ it is not your friend; and there are some things that you just cannot un-see.

Actually im a little lost here please explain

/b is a subforum of an online image board without much in the way of limits. No where NEAR as bad as it used to be, but somethings DO occasionally still surface that makes things like (NSFW and you may vomit) Tubgirl, or the better know 2girls1cup seem positively tame in comparison.

Sigvatr wrote:/tg/ is a section on 4chan that's focused around board / tabletop games. There's a lot of piracy pdf stuff there that's not going to be discussed, but you also get nice threads / posts sometimes.

Never ever visit /b/. Like, really. Don't.

I will do my best not too although my curiosity is now sadly pipqued..... I must be careful lest i find myself inadvertantly taking a trip there

Just remember that they are not your private army.

CainTheHunter wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:

doc1234 wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:
Stay away from /b/ it is not your friend; and there are some things that you just cannot un-see.

Actually im a little lost here please explain

/b is a subforum of an online image board without much in the way of limits. No where NEAR as bad as it used to be, but somethings DO occasionally still surface that makes things like (NSFW and you may vomit) Tubgirl, or the better know 2girls1cup seem positively tame in comparison.

Sigvatr wrote:/tg/ is a section on 4chan that's focused around board / tabletop games. There's a lot of piracy pdf stuff there that's not going to be discussed, but you also get nice threads / posts sometimes.

Never ever visit /b/. Like, really. Don't.

I will do my best not too although my curiosity is now sadly pipqued..... I must be careful lest i find myself inadvertantly taking a trip there

Just remember that they are not your private army.

Shame to hear about this.. and a good lookin' army that was..
But i can see the reason why so many aint doing Refunds on Ebay these days.

 master of ordinance wrote:

CainTheHunter wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:

doc1234 wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:
Stay away from /b/ it is not your friend; and there are some things that you just cannot un-see.

Actually im a little lost here please explain

/b is a subforum of an online image board without much in the way of limits. No where NEAR as bad as it used to be, but somethings DO occasionally still surface that makes things like (NSFW and you may vomit) Tubgirl, or the better know 2girls1cup seem positively tame in comparison.

Sigvatr wrote:/tg/ is a section on 4chan that's focused around board / tabletop games. There's a lot of piracy pdf stuff there that's not going to be discussed, but you also get nice threads / posts sometimes.

Never ever visit /b/. Like, really. Don't.

I will do my best not too although my curiosity is now sadly pipqued..... I must be careful lest i find myself inadvertantly taking a trip there

Just remember that they are not your private army.

Old "saying" about the place, basically dont try and mobilize them to some cause or go there expecting sympathy of any kind. Logic and human decency is generally left at the door.

Recommend though this gets taken to another thread or something though, getting a good bit off topic and doubt the mods will like /b/ talk more than is necessary haha

 master of ordinance wrote:

Spoiler:

CainTheHunter wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:

doc1234 wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:
Stay away from /b/ it is not your friend; and there are some things that you just cannot un-see.

Actually im a little lost here please explain

/b is a subforum of an online image board without much in the way of limits. No where NEAR as bad as it used to be, but somethings DO occasionally still surface that makes things like (NSFW and you may vomit) Tubgirl, or the better know 2girls1cup seem positively tame in comparison.

Sigvatr wrote:/tg/ is a section on 4chan that's focused around board / tabletop games. There's a lot of piracy pdf stuff there that's not going to be discussed, but you also get nice threads / posts sometimes.

Never ever visit /b/. Like, really. Don't.

I will do my best not too although my curiosity is now sadly pipqued..... I must be careful lest i find myself inadvertantly taking a trip there

Just remember that they are not your private army.

It's one of the rules of the internet... like rule 34 and what not... Though to be fair, the specific boards on 4chan are very useful when looking for information and don't want to sign up for a website lol. To put it like one person I talked to on 4chan, "/b/ is the board you go to until you find the board that interests you." So it's kind of like the off topic forum, dakka discussions, and the intro forums, users may hang out in these places until they find their board on dakka that they like to visit the most.

It's a bit offtopic, but, guys, please, stop with those full quotes :/

Topic, please.

Hello,
I am joe pepper. I bought the lamenters army from the seller thehod007 at ebay last year in november.
At first I will say that I will never ever steal another guys army. I am a respected seller and buyer in ebay for many years and I love the tabletop hobby too much to do something like that!

I will tell you the story from my view:

At November the 12th I went to the taxstation in Heidelberg / Germany to pick up the package.
At home I opended the package and became angry. Many item were broken and at some parts the color was gazed. Also parts of the tanks were repaired badly. You can see the gluedots!
In the description of the army thehod007 did nothing say about that.
The items were packed really bad and it seems, that the hod007 did not care how the items will arrive…
I am selling tabletop items for many years and know how to make up an airmail packet. And that packet was really bad!!!

After that thehod suggested a nonserious solution outside of ebay. I became very suspicious and had a phone with ebay. They told me to open a case and not to react to such a nonserious offer.
And then I went the official way ebay told me.
I send the items back to the address ebay gave me:

*snip*

Here are the Tracking numbers. The DHL tracking numer is for Europe and the USPS tracking number ist for the USA:

First one from DHL: 350082606645

Second one from USPS: CL722368017DE

Some weeks later thehod007 took revenge. He manipulates an ebay auction from me. At the end that cost quite some time, nerves and once again 350 dollars because I did not receive back the shipping costs and the tax. And the manipulated ebay auction cost me another 60 dollars!!!
If this was a wrong address and the packet will return to me I will inform the seller and send it to the address he gave to me.

And now you know the story from my view!!!
You can ask yourself the question if it is fair to call me a thief , manipulate my ebay auctions and distribute my name and address in the internet.

Best Regards,
Joe

Thank you for coming here to respond, I don't think putting his details up publicly is any better than someone putting yours up so please edit your post.

Did you take any photographs of the damage? The poor packaging? I know if I'd have paid that amount of money and something that badly packed and heavily damaged, I'd have taken pictures in advance of any further steps, as evidence of the incident.

I live in Port Saint Lucie and have had all my mail forwarded to my place. Even if it was sent to my old place, I have my ex-roommate currently living there who would pick it up for me. I finally called the post office in Orlando responsible for my parcel and they did not have any packages for me.

All ebay or paypal requires is just a tracking number and he could have sent something as simple as a letter and just used the tracking number. I have researched this subject and many people have been scammed and even to the point of getting in return an empty box.

As to the damage, I contested that I cannot be responsible for damage incurred by shipping overseas and anything can happen he only showed me the pictures and told me I had 10 days to come up with an offer. I offered him $350 as a reimbursement to cover the damages and he accepted the offer. Only to open a case anyways and proved to me that he not trustworthy.