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Knowledge of warfare helps you more in dating than 40k.

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I'd say a general knowledge of tactics and strategy are important. How you gain this knowledge isn't really material. You could learn it from a friend, reviewing old wars or simply reading wikipedia.

Many basic concepts of war apply to the table top such as proper positioning, fire lanes, cover usage, overlapping unit support and overwhelming force.

Other concepts like logistical support obviously have no impact.

In this thread there have been several people claiming that due to the dependence on dice that tactics and strategy don't play in the game. That's completely untrue.

Tactics, in a 40k setting, boils down to what a particular unit is going to do on their turn. Strategy is the overall goal of the entire army during the game. If you have an objective game but your strategy doesn't allow for claiming or denying objectives then you will lose. If you have a unit 6" away from an unclaimed objective at the bottom of turn 5 and decide to charge an enemy further away then you'll lose more often than not due to bad tactics. (Review the charge of the Light Horse brigade)

You might call that common sense; however, the real world terms are more appropriate.

Going along with other known military doctrines:

If you have no idea what your opponents army can do then you will not be able to properly counter it and you will lose. This is analogous with using Military Intelligence.

Further, certain military formations might also be helpful. Such as the Flying Wedge. We often call this "bubble wrapping", but it's the same thing. Protecting a center while providing the best fire and assault arcs available. It's further interesting in how it can cause a gun line to roll up around an assaulting unit. Especially helpful if an objective is behind the line and you have two units involved. The first to pull the gun line out the second to run past them.

Point is, don't discount 2000+ years of warfare simply because you think it might not apply. Some of it most certainly does.

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Chess : Military Tactics :: Wargaming : Military Tactics

In chess, Military Tactics confer little or no advantage to a player. The two, although similar, simply don't require the same skills.

In wargaming, everything is (roughly) mathematically fair.

For instance:

Unit a and unit b are fighting in cc. (lets assume that unit a is half the strength of unit b) without any outside interaction unit b would win a landslide victory. However, consider this: unit c is charging unit b from behind (units a & c are of course from the same army and are about the same strenth). If this were a real battle unit b would be preoccupied fighting unit a and would be killed like pigs in a slaughterhouse by the charge from behind. however in a game of 40k for instance unit c would gain no advantage over unit b because of their charge from behind.(other than the regular charging benefits that they usually get) the battle would then be decided by the dice gods. This mathematical fairness is the main difference between wargaming and actual battle.

that isn't to say that Military Tactics/history have no influence over each other. in fact without my prior interest in roman military, I probably wouldn't have started playing 40k.


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I learned something from my grandfather in WW2 that actually worked.

They entered a town taking some fire and they hid in a villa. He picked up the phone and said, "hello hello." just screwing around. A voice on the other end answered w/ a German accent and asked, "Who is this?" and, "He said an American soldier.". They said, "This is the German commander and we want to surrender.". He said, "Captain phone and its for you." and handed the phone to his Captain ---- The Germans surrendered.

Well I decided to just ask my opponents at the start of my games if they wanted to surrender and I have gotten 2 yes answers so far(1 in a tourney b/c the Orcs didn't think they could beat my GKs - I don't know why he would not even try to win but I was good with it), so the moral of the story always ask for a surrender they may just want to.

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That is pure awesome

I can't imagine ever not playing a game. There is always a way.

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Mythra wrote:
Well I decided to just ask my opponents at the start of my games if they wanted to surrender and I have gotten 2 yes answers so far(1 in a tourney b/c the Orcs didn't think they could beat my GKs - I don't know why he would not even try to win but I was good with it), so the moral of the story always ask for a surrender they may just want to.


A warboss surrenderin a fight? And to humies no less? Dat's jus sad dat is.

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 Boggy Man wrote:
Mythra wrote:
Well I decided to just ask my opponents at the start of my games if they wanted to surrender and I have gotten 2 yes answers so far(1 in a tourney b/c the Orcs didn't think they could beat my GKs - I don't know why he would not even try to win but I was good with it), so the moral of the story always ask for a surrender they may just want to.


A warboss surrenderin a fight? And to humies no less? Dat's jus sad dat is.


Maybe he was a smallun?

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For me personally, the basic ideas within the historical battles and such are what have helped me, not so much the thing as a whole.

   
 
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