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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/01 03:40:05
Subject: Kickstarter for Inferno, a Hell Dorado expansion announced by Cipher Studios
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Warning From Magnus? Not Listening!
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This seems to be moving along pretty slowly, hopefully it will open up once we hit the 45k stretch.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/01 04:31:05
Subject: Kickstarter for Inferno, a Hell Dorado expansion announced by Cipher Studios
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Stabbin' Skarboy
Dirty Jersey
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i don't think its going too slow with three weeks to go it still has lots of potential in a time where kickstarters are coming out of the woodwork. Though i strongly agree that once 45k hits that it may pick up speed substantially especially when people can pledge high and trade in to tailor a force they are looking for all at once.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/01 05:45:42
Subject: Kickstarter for Inferno, a Hell Dorado expansion announced by Cipher Studios
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Unstoppable Bloodthirster of Khorne
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I finally decided to take the plunge on this yesterday. I've always really liked their models and picked up a few over the years, but the ability to trade the books in simply and easily for other loot is what helped me press the big green button.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/01 06:01:11
Subject: Kickstarter for Inferno, a Hell Dorado expansion announced by Cipher Studios
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Expendable Defender Destroid Rookie
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Yeah. In at the double hell gate level and I have to say, once the core models get added at 45k, I might just trade in 2 books and 2 starters so I can get 2 complete forces done in one fell swoop. I'm thinking demons and lost.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/01 13:02:24
Subject: Kickstarter for Inferno, a Hell Dorado expansion announced by Cipher Studios
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Stabbin' Skarboy
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i have saracens and lost, think i will pick up demon starter and trade in a few things to bulk out those forces. I may even add a bit to pick up a few limited editions. The models are fantastic and the game is a lot of fun also
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/01 13:50:49
Subject: Kickstarter for Inferno, a Hell Dorado expansion announced by Cipher Studios
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[DCM]
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Azazelx wrote:I finally decided to take the plunge on this yesterday. I've always really liked their models and picked up a few over the years, but the ability to trade the books in simply and easily for other loot is what helped me press the big green button.
Remember your New Year's Resolution for 2013 - no more threatening to pull your pledges anymore!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/01 23:25:14
Subject: Re:Kickstarter for Inferno, a Hell Dorado expansion announced by Cipher Studios
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/02 09:15:55
Subject: Kickstarter for Inferno, a Hell Dorado expansion announced by Cipher Studios
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Unstoppable Bloodthirster of Khorne
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Alpharius wrote: Azazelx wrote:I finally decided to take the plunge on this yesterday. I've always really liked their models and picked up a few over the years, but the ability to trade the books in simply and easily for other loot is what helped me press the big green button.
Remember your New Year's Resolution for 2013 - no more threatening to pull your pledges anymore! 
I'm only going to back Kickstarters that I really really want now - that look like they'll deliver. No more "ah yeah, that looks pretty good, why not?" or "I like this guy and am going to pledge on stuff I don't really want/need to support his range" from me!
Though if people keep doing the CMON early bird thing, I might have to back early and pull out on borderline projects.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/02 12:10:19
Subject: Kickstarter for Inferno, a Hell Dorado expansion announced by Cipher Studios
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[DCM]
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All kidding aside - I'm with you in 2013 on this!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/03 20:21:14
Subject: Kickstarter for Inferno, a Hell Dorado expansion announced by Cipher Studios
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Unstoppable Bloodthirster of Khorne
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The latest stretch goal for this was pretty awesome. It unlocked the ability to buy items as add-ons through the KS that are already available at retail!
I haven't checked the prices against retailers yet, but I imagine they're close to RRP. I guess the "benefits" are that you can use trade-in credit, and it's covered by the KS shipping. Still, it feels like something that should have just been added, rather than an actual stretch, as it's not like a new sculpt or anything...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/03 20:50:39
Subject: Re:Kickstarter for Inferno, a Hell Dorado expansion announced by Cipher Studios
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Regular Dakkanaut
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The 45k stretch goal was added mainly because the backers that are veteran fans wanted cards for the base book profiles and ability to trade the starters for other minis (including old ones) to round out their collections. Trade in prices for these are at between 15 and 20% off their MSRPs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/04 05:20:40
Subject: Re:Kickstarter for Inferno, a Hell Dorado expansion announced by Cipher Studios
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Regular Dakkanaut
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$20 for a 150 card core deck seems like a pretty awesome deal.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/04 06:20:07
Subject: Kickstarter for Inferno, a Hell Dorado expansion announced by Cipher Studios
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Unstoppable Bloodthirster of Khorne
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I've never played Helldorado. Please tell me more about these cards and how they work in the game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/04 15:10:06
Subject: Kickstarter for Inferno, a Hell Dorado expansion announced by Cipher Studios
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Dakka Veteran
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Question:
Do you need the "faction starters" to play that faction, or are those just some suggested models.
Example: I like demons, and their models, but don't really like any of the models in their faction starter.
Thanks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/04 15:25:16
Subject: Kickstarter for Inferno, a Hell Dorado expansion announced by Cipher Studios
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Expendable Defender Destroid Rookie
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From what I gather, no. The starters are just an economical way to get 100 pts of an army, which are typically 200 pts.
As for the cards, they are just a means to easily track the special abilities and stats of each individual unit on the field.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/04 17:26:13
Subject: Re:Kickstarter for Inferno, a Hell Dorado expansion announced by Cipher Studios
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I like this. maybe he will give Bran Carnoth a run for my favorite officer.
Quetzalcoatl
Savior of the Nahuatl
Lost Officer
The being now known as Queztalcoatl was once an Aztec. His origin and station in society have long since been forgotten. In 1519 when Cortes was rampaging through Aztec lands, Queztalcoatl found a strange portal in the caves near his village. After showing the other villagers and some scouting of the other side of the portal that had mysteriously appeared in the rock, the villagers decided that this was a portal to Mictlan, the underworld. Quetzalcoatl became convinced that the gods had opened the portal to provide the Aztecs with an escape from the foreign invaders that threatened their way of life. He and the majority of the other villagers decided to withdraw to Mictlan in an attempt to preserve and protect the Aztec’s way of life. The rest of the villagers where sacrificed to show the villagers thanks to the gods for bestowing such a gift upon them. Hell has had its twisting effects on the Aztecs and all that remains of the villagers now is a group of simian Lost tribes, with hazy memories of being human, who revere Queztalcoatl as a quasi-deity and their leader.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/05 10:10:53
Subject: Re:Kickstarter for Inferno, a Hell Dorado expansion announced by Cipher Studios
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/05 13:57:56
Subject: Kickstarter for Inferno, a Hell Dorado expansion announced by Cipher Studios
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Dakka Veteran
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Hoping we'll get an option to swap the Inferno deck for the core deck at the double-hell level.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/05 20:51:48
Subject: Kickstarter for Inferno, a Hell Dorado expansion announced by Cipher Studios
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Crazed Wardancer
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I'm currently not a backer and I have looked around for an answer but I have not found one; is there a limit on how many things you can exchange? If not, seems like the Double Hellgate backer level could be used to get one set of the rules and about all the minis for one faction. Would it be abusing the system/jerkish thing to do if one uses the current exchange system for that? It seems like a great deal but against the spirit of what kickstarters should be for.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/05 20:58:40
Subject: Kickstarter for Inferno, a Hell Dorado expansion announced by Cipher Studios
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Dakka Veteran
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kilcin wrote:I'm currently not a backer and I have looked around for an answer but I have not found one; is there a limit on how many things you can exchange? If not, seems like the Double Hellgate backer level could be used to get one set of the rules and about all the minis for one faction. Would it be abusing the system/jerkish thing to do if one uses the current exchange system for that? It seems like a great deal but against the spirit of what kickstarters should be for.
Models are models, if you're giving them money, they want you to get what you're after, that's why the trade-in system exists and why this KS is working.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/05 21:12:16
Subject: Kickstarter for Inferno, a Hell Dorado expansion announced by Cipher Studios
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Regular Dakkanaut
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kilcin wrote:I'm currently not a backer and I have looked around for an answer but I have not found one; is there a limit on how many things you can exchange? If not, seems like the Double Hellgate backer level could be used to get one set of the rules and about all the minis for one faction. Would it be abusing the system/jerkish thing to do if one uses the current exchange system for that? It seems like a great deal but against the spirit of what kickstarters should be for.
I think that is the point and why cipher has made all models available so people can bulk up on 1 or 2 factions. I am getting double hellgate and trading in all my starters and 1/2 my books so $180 trade in value. It is an awesome deal because the starters are retail trade in value and most of the miniatures are 20 to 30% off retail.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/06 02:18:39
Subject: Kickstarter for Inferno, a Hell Dorado expansion announced by Cipher Studios
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Fixture of Dakka
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kilcin wrote:I'm currently not a backer and I have looked around for an answer but I have not found one; is there a limit on how many things you can exchange? If not, seems like the Double Hellgate backer level could be used to get one set of the rules and about all the minis for one faction. Would it be abusing the system/jerkish thing to do if one uses the current exchange system for that? It seems like a great deal but against the spirit of what kickstarters should be for.
Get what you want to. it is a great deal all around. The idea here is to fund the expansion.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/07 01:20:25
Subject: Re:Kickstarter for Inferno, a Hell Dorado expansion announced by Cipher Studios
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Michael Legatus
Brilliant Commander
Westerners
Officer
Michael Legatus appeared seemingly out of nowhere in New Jerusalem some months ago. In the short time he has resided there he has built a storied reputation as a commander of men. His understanding of strategy and tactics is remarkable and brilliant. He tends to put the survival of those under his command at the top of his list of priorities so there is no shortage of troops eager to serve in his units. While Legatus is ostensibly a Catholic, many have commented that he does not seem to pay much reverence to the Church, though his knowledge of the bible is uncanny at times. When queried about his origins Legatus states that he has journeyed to Hell to help protect believers and is merely doing Gods will, and that all else before that matters little. New Jerusalem is filled with men who are looking to leave their past behind so this type of story is not uncommon. Most people assume Legatus is of noble stock due to the quality of his weapons and equipment, and general disdain for money.
Something I dug up online after Steven from the KS mentioned it.
As the only angel in the bible to which the title "archangel" was applied, St. Michael has functioned as God's legate, or official emissary, since the dawn of time. Created as a being in the lowest rank of angels, Michael's place was almost at once exalted because it was he who cast down from heaven Satan and the other angels who's sin of pride lost them the sight of God.
Even his name proclaims his function in heaven. Michael means, "Who is as God?" At a time when all angels were being tested of their merit before God, Michael demonstrated his extraordinary zeal for not only the glory of God, but for the salvation of all angels during Satan's rebellion. For this, the Church has always referred to him as princeps militiae caelestis, the prince of heavenly hosts.
In Old Testament times, it was Michael who was the zealous defender of the Israelites. First defending heaven against Satan and his legions, Michael went on to defend all of God's people against their enemies, enemies often inspired by or in league with Satan on earth. It has become accepted that Michael is the Malakh Yahweh, The Angel of the Lord, who appears throughout the Old Testament. This would indeed be consistent with Michael's role as the legate of God to God's own people.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/07 20:43:31
Subject: Re:Kickstarter for Inferno, a Hell Dorado expansion announced by Cipher Studios
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Nasser abd er Rahman
The Magnificent
Saracens
Officer
Nasser headed up one of the Saracen companies deployed to Hell in the search for the gate to Heaven. He has seen extensive action against demonic legions and has seen many of the wonders and horrors of the underworld. After finding the carpet he now utilizes as a mount he has become more and more headstrong and independent. He has seen that it would be more effective to search for the gate with small parties of elite men. Nasser knows that trying to conquer Hell is a fools’ errand, since the land isn’t worth holding and its denizens are essentially without number. This of course puts him somewhat at odds with the people he reports to in the empire, but he is a deft political operator and has yet to suffer for his radical views.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/13 19:19:20
Subject: Kickstarter for Inferno, a Hell Dorado expansion announced by Cipher Studios
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Houston, TX
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squall018 wrote:This seems to be moving along pretty slowly, hopefully it will open up once we hit the 45k stretch.
Almost all of the add ons look really poorly priced. They are more expensive than what you can already buy the figures for now from Miniature Market or another discounter.
If the guys buying from Cipher can sell a Damned of Gluttony for $22.49 and make a profit, why is Cipher, who doesnt have any middle man markup, selling it for $26? And if Mini Market has to buy it from a distributor, who buys it from Cipher, that's another level of markup. And that's assuming you get it now, rather than waiting til the target ship date of July for the expansion.
Other than the limited editions, there doesnt seem much reason to pump any more money in this one. Am I missing something obvious?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/13 20:12:49
Subject: Kickstarter for Inferno, a Hell Dorado expansion announced by Cipher Studios
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Expendable Defender Destroid Rookie
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I think the prices are worthwhile when you are using trade-in credit on the Hell Gate/ Double Hell Gate levels. If you pile on the most discounted items, then the pledge levels will bring that discount into a lot more of a value proposition.
The most discounted minis are...
Guillaume de Sable KS: $10 RRP: $14.99
Husaym al Din: KD $12 RRP: $19.99
Andre de Montbard: KS: $9 RRP: $14.99
Damned Ones of Pride: KS: $21 RRP: $26.99
Augustinus Raimond: KS: $10 RRP: $14.99
Now, these are about what you can pay at discount retailers, but saving on shipping can be a big deal, plus, if you're using trade-in credit from starters and books, these work out to be a pretty decent deal.
Right now, if you pledge Double Hell Gate, $180, and you get 1 of each book (let's assume about $30 from a discount retailer) you'll be getting around 18-19 blisters of minis (some of which will have 2-3) for ~$6 a piece! This also assumes trading in all starters.
For single Hell Gate: Keeping both books (approx $30 value a piece), you'll be getting about 6-7 blisters for $40! Again, this assumes trading the starters.
Not a bad deal, when you add in 1-2 decks of Inferno cards.
Otherwise, if you're just looking to add singles, it could be worthwhile to save on shipping in the US, but there are a lot of great places to get them outside the KS.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/13 20:33:08
Subject: Re:Kickstarter for Inferno, a Hell Dorado expansion announced by Cipher Studios
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Is what my pledge looks like
Double Hellgate $180
Keeping
2x Inferno deck $30
1x Inferno Rulebook $30
2x Limited edition Figuring $35
2x exclusive KS miniature $30
2x Art Print ???
2x Dice $10
$135 + 2 art prints
Trading
4x starter packs $120
2x core book $60
1x Inferno Book $30
Total trade in $210
Marcus Leblance $12
Inferno Horde $15
Efrit Warriors $15
Core deck $20
Templar squires $15
Templates/tokens$45
Sun Wukong $15
Corvus Harriers $15
Infernal crusher$15
210-167
43 credit left.
total value=345
48% off no shipping cost
Some items you can get cheaper and some you won't
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/13 20:51:00
Subject: Kickstarter for Inferno, a Hell Dorado expansion announced by Cipher Studios
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Expendable Defender Destroid Rookie
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Pardon me, Mahrdol, but why are you only gettin $22 for the Inferno book trade-in? I says on the front page that it trades for $30 as well.
Also, you should be getting 2x Inferno decks, unless there is some trade-in deal?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/13 20:54:00
Subject: Kickstarter for Inferno, a Hell Dorado expansion announced by Cipher Studios
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Regular Dakkanaut
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recruittons wrote:Pardon me, Mahrdol, but why are you only gettin $22 for the Inferno book trade-in? I says on the front page that it trades for $30 as well.
Also, you should be getting 2x Inferno decks, unless there is some trade-in deal?
My mistake. A very good deal is even better let me fix it
Now I just need to use up 43 in trade ins.
As a new player the deal must be very good for you getting all those core models. I already have them all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/13 21:13:22
Subject: Kickstarter for Inferno, a Hell Dorado expansion announced by Cipher Studios
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Expendable Defender Destroid Rookie
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Oh yes! The core models are going to really get me started here!
Although, since the start of the KS, I've bought Sara Zingerasce, Squamata Trackers, Bran Carnoth, Mourner and Helle Moller, and I'm eyeballing a French Blades for Hire and French Corvus Tormentors at the moment. I'll probably own most of the line by the time this is over
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