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 Cheesecat wrote:

 Soladrin wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:

 Soladrin wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:

 Soladrin wrote:
Children and adults are all capable of differentiating between video games and reality.

I'm not sure I agree with that I'm pretty sure kids have a much lesser ability at distinguishing reality and fiction then adults do as most children aren't really given the opportunity to think for themselves till they're in their teens.

Well, that seems to be more of a cultural problem to me.

But yeah, the whole video game thing is a parenting issue too. The guns have age ratings for a reason. If I had 5 year old kidd I wouldn't be buying them Manhunt either.

I don't think I would give kids video-games and TV till they're going to high school, although I would probably be OK with them watching movies at around 5.

IMO that's on the other side of the scale of bad parenting. Being overprotective can damage a child just as much, if not more mentally.

Why would you be giving kid's TV and video-games at an early age? It's too much stimulus for them nothing else is going to compare to their experience watching TV and playing video games you lose your desire to do outdoor activities, learn and use your creative skills because you got

this highly addictive, high stimulus, entertainment device that you can use instead that makes kids fat and lazy. I know what the internet and video-games do to me, I spend most of my time in front of a computer screen because there's very few things outside it that I get the same amount

of stimulus as quickly. I pretty much stopped my artistic pursuits because I get quicker satisfaction out video-games and the internet and have difficulty finding enjoyment when I'm not around a computer screen, why would I want to expose a young child to that?

Apparently you don't graps the idea of moderation.

I watched TV and played a ton of games. I was also in a sailing club and used to windsurf a lot. Blaming TV and videogames for a child losing those traits is a big mark for bad parenting and nothing else.

@Soladrin, you're probably right but children can't monitor themselves, like if I had what I wanted when I was a child I would watch TV all day but I suppose TV and video-games can work at an early age as long as you set strict time limits.

 Jihadin wrote:
I've a feeling this was not a brand new .22 rifle. Sounding like the rifle might have been family own say like cousins or uncles. Parents were not at all fimiliar with firearms.

Why are we making up our own narrative as if all these facts weren't amply covered by the story linked in the OP?

A Kentucky toddler was accidentally shot dead by her own brother as he played with a gun he'd been given as a gift, police said.
Caroline Starks, 2, was killed after her 5-year-old sibling fired the .22-caliber rifle at their Burkesville home at 1 p.m. Tuesday.
The Lexington Herald-Leader reports the weapon — a Crickett branded by makers Keystone Sporting Arms as "My First Rifle" — was given to the boy last year.

I read a much earlier article this morning that was not as more indpth then the current. Since it was lacking info and there were already enough of these threads I didn't post it. I went with the Gun Manufacteurers moving to greener pasture thread

I was out shooting with my dad at age 8 onwards, also using a .22 rifle to shoot wood pigeon and rabbit, both of which I was taught to kill accurately, gut, skin/pluck, cook and eat. It was excellent life schooling, it gave me an early appreciation of life and death, suffering and ensuring (to this day) that minimizing animal suffering during the process of taking life is priority.

My dad stuck with me at all times and I was never, ever at any stage allowed to 'play about' with the gun or point it anywhere at anyone. When we returned to civilisation it was immediately taken from me and locked away in the storage shed. I find a 'my first rifle' in pastel shades, for small children and angled in sales like a toy, to be weird and creepy.

A 5 year old left with a gun... It defies any form of common sense, the stupidity would be comical if not for the tragedy of the dead child. It is outrageous that this isn't going further in terms of punishing the parents for lethal negligence. It may be prudent for the remaining child to be moved into foster care to avoid him being gifted a live rattlesnake or given a new bed made of crack rocks. Darwinian extinction is usually humorous, but in this circumstance it's sympathetic and piteous.

 Jihadin wrote:
I read a much earlier article this morning that was not as more indpth then the current. Since it was lacking info and there were already enough of these threads I didn't post it. I went with the Gun Manufacteurers moving to greener pasture thread

Fair enough.

 Grundz wrote:
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I hate gun weilders!


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 Medium of Death wrote:
Oh look, another gun thread... oh, this one is about children dying. Fantastic.

I don't really see this as a gun control issue, it's more of a parenting one. Yes it wouldn't have happened without guns, but what's more likely to happen; People locking up their guns properly or guns suddenly vanishing?

OK to be serious, as a parent this is utterly preventable. The Boy was shooting a deer rifle at 5. Genghis Connie was blasting a Beretta at 8 and asking if I had anything bigger (thats my girl!)

BUT! The weapons (as well as swords I have) were locked away AT ALL TIMES. They knew firearms were dangerous, but its best to keep temptation out of reach no?

Even now, unless on us, all firearms are locked away at all times. The air vortex gun, well not so much.


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 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I was out shooting with my dad at age 8 onwards, also using a .22 rifle to shoot wood pigeon and rabbit, both of which I was taught to kill accurately, gut, skin/pluck, cook and eat. It was excellent life schooling, it gave me an early appreciation of life and death, suffering and ensuring (to this day) that minimizing animal suffering during the process of taking life is priority.

My dad stuck with me at all times and I was never, ever at any stage allowed to 'play about' with the gun or point it anywhere at anyone. When we returned to civilisation it was immediately taken from me and locked away in the storage shed. I find a 'my first rifle' in pastel shades, for small children and angled in sales like a toy, to be weird and creepy.

A 5 year old left with a gun... It defies any form of common sense, the stupidity would be comical if not for the tragedy of the dead child. It is outrageous that this isn't going further in terms of punishing the parents for lethal negligence. It may be prudent for the remaining child to be moved into foster care to avoid him being gifted a live rattlesnake or given a new bed made of crack rocks. Darwinian extinction is usually humorous, but in this circumstance it's sympathetic and piteous.

We've disagreed many times, but in this your words are true boyo.

Wait...While I was in the hospital with Pneumonia...Show I was watching was Northwood Law...or something like that...Vermont I think. They hold a lottery every year for moose hunting. I kid you not. Two brothers won two tickets from the same family. Dad could not participate since he already claimed one previous year I think. kicker was. Older brother was 12 almost 13 and the younger was 11. Both using 30-06. Both brought down their moose differen day different location with their dad coaching them in their ear.....multiple shots per moose.....never shot a moose in my life and not expecting to...but damn...I wanted to be one of those kids to feel that. Their dad was PROUD as Hell. I will never hunt though but my wife does.

Weapons in a household make it more liketly that there will be a weapon related accident.

Which is the reason you teach gun safety.

Which can be a very valid reason to give children a gun so they can learn to handle it safely.

Which is also the reason to keep the gun under lock and key and away from the child unless both are under direct supervision at all times.

The accident was that the kid has irresponsible parents.

 d-usa wrote:
Weapons in a household make it more liketly that there will be a weapon related accident.

Which is the reason you teach gun safety.

Which can be a very valid reason to give children a gun so they can learn to handle it safely.

Which is also the reason to keep the gun under lock and key and away from the child unless both are under direct supervision at all times.

The accident was that the kid has irresponsible parents.

d-usa has got this one.

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Alright, I think we're done here.