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Not a lot of love for the Lizardmen Core in here. I guess they are too specific in their role to be exceptional.

Saurus warriors are tough and not too expensive but their poor WS and Terrible I make them not nearly as good in combat as other choices.

Skink Skirmishers are cheap and effective for harassment and hunting, but they die to a stern look being only T2 and LD5.

They both feel like they would fit in the good category but fall a little short of best. At least in my experience as a LM player.

Niteware wrote:

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Ah, the Fringe & Tattoo! Simply superb. Edina, Scotia's darling seat...

 Sigvatr wrote:
If we're taking all obviously broken 7th books out of the field, I'd say...Gnoblars.

In an unrestricted meta, you could troll the living hell out of your enemy with huge Gnoblar units. Or very small ones.

you mean like http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/546652.page? :p

No love for HE core?

Silver Helms? Pretty decent.

Big blocks of Spearmen or even Archers? Lots of rerolling attacks at decent WS, and shooting added on top with archers.

I'm pretty new to Fantasy, but our (HE) core seems like it is worth an honorable mention.

I concur with you on the HE, but it's very depedent on what they're facing
I fear them as I'm playing Skaven that do suffer a lot of losses from WS 4 ASF guys
But a lot of the meta is now focused on higher toughness and awesome armour saves
Those spearmen won't do much against Tzeench Warriors, Demigryphs or such

Yes - I don't really worry about unbuffed HE core. Give them a good buff and they can be very scary though. 50 spears with Mindrazor is terrifying.

Niteware wrote:
Yes - I don't really worry about unbuffed HE core. Give them a good buff and they can be very scary though. 50 spears with Mindrazor is terrifying.

Mindrazor is a moot point since it makes absolutely everything bar Ld2 Furies stupidly killy...

What makes HE core good is that they have Reavers & Silverhelms there which are both excellent choices at winning the chaff war.
Archers are okay as well since they can help out in removing chaff and/or putting a wound or two onto monstrous targets.

No Gor love? 8pts for 2 attack, WS4 T4 model that rerolls to hit half the time regardless if it is the first round of combat or not and that can never be hexed down like ASF? I'd take WS4 and T4 over WS3 T3 and 6+ armor save maybe even a 5+, and the cool thing is lore of metal is laughable to bring to the table aganst them. Also with a little support they can become S4, with magic even S5 T5 and with Ld10 and BSB rerolls fail that primal fury test less than 5% of the time.

I'd give a nod to Gors. Even if only for the sheer number of attacks a horde can put out.

I often face Beasts with my HE and I usually roll through a 40 Gor horde no problem, but my playstyle also revolves around support charges. If I get caught in a fight with a single unit facing the Gor horde, then they can ace that primal fury roll and just put out so many attacks that they crush a unit without breaking a sweat.

And yes, aside from Reavers or Silver Helms, HE core really needs magic support of some kind to handle anything more powerful than other, lower toughness types of units.

I kind of have a problem with warriors of chaos but maybe that's just with my skaven. Given marks they can be pretty disgusting and i don't have the bajillion slaves to hold them in combat since i don't have the money to buy them (read: i'm poor). Only a couple units in the whole skaven army can even strike simultaneously with them in close combat.

Of course close combat is the worst way to handle warriors but when you have a daemon prince and gorebeast chariots to worry about your hellpit abomination, warpfire throwers, doomwheels and warp lightning cannons may find themselves in a difficult position.

Warriors of chaos have a lot of armor and a pretty ridiculous stat-line with only mild weaknesses in leadership or possibly frenzy if they're mark of khorne so re-directing is probably the best idea.

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Skink skirmishers were insanely good if used correctly but i don't know if they are anymore. I hear they have poisoned melee attacks now too if you take them that way.

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Some armies have infantry that scare me (mostly just chaos warriors and ogres) and some don't but make up for it with buff units or other choices (like skaven rares give hitting power).

However yeah best infantry in my opinion is still warriors of chaos but then i don't have on-hand a book of each unit's abilities and their cost.

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If anybody wants to get on the skaven are OP bandwagon let me tell you that i've heard at least a handful of armies to be considered OP (skaven, high elves or at least with teclis, daemons in 7th, warriors of chaos, skink skirmishers w/ slann in the old lizardmen army book and others).

@shamroll: You have never seen lizardmen units in a 'river of light' before. I had one lizardmen opponent roll that up twice. The biggest weaknesses of lizardmen being initiative and WS go to 10. Spells from the 'river of light' can not be dispelled and they go off automatically. Not to mention the lizardmen have a lot of aquatic creatures so that water effects don't really effect them negatively in the normal base ways. It's pretty lame to face WS and initiative 10 saurus or skinks when you're skaven. Generally skaven are one of the highest initiative factions except for like warriors of chaos and elf armies (perhaps some slannesh and daemon princes as well). Losing that advantage is pretty big.

Glade Guard, of course.

Well Dryads hold the best core skirmisher part. They have a very good stat line (Think Warrior of chaos but swap 1 WS for 1 I) and a Semi-Ward for relatively cheap. In small units they can be redirectors, in big units they can be support combat units. In forests they are stubborn and they have GREAT synergy with Wildform turning them into S and T 5 monsters. Lots of people under estimate dryads, because when they charge into HE spears who don't get there re-rolls and wound on 5's when dryads wound them on 3's and force a 6+ save, well, things don't go pretty. They are the ultimate chaff unit, because they can slaughter other chaff units while effectively fighting off other chaff killers.

Warriors for their versatility. Marks, weapon options, and how well they are priced give us a really good core choice alongside chariots