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There are more fine examples than the ones I named, and wretched examples than the films I named. I stuck to the ones that might be top of mind to Joe Average - didn't mean for either list to be exhaustive. The point was, Sci-Fi CAN occasionally make for great movies, and videogames of certain genre's become movies routinely today.

I still say a tight script with a view of a limited slice of a well-done portion of the Imperium is the way to go.

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ComTrav wrote:
-Hollywood is in a mode now where it pilfers ideas from anywhere it can. Books, comics, video games...even the famous board game, Battleship


There are two pretty big differences here:

1) Battleship has name recognition, 40k doesn't. Most people played Battleship as a kid, or at least heard about it, saw TV ads for it, etc. 40k, on the other hand, is a niche market game. Show the average person a movie poster with "Warhammer 40k" on it and they probably won't recognize it, and almost certainly won't have any strong feelings about it. Sure, adding the 40k name to a movie helps get the dedicated fans to see it, but it's pretty far down the list in terms of overall brand recognition that a mainstream movie would want to exploit.

2) 40k has its own identity, Battleship doesn't. The great thing about making a movie with the Battleship license is that the game is a complete blank slate. As long as you have some scenes of battleships shooting at stuff (always a winning idea in a mindless action movie anyway) you can just throw the "Battleship" logo on any random movie you want and take advantage of the name recognition. 40k, on the other hand, actually has existing fiction that a movie would have to care about. That's a lot of extra baggage to deal with for a story that is mediocre at best, especially since any decent script writer could probably throw together a new 40k-style concept on their lunch break that would be just as good.

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I dont remember the length to be honest, just the giant ships..... filled with a whole 5 guys. Oh and the dust on the planet, lots of dust. There were some cool parts of the movie, i had just hoped for more.
   
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If Hollywood does a high budget Movie title. It should be about.

1. Horus Hersey
2. Space Wolves or the other Codex chapters
3. Based off the book 15 Hours
4. The Inquisition
5 Something about Space Hulks traveling through the eye of terror and being invaded by chaos marines and deamons.

   
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 Savageconvoy wrote:
ComTrav wrote:
-Hollywood is in a mode now where it pilfers ideas from anywhere it can. Books, comics, video games...even the famous board game, Battleship.
It's actually the other way for a lot of things, including Battleship. Scripts come and go through producers, but the producers know jack about story telling usually and only about how to fill seats. So they slap on popular titles on to scripts to get extra seats. If I remember right, Battleship wasn't planned to be based on the board game, until a producer realized they could slap the title on and the internet would advertise for them. Usually goes with most movies that are terrible adaptations like I, Robot and Starship Troopers. Hell, if they did make a great script for 40K they'd probably just end up changing a few things and calling it "Halo" so it will fill more seats.


Uh, Starship Troopers was expressly, explicitly, purposefully adapted from the book. There was no "studio" causing problems with that film. The alterations in the film (from the book) were an effect of directorial decisions and budgetary concerns. Simply put, at the time, they didn't have the money to do Power Armor on the screen. The animation for the bugs took the bulk of the SFX budget.

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 Psienesis wrote:

Uh, Starship Troopers was expressly, explicitly, purposefully adapted from the book. There was no "studio" causing problems with that film. The alterations in the film (from the book) were an effect of directorial decisions and budgetary concerns. Simply put, at the time, they didn't have the money to do Power Armor on the screen. The animation for the bugs took the bulk of the SFX budget.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Troopers_%28film%29
The title was adapted from the book. The script was altered to include elements of the story into the movie to make it seem more like the book so it wouldn't look like just a title.
The director Paul Verhoeven never finished reading the novel, claiming he read through the first few chapters and became both "bored and depressed."

The setting, tone, and message between book change entirely. This is usually one of the major signs to look for that the adaptation was done as an after thought. The actual tone of the movie was more like mocking the tone of the book for being so militaristic and about following protocol.

I'm expecting an Imperial Knights supplement dedicated to GW's loyalist apologetics. Codex: White Knights "In the grim dark future, everything is fine."

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To make a successful 40k feature, first we have to get rid of 40k(as it were), because a) it wil kill the anticipation if it a "nerd flick" and b) it looks silly. So, we get rid of the mainstream space marines(shoulder pads), the orks, a large quantity of chaos, and probably the eldar too, as otherwise they'll have to keep the helmets on at all times.

So, we mostly have the inquisition left. This gives us our protagonist, an inquisitor or henchman.This allows for very nice expressal of the "grimdarkness." Probably the best antagonists would be tyranids/genestealer cults, as it gives a reason for an inqusitor(in the general sense of the word), and who doesn't like some gribblies?

The setting would probably best be a hive city, for the potential atmosphere and similar.

A subplot could be tau forces brought into the crossfire, o appeal to a slightly wider fanbase. They would need to be darkened up a bit to it in with the art style, so dark green/bue colour scheme, rather than the savannah camo.

I really think that a television show would be better though, at least for the purposes of getting it into the internet's eye, I mean, look at the song of ice and fire books. It also allows more development, and can introduce more things without sacrificing the main plotline.

Then when it is established we introduce the sillier aspects, starting, I think, with the space marines. Treading carefully, I would advocate Black Templars or Dark Angels(sufficiently dark theme here).

Also, this would be R16 at the least, assuming we stic with the fluff here, and that's with really toned down blood effects.

Finally, I think a suitable title would be Ordo Malleus,(I know they don't deal with tyranids), maybe Inquisition, or possibly Hive *insert suiitable name*.

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 VoidAngel wrote:
There are more fine examples than the ones I named, and wretched examples than the films I named. I stuck to the ones that might be top of mind to Joe Average - didn't mean for either list to be exhaustive. The point was, Sci-Fi CAN occasionally make for great movies, and videogames of certain genre's become movies routinely today.

I still say a tight script with a view of a limited slice of a well-done portion of the Imperium is the way to go.


Good points. I'll give ya that. It did take a long timeindeed for comic book movies to actually be given enough substance to be good too...

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 Psienesis wrote:
Uh, Starship Troopers was expressly, explicitly, purposefully adapted from the book. There was no "studio" causing problems with that film. The alterations in the film (from the book) were an effect of directorial decisions and budgetary concerns. Simply put, at the time, they didn't have the money to do Power Armor on the screen. The animation for the bugs took the bulk of the SFX budget.


Have to say watching those bugs was kind of worth it too. Always how I pictured tyranids attacking in my imagination and it was just awesome to see it realized on the screen.

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The problem I see with Tyranids is that most people or critics would just call it another "Ailens" or "Starship troopers" film, same goes with a SH film imo..

I wish to be a director when I am older and I wish to go big and make my own, 40k trilogy here are my thoughts.

-Based on a Forge world (giving information about the Adeptus mechanicus adding a nice slice of grimdarkness)

-Have either John Hurt or Tom Baker narrate at the beginning "there is only war yadayada" actors I think all SM would have to be British actors to avoid the famous "Saturday morning cartoon" feel to it, but with IG I am not too sure what their accent would be like, imo I think I would have to make my Cadians American simply because it would be easier for the differentiation of the voices, but that's just my opinion..

-Have the first scene in combat a Squad of IG facing off large numbers of an enemy, they would be based inside a wrecked church defending something religious.

-would be a IG film and an SM film a few combat scenes of IG being a diversion with the SM making the Alpha strikes.

the fist film would be a plot on how to get rid of the foe, nothing too much and would give me space to talk about the grim darkness of the imperium.

the first enemy would be Orks, because you don't see space Orks that much in films tbh, plus they are a simple race to explain to the audience.

in the second film it would be facing against Chaos, adding more grim darkness but showing more behaviour of characters.

In the third film I honestly would not know which enemy to use I think Eldar, Necrons or Tau would be good as they all have contrasts with the Imperium of man plus these are unique race's which may generate more interest for the audience and would be less of "this film is a rip off of Movie X and Y"

-The SM and IG would have to be Cadians and ultramarines (because lets face it GW wont let you use any other unless you had one of each of these guys in it)

I am aware that people want to see famous battles that they have read about but imo, it would be policed to high hell by GW and there wouldn't be any space to breath on those projects, and on the topic of the inquisition, I would think I could add a bit here and there in the second film but imo they are difficult to explain what they are, I remember first starting 40k and finding out about the Inquisition and I found the idea hard to grasp at first, its when someone said "witch hunters in space" I finally understood what they were.

This is just my two cents but this is how I would direct a 40k movie.

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Commissar Benny wrote:
I truly believe the 40k universe has some of the best lore ever written. Hundreds if not thousands of movies could be based off it. The question is, why hasn't there been? If done right, it has the potential to make Warhammer 40k explode in popularity. The closest thing I can think of that comes remotely close to portray a grimdark 40k setting would be the 1986 film "Aliens" which could potentially be compared to Tyranids/Imperial Guard, but even then the 40k setting is much much darker. Starship troopers also comes to mind, but again does not come remotely close to appeasing the grimdark atmosphere the 40k universe depicts.

There is a huge niche missing from cinema that only the 40k universe is capable of providing. Why has Games Workshop not jumped all over this?


Aliens are slightly similar to Tyranids, "Space Marines" from that movie have almost nothing in common with Imperial Guard.

Given GW's decidedly PG-13 focus (re; non-nude Slaneesh stuff), I can imagine any 40k movie would be a steaming pile of garbage.

Seeing that they called the one they *did* make; "Ultramarines - a Warhammer 40k movie" I'm not surprised at all it got 38% on Rotten Tomatoes
   
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Hunter/Prey. It's got Orks, Tau and Humans.

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 Savageconvoy wrote:
 Psienesis wrote:

Uh, Starship Troopers was expressly, explicitly, purposefully adapted from the book. There was no "studio" causing problems with that film. The alterations in the film (from the book) were an effect of directorial decisions and budgetary concerns. Simply put, at the time, they didn't have the money to do Power Armor on the screen. The animation for the bugs took the bulk of the SFX budget.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Troopers_%28film%29
The title was adapted from the book. The script was altered to include elements of the story into the movie to make it seem more like the book so it wouldn't look like just a title.
The director Paul Verhoeven never finished reading the novel, claiming he read through the first few chapters and became both "bored and depressed."

The setting, tone, and message between book change entirely. This is usually one of the major signs to look for that the adaptation was done as an after thought. The actual tone of the movie was more like mocking the tone of the book for being so militaristic and about following protocol.


That's my point. Verhoeven filmed the movie he wanted to film, based on the book, as he wanted to shoot it. It was not like he set out to make a faithful adaptation of the book and some studio-head came down and said "Hey, why don't you sexify this up by 10%?"

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" It was not like he set out to make a faithful adaptation of the book and some studio-head came down and said "Hey, why don't you sexify this up by 10%?""

Nah, Denise Richards did that all by herself. Though it was more like 110%.

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You could have it star orks and be a blood drenched black/slapstick comedy.

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Please, no more Orks... So tired of Orks...

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 CadianXV wrote:
I think Abnett's Inquisition series is ripe for conversion. Interesting characters, engrossing detective plot, car chases, and apocalyptic climaxes.

Still, it'll be a cold day in hell when a Studio with a large enough budget to do it justice buys the rights.


I completely agree with this statement. Especially considering the franchise doesn't scream Warhammer 40k or giant Space Marines at all. It's a story that is more, relatable lets say, to the average person than some super human running around killing thousands of chaos troops.

Plus, you can't not love how Nayl was written as a bounty hunter turned Imperial Agent with a hilarious character model. Some of the things he says are hilarious. You can really connect to all the characters and how they all interact w/ each other.

I'd bet that the Inquisition would be a place for them to go.

Plus, you don't need to computer animate the people playing the characters, because they're all human.

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It would definitely make some money if marketed correctly.

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 Kain wrote:
You could have it star orks and be a blood drenched black/slapstick comedy.

Nobody would see that movie.

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 VoidAngel wrote:
" It was not like he set out to make a faithful adaptation of the book and some studio-head came down and said "Hey, why don't you sexify this up by 10%?""

Nah, Denise Richards did that all by herself. Though it was more like 110%.


Her apparent allergy to clothing certainly did no harm to the film.

... and, yes, I think the Eisenhorn series would make the best translation to a live-action film. It's a film that demands Ridley Scott direct it.

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Here's the deal - a 40k movie won't happen the way we want it for a lot of reasons.

If you know anything about film financing, you know that these financiers don't like to make risky bets. While they might be willing to make a wager on the 40k setting, whatever a big studio would green light would be unrecognizable to us.

First of all, to secure the big financing, you need a "bankable" star. What this means is we would get some pretty boy like Channing Tatum in the lead role because he puts a certain guaranteed number of butts in seats. Seriously, this is one of the criteria that film financiers use in their evaluation process.

Then, there would *have* to be a romance story line with an attractive female lead somewhere. It's a must. I guess this is supposed to get women to capitulate to their husbands' / boyfriends' / sons' demands to go see the movie. So, basically, the story would be some horrendous version of Love In The 41st Millenium and how Space Marine Rogers is doing it all for his woman.

And, as others have mentioned, it would have to be PG-13. For a major studio to take a chance on an untested franchise like 40k, there is no way in hell they would risk releasing an R-rated film.

So, careful what you wish for here. I have ZERO confidence in a major studio's ability to make a film about 40k that would meet our fanboy approval. Seriously, Hollywood would mutilate our baby beyond all recognition.

The only alternative is a low budget indy flick, which, you know, has all the problems associated with low budget productions. I'd say the absolute best we could hope for is an indy flick with a decent multi-million dollar budget. We will love this film. But, in all honesty, it will probably be a money loser when all is said and done.

As far as GW producing a 40k film themselves, forget it. It will never happen. Never. GW isn't in the business of making movies, and they would never risk a substantial chunk of their annual revenue on such a huge gamble. Period.

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Kickstarter it.

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No reason not to. Privateer Press just funded a proper WM game via Kickstarter. Looks great, takes the risk out of it for the company - they aren't spending their money to do it. Fans get what they want.

This could work the same way. Easily.

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 Psienesis wrote:
 Savageconvoy wrote:
 Psienesis wrote:

Uh, Starship Troopers was expressly, explicitly, purposefully adapted from the book. There was no "studio" causing problems with that film. The alterations in the film (from the book) were an effect of directorial decisions and budgetary concerns. Simply put, at the time, they didn't have the money to do Power Armor on the screen. The animation for the bugs took the bulk of the SFX budget.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Troopers_%28film%29
The title was adapted from the book. The script was altered to include elements of the story into the movie to make it seem more like the book so it wouldn't look like just a title.
The director Paul Verhoeven never finished reading the novel, claiming he read through the first few chapters and became both "bored and depressed."

The setting, tone, and message between book change entirely. This is usually one of the major signs to look for that the adaptation was done as an after thought. The actual tone of the movie was more like mocking the tone of the book for being so militaristic and about following protocol.


That's my point. Verhoeven filmed the movie he wanted to film, based on the book, as he wanted to shoot it. It was not like he set out to make a faithful adaptation of the book and some studio-head came down and said "Hey, why don't you sexify this up by 10%?"


My imagination, but what do you think about Lynch? He made "Dune" and 40k is ripoff of that...

I know that movie was heavy critiqued, but I really enjoyed the setting....

ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."

Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan


 
   
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 VoidAngel wrote:
No reason not to. Privateer Press just funded a proper WM game via Kickstarter. Looks great, takes the risk out of it for the company - they aren't spending their money to do it. Fans get what they want.

This could work the same way. Easily.


No, you're right. Honestly, if it could somehow get GW's blessing (and therein lies the rub!!!), Kickstarter would probably be the best way to get a faithful 40k movie made that would please the fans and would be of minimal financial risk for the producer.

I think the likelihood of it actually happening is very small, but, we can dream!

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Oh, not for a second would I believe the GW would allow any such thing to be done outside their strict control. I meant that they themselves could use Kickstarter as a mechanism to pre-fund the project at no risk to themselves.

We'd just have to trust them with our money. *coughgaghurl*

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 VoidAngel wrote:
" It was not like he set out to make a faithful adaptation of the book and some studio-head came down and said "Hey, why don't you sexify this up by 10%?""

Nah, Denise Richards did that all by herself. Though it was more like 110%.


Of course it was easier to accept Denise Richards as a starship pilot than as a nuclear physicist in the James Bond film she did...

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 DarthMarko wrote:
 Psienesis wrote:
 Savageconvoy wrote:
 Psienesis wrote:

Uh, Starship Troopers was expressly, explicitly, purposefully adapted from the book. There was no "studio" causing problems with that film. The alterations in the film (from the book) were an effect of directorial decisions and budgetary concerns. Simply put, at the time, they didn't have the money to do Power Armor on the screen. The animation for the bugs took the bulk of the SFX budget.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Troopers_%28film%29
The title was adapted from the book. The script was altered to include elements of the story into the movie to make it seem more like the book so it wouldn't look like just a title.
The director Paul Verhoeven never finished reading the novel, claiming he read through the first few chapters and became both "bored and depressed."

The setting, tone, and message between book change entirely. This is usually one of the major signs to look for that the adaptation was done as an after thought. The actual tone of the movie was more like mocking the tone of the book for being so militaristic and about following protocol.


That's my point. Verhoeven filmed the movie he wanted to film, based on the book, as he wanted to shoot it. It was not like he set out to make a faithful adaptation of the book and some studio-head came down and said "Hey, why don't you sexify this up by 10%?"


My imagination, but what do you think about Lynch? He made "Dune" and 40k is ripoff of that...

I know that movie was heavy critiqued, but I really enjoyed the setting....


Lynch would be better of directing something that involved hidden cultists, daemons, suspicion, double-crosses, weirdness and and far-out mental leaps.

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I think Hollywood optioned a 40k movie several times, but negotiations always broke down because Hollywood either wanted to dilute the IP and make it less grimdark, or insisting on adding a romance subplot.
   
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Which is why a GW-controlled, crowd-funded model is the only way I see of getting it done with the right quality.

If we pay for it, lock-stock, and barrel...it doesn't need to sell one "general audience" ticket to make them money. They paid nothing for it, essentially, and if they sell one of us one copy or one screening - they've profited. But, in fact, they'd sell hundred of thousands of copies or screenings just to us - and likely a few tens of thousands more to generic sci-fi fans.

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