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See... this is why the Republicans are shooting themselves in the foot vis-a-vis on Obamacare... the news are dominated by the shutdown, instead of this...
21. “I am so disappointed. These prices are outrageous and there are huge deductibles. No one can afford this!”
20. “Good grief. Day three of trying and still can’t get on this website. The government KNEW about this thing going live for two years. TWO YEARS! And this is the best they could do? I shudder to think what’s going to happen once they are in control of my healthcare. They can’t even get their website functioning properly. If my business had rolled out a piece of crap that worked like this I’d be out of business.”
19. “How is it that Facebook, which is a non-essential social networking web site, can reliably handle BILLIONS of electronic interactions per second, but the Healthcare.gov site, which is literally the very heart of the Obamacare program wasn’t ready for the obvious millions of visitors that you had to know it would be receiving?”
18. “i’m just going to stop even bothering for a couple weeks or so… once the fervor dies down, hopefully i’ll be able to actually create an account!”
17. “The Federal Gov’t has ruined everything it has gotten involved in, does anybody really expect this healthcare disaster to be any different? Sorry, I’ll take the asinine fine.”
16. “And yet another day and several tries I once again keep getting nothing but a completely blank page after I log in. The top tab says ‘Successful URL’. Oh how ironic.”
15. “Didn’t these Feds ever have mothers that told them not to lie? Maybe they were raised in the wild. This system is trash. I can’t verify my identity or upload documents. Also what’s with Experian verifying ID’s? Don’t care for that at all.”
14. “I am a single mother of two, in school and working full time, living 75% below the poverty level and I DO NOT qualify for a healthcare subsidy”
13. “the website can’t verify my identity…the people at the experian verification number can’t verify my identity either….i tried to upload a scan of my driver’s license, and that won’t work either……very annoying process…….i’ve wasted 3 days on this junk.”
12. “if you’re stupid enough to put all your banking information in to the federal governments computers you are definitely part of the problem”
11. “Where the HELL am I supposed to get $3,000 more a year to pay for this “bronze” health insurance plan!?!??? And I DO NOT EVEN WANT INSURANCE to begin with!! This is frightening.”
10. “I have one question. What happens if I can’t afford the Affordable Health Care that you are cramming down my throat? I just ran your calculator, and if it is even close to accurate, I will have a choice…..I can pay my rent and buy groceries, or I can pay the health care premiums, move out into the streets and live under a bridge some where, and go hungry! Can I please get one of those exemption things that the President and Congress got?”
9. “I’ve been stuck at the security questions since 9am on October 1st”
8. “Death Panels. Yes. The red plan. It’s affordable. And painless!”
7. “Here in Austin, TX have gotten to login screen three times today, wait is getting shorter, but am still getting a blank screen after getting a quick ‘authenticating, please wait’ message at top left of screen, then nothing but a blank white page and no indication that the browser is waiting for the server to do anything. Attempts to refresh the screen sends me back to the please wait screen.”
6. “I finally got past the security question problem, got my account, my verification email, and when I went to log in, it said the information was invalid.”
5. “I want to know how I am expected to pay $300+ for this and still pay my bills when the only income is $710 a month from my husband’s SSI? Am i supposed to lose my home and water and electricity or go to jail because I can’t afford this?”
4. “Government forces people to pay a new tax. People click on website to see how much this new tax will cost them. Website crashes in the first hour. Government calls it a huge success.”
3. “I work a minimum wage job…how the heck can I afford health insurance and if the company doesn’t give full time? I am so angry right now…. I share housing with others because I can’t afford my own place… how do you expect people to afford obamacare if they barely get by from paycheck to paycheck????? I can’t afford a fine either! I think you are obligated to give the American people an answer and an explanation!”
2. “Y’all can kiss my butt. You got that? You want my bank account? I’ll close it. You put a lien on my house? Take it…and the mortgage too. Some things are worth fighting for, and freedom is one of them! I am sick and tired of the redistribution strategies of this socialist country and having my wages STOLEN to pay for them!”
1. The best comment was posted by a man named Will Sheehan with type 1 diabetes who was initially very excited to sign up for Obamacare. But what he discovered while trying to sign up was absolutely horrifying…
I actually made it through this morning at 8:00 A.M. I have a preexisting condition (Type 1 Diabetes) and my income base was 45K-55K annually I chose tier 2 “Silver Plan” and my monthly premiums came out to $597.00 with $13,988 yearly deductible!!! There is NO POSSIBLE way that I can afford this so I “opt-out” and chose to continue along with no insurance.
I received an email tonight at 5:00 P.M. informing me that my fine would be $4,037 and could be attached to my yearly income tax return. Then you make it to the “REPERCUSSIONS PORTION” for “non-payment” of yearly fine. First, your drivers license will be suspended until paid, and if you go 24 consecutive months with “Non-Payment” and you happen to be a home owner, you will have a federal tax lien placed on your home. You can agree to give your bank information so that they can easy “Automatically withdraw” your “penalties” weekly, bi-weekly or monthly! This by no means is “Free” or even “Affordable.”
The rest is the usual complaints about anything that has ever launched online ever during the first week, and the "let's pretend that there are no subsidies", "I've never been able to get coverage before but I'm going to bitch about actually being able to get insurance that covers me" and "I don't want insurance, evil government" posts that have been nothing new for months now.
So how many here actually need to enroll into Obamacare? Pretty senseless to get on a high horse and claim how great it is, positive/negative feedback at each other, or "One Shot One Kill" type of posts if none of us are in need to enrolling.
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It would end up $200 more a month for me if I would switch from my employee based health insurance for similar coverage, since I would lose my employer contribution. If I were to loose my job it would be $200 less than what I would pay for my current plan under COBRA, but at that plot I would get subsidies at well.
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Think that was what Ouze and me were tap dancing earlier on this thread. I'm under the impression that the packages in ACA/ObamaCare were not really looked at or thought out. Hence I said two to three years down the road. The "discontent" some are having are going to get blown out of proportion or ignored as a "beat stick" as it continues. Then we have a "Titanic Situation" or to use the phrase from "Replacement" when Reeves talked about "Quick Sand"
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whembly wrote: See... this is why the Republicans are shooting themselves in the foot vis-a-vis on Obamacare... the news are dominated by the shutdown, instead of this...
This is getting fugly:
The most politicised piece of federal legislation in a generation and you think a group of facebook posts means something? I mean, come on.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
whembly wrote: See... this is why the Republicans are shooting themselves in the foot vis-a-vis on Obamacare... the news are dominated by the shutdown, instead of this...
This is getting fugly:
The most politicised piece of federal legislation in a generation and you think a group of facebook posts means something? I mean, come on.
You initially said that the relevant facebook posts damage the reputation of Obamacare, which implies that they are significant. Moreover, in this context claiming that a thing is interesting also implies that it is significant.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
You initially said that the relevant facebook posts damage the reputation of Obamacare, which implies that they are significant. Moreover, in this context claiming that a thing is interesting also implies that it is significant.
Yeah... but most posters on Facebook and Twitter aren't political junkies like we are...
So, if comments like these are hitting these "low information voters'" radar, so yeah, I'd consider that interesting.
Remember the roll out of Medicare D? The information for that was so poorly administered and conflicting that you had people rejecting claims that were entirely valid. But the issues got resolved, and it become an important part of the healthcare system. You want to try and roll roll back Medicare D now?
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
whembly wrote: Yeah... but most posters on Facebook and Twitter aren't political junkies like we are...
So, if comments like these are hitting these "low information voters'" radar, so yeah, I'd consider that interesting.
In my experience with facebook I'd say that hardly anyone posts political stuff just once. Instead you get people who spam the place with every piece of information about their one true cause constantly, or people going through a brief phase in which they post lots of political arguments (likely because there's an election coming up, or some piece of policy has just hit the headlines).
Oh, and a person can be both a low information voter and a political junkie. In fact, I'd argue that half the problem is that a lot of voters are both of those things.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Oh, and a person can be both a low information voter and a political junkie. In fact, I'd argue that half the problem is that a lot of voters are both of those things.
True. A lot of people treat CNN like TMZ.
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Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
dogma wrote: True. A lot of people treat CNN like TMZ.
Which is crazy. TMZ is far more reliable.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Oh, and a person can be both a low information voter and a political junkie. In fact, I'd argue that half the problem is that a lot of voters are both of those things.
True. A lot of people treat CNN like TMZ.
Had a good laugh at that...thanks.
Automatically Appended Next Post: EDIT: This seems apt:
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The number that keeps being touted is that 40 million who didn't have healthcare before will be getting it. I think that number is a bit bogus. Various estimates prior to the bills passage was 44 million did not have it. So, since this bill isn't giving free coverage, their saying 40 million more people are buying coverage. As much a 1/4 of those 44 million people have no plans on getting insurance, so that 40 million number should drop dramatically.
Mean while, latest estimates I read showed that at least 16 million who already paid for their own insurance (out of pocket, not employer provided), will see massive premium hikes.
And as of yet, there is no telling how many have lost their employer provided insurance because of this, while having hours cut, and making it harder to come out of pocket for it.
yes, but are those 40 million, getting a better deal? or are they going to be fined for not being able to afford the premiums?
sounds like all the people who now have "access" to health care are actually just being forced to pay more $ then they actually have for healthcare, or pay a fine, which is also more $ then they have...
by all means, SOMEONE speak up and tell me what a great deal THEY PERSONALLY are getting...
easysauce wrote: yes, but are those 40 million, getting a better deal? or are they going to be fined for not being able to afford the premiums?
sounds like all the people who now have "access" to health care are actually just being forced to pay more $ then they actually have for healthcare, or pay a fine, which is also more $ then they have...
by all means, SOMEONE speak up and tell me what a great deal THEY PERSONALLY are getting...
easy... I think it'll be those with pre-existing conditions that'll see the better deal.
Like I said earlier, my exchange premium would be $200 less than what I would pay under COBRA. My employer match is what makes my job-insurance cheaper, especially since I make too much for subsidies. If I loose my job though I would have the already lower exchange price and possibly subsidies at that point.
