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I'm surprised at the amount of vitriol and bitterness surrounding such as simple abbreviation. "1999+1" is shorter and easier to say than "2k no double FoC", and just as informative as "BRB". (The main rulebook is no longer red, and the abbreviation "brb" can be used for other phrases, meaning someone new to the hobby might not immediately understand the meaning - I only learned it because dakka nicely writes it out with mouse-over text).

This seems more like a case of people inferring some sort of character judgement from other people's choice of abbreviation - as though anyone who says "1999+1" is some sort of smug gakker who hates everyone's fun.

It's literally just an abbreviation. If you have so much of a problem with it, just ask your opponents if they use that terminology and refuse to play them if they give an answer you don't like.

 Xca|iber wrote:
I'm surprised at the amount of vitriol and bitterness surrounding such as simple abbreviation. "1999+1" is shorter and easier to say than "2k no double FoC", and just as informative as "BRB". (The main rulebook is no longer red, and the abbreviation "brb" can be used for other phrases, meaning someone new to the hobby might not immediately understand the meaning - I know I didn't when I first joined dakka).

This seems more like a case of people inferring some sort of character judgement from other people's choice of abbreviation - as though anyone who says "1999+1" is some sort of smug gakker who hates everyone's fun.

It's literally just an abbreviation. If you have so much of a problem with it, just ask your opponents if they use that terminology and refuse to play them if they give an answer you don't like.

To be fair, when 6th edition first came out, it was not an abbreviation. It was if you didn't agree with 1999+1 you were scum of the earth. Alot of people actually refused to say 2000 points no FOC, they thought they were pretty sneaky with saying 1999+1. You didn't agree with that, then you were beneath them. They were giving people alot of flak for not agreeing. Come to think of it, it was RAW players, it was a way for RAW players who didn't like 2 FOC to get around this rule.

I think that is why there is alot of contempt for it to this day.

Also I think saying
Two k no FOC
Is faster than
Nineteen ninety nine plus one
Or
One thousand nine hundred ninety nine plus one
So for a faster way of saying it it makes no sence. I personally dont care if we play no double foc cuz I play DA DW so I usually don't need it

sangheili wrote:
Also I think saying
Two k no FOC
Is faster than
Nineteen ninety nine plus one
Or
One thousand nine hundred ninety nine plus one
So for a faster way of saying it it makes no sence. I personally dont care if we play no double foc cuz I play DA DW so I usually don't need it

It's faster to say "2K, one FOC" then it is to say "1999+1".
When typing, it is the other way around.

I've never heard people refer to 1999+1, only seen it in text format.

well as was explained, 1999+1 infers single force org. Its synonymous.