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deathmagiks wrote:
Scarabs are beasts. Beasts can't use the quad-gun. Or any emplaced weapons for that matter.

I'd tend to agree with you, but with all the things they've pulled out to back themselves up with, it looks like RAW might be on their side this time.
(... unless you can quote/specify something that will invalidate their claims?).

deathmagiks wrote:
Scarabs are beasts. Beasts can't use the quad-gun. Or any emplaced weapons for that matter.

Says where? Emplaced weapons rules just say they can be fired by a model, and nowhere in the beast rules it mentions any restrictions about firing?

This whole concept is however stupid.

Agreed, this is a dumb abuse of RAW
...
but it might also give Necrons a 145 point solution to dealing with MCs at long distance (after all, provided the Scarabs manned Quad gun can manage to deal a single wound to the MC, it'll lose its armor save for the rest of the game, allowing Tesla Destructors to finish them off with ease).

Also it gives them very effective AA without needing to buy flyers or Annihilation Barges

Otto Weston wrote:
Also it gives them very effective AA without needing to buy flyers or Annihilation Barges

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Why would any Necron player worth his dice not want to bring Annihilation Barges?

 skoffs wrote:

Otto Weston wrote:
Also it gives them very effective AA without needing to buy flyers or Annihilation Barges

...
Why would any Necron player worth his dice not want to bring Annihilation Barges?

They wouldnt take anni barges so they can buy more spyders to spawn more scarabs so they can have more bodies to keep using the quad gun!

Just imagine 40 of the little buggers swarming around the quad gun all waiting for their turn to kill a stormraven

Have the Nemesor give them Tank Hunters for that extra slice of grade A cheese.

 skoffs wrote:

Otto Weston wrote:
Also it gives them very effective AA without needing to buy flyers or Annihilation Barges

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Why would any Necron player worth his dice not want to bring Annihilation Barges?

Well I play Necrons but I don't like using conventional/highly used units --

I use Flayed Ones, Doomsday Ark etc.

Scarabs fit right in then XD

So Destroyers give the Quad Gun 'Preferred Enemy: All' ?

 Chopper Greg wrote:
So Destroyers give the Quad Gun 'Preferred Enemy: All' ?

Of course.

Can't a C'tan Shard take Entropic Strike too? It'd be expensive, but better BS, right?

Lucarikx

Scarab Quad guns are clearly OP WAAC Cheese, I'm taking my WaveVesa spamstar and going home

 Lucarikx wrote:
Can't a C'tan Shard take Entropic Strike too? It'd be expensive, but better BS, right?

Lucarikx

Entropic for the C'tan, very specifically says-

Entopic Touch: The C'tan Shard's close combat attacks......

Hmm, let's say we're trying to take on a MC with the Scarab-Turret™ (to remove its armor via Entropic Strike).
Which ADL gun option would be more likely to wound it?
• Quad Gun (4 twinlinked shots, but can be armor saved)
• Las (can't be armor saved, but only 1 shot... at BS2, very high chance of missing).

Depends entirely on the MC being fired at. Is their armour better than the chance of you missing?

In other words, I'd rather ignore the Riptide's armour than probably make a couple of hits, which are very likely to be saved.

 liquidjoshi wrote:
Depends entirely on the MC being fired at. Is their armour better than the chance of you missing?

In other words, I'd rather ignore the Riptide's armour than probably make a couple of hits, which are very likely to be saved.

True but the quad is much more universal since it can be applied to vehicles and lighter armoured MCs better (not sure on the mathhammers of a thing like a flyrant vs scarab-turret so it may end up being better than a icarus or it may not).

 A GumyBear wrote:

 skoffs wrote:

Otto Weston wrote:
Also it gives them very effective AA without needing to buy flyers or Annihilation Barges

...
Why would any Necron player worth his dice not want to bring Annihilation Barges?

They wouldnt take anni barges so they can buy more spyders to spawn more scarabs so they can have more bodies to keep using the quad gun!

Just imagine 40 of the little buggers swarming around the quad gun all waiting for their turn to kill a stormraven

Okay, did somebody just make Necrons a dedicated horde army...?

 soomemafia wrote:

 A GumyBear wrote:

 skoffs wrote:

Otto Weston wrote:
Also it gives them very effective AA without needing to buy flyers or Annihilation Barges

...
Why would any Necron player worth his dice not want to bring Annihilation Barges?

They wouldnt take anni barges so they can buy more spyders to spawn more scarabs so they can have more bodies to keep using the quad gun!

Just imagine 40 of the little buggers swarming around the quad gun all waiting for their turn to kill a stormraven

Okay, did somebody just make Necrons a dedicated horde army...?

I could have sworn the Scarab Farm tactic has been around for quite a while now.

 skoffs wrote:

 soomemafia wrote:

 A GumyBear wrote:

 skoffs wrote:

Otto Weston wrote:
Also it gives them very effective AA without needing to buy flyers or Annihilation Barges

...
Why would any Necron player worth his dice not want to bring Annihilation Barges?

They wouldnt take anni barges so they can buy more spyders to spawn more scarabs so they can have more bodies to keep using the quad gun!

Just imagine 40 of the little buggers swarming around the quad gun all waiting for their turn to kill a stormraven

Okay, did somebody just make Necrons a dedicated horde army...?

I could have sworn the Scarab Farm tactic has been around for quite a while now.

Well it's likely that I just haven't heard about that yet...

 soomemafia wrote:

 skoffs wrote:

 soomemafia wrote:

 A GumyBear wrote:

 skoffs wrote:

Otto Weston wrote:
Also it gives them very effective AA without needing to buy flyers or Annihilation Barges

...
Why would any Necron player worth his dice not want to bring Annihilation Barges?

They wouldnt take anni barges so they can buy more spyders to spawn more scarabs so they can have more bodies to keep using the quad gun!

Just imagine 40 of the little buggers swarming around the quad gun all waiting for their turn to kill a stormraven

Okay, did somebody just make Necrons a dedicated horde army...?

I could have sworn the Scarab Farm tactic has been around for quite a while now.

Well it's likely that I just haven't heard about that yet...

Ya the scarab farm has been around since the release of the cron dex I think (so late 5th ed) also there is the silver sea for a hordey cron warrior spam that has been around since 3rd edition.

Ok, different army but very closely related stupid question time.

I have read the thread, and as much as I like Necrons, I like Tau just as much ( to bad they are not battle brothers ).

So what about putting a Tau, Sniper Drone Team around the Aegis, with the BS5 Firesight Marksmen next to the gun, and using the drones to peek over the wall?

The entire team gets a +1 to the cover save that the Aegis gives for Stealth, but my math hammer is not so good, so I'm not sure if it would be more advantageous to just snipe or use the gun.


Thoughts?

Well, with that you have the normal BS5 Sniper guns, and then a BS5 Quad Gun as well. (IIRC with a target lock so he can shoot elsewhere if you wish)

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
Wat

That is like... Ehh... Does not make a lot of sense to me.

Obviously the scarabs jump down the barrels of the quad-gun and shoot themselves out.

As a new necron player looking to finally beat my snobby friend's imperial guard, this will be awesome. Can't wait to see his face. hehehehehehehehehe

 Pheonix Lord Asurmen wrote:
As a new necron player looking to finally beat my snobby friend's imperial guard, this will be awesome. Can't wait to see his face. hehehehehehehehehe

You were having trouble against IG?
With 'Crons?
...
Something tells me you should probably brush up on the basics on Necron anti-AV first, before you start resorting to cheese...

 XdeadpoolX wrote:
So I had this idea. As a necron I'm pretty set On anti air. But I have my aegis from my grey knights. And when I boxed it around the quad gun. I realised you can't see scarabs hidden behind it.

Is there something I'm missing. Scarabs firing quad guns into units. Sound cheese even for necrons

A better one is to put your objectives as far away from your deployment as possible. Hide your entire army of warriors (or other troops) behind your ADL and wait for the opponent to advance whilst snap shooting. Then when they get close enough veil out and lol.

Also.. use your flyers (min 3 of) to take out threat's like thunder fire cannons etc.. it really pressures them to advance with 3 x flyers.

 skoffs wrote:
Agreed, this is a dumb abuse of RAW
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Agreed.

If someone pulled this one on me, I would straight up start packing my army up, clearly someone who would try this is not looking for a relaxed fun time imo..

While thus may be RAW I find it hugely questionable. Besides, who has a tough time killing a quad gun in reality? Shoot the gun people!

 Massaen wrote:
While thus may be RAW I find it hugely questionable. Besides, who has a tough time killing a quad gun in reality? Shoot the gun people!

You can't shoot the gun, only the models manning it.
And if you can't see the models because they're so low to the ground?
(hence broken)