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 Wilytank wrote:
I don't know what you all smoke, but this is not a rat.

That came about after GW decided to retcon the Hrud, in the 3rd Edition rulebook the Hrud were shown to be Skaven like creatures.

My main issue with the idea of a Hrud army is that the game mechanics would be slowed. Hrud win the battle by basically sitting in the shadows and watching their enemies disappear into holes in the ground or freak out completely, there would be no frontal fighting.

Also, how would you write the rules for reality itself bending and breaking? There's any number of things that could happen and it's just generally a ridiculous thing to think through.

Aside from this, I will quote; 'hilariously powerful'. As if we need another 'hilariously powerful' army in 40k, which will also be extremely hard to model, provide little diversity (as most Hrud are basically identical) and be ridiculously good on the tabletop.

 Wilytank wrote:
I don't know what you all smoke, but this is not a rat.

Spoiler:

GW isn't concerned with expanding the 40k universe past the tabletop anymore, I think they're afraid of anything they can not explicitly trademark and put a model on the table for. It's part of their new doctrine. It's why all the Tau races that don't have models got swept under the rug in the latest codex, and it's why everything that can be possibly seen in another product (like "Imperial Guard") is being changed to goofy Latin names.

The blurry pictures of this image pissed me off so I made this.

Personally I didn't imagine the Hrud as rat cretures. I assumed that they were some kind of Jawa type creature.

Evil Jawas.

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
My main issue with the idea of a Hrud army is that the game mechanics would be slowed. Hrud win the battle by basically sitting in the shadows and watching their enemies disappear into holes in the ground or freak out completely, there would be no frontal fighting.

Also, how would you write the rules for reality itself bending and breaking? There's any number of things that could happen and it's just generally a ridiculous thing to think through.

Aside from this, I will quote; 'hilariously powerful'. As if we need another 'hilariously powerful' army in 40k, which will also be extremely hard to model, provide little diversity (as most Hrud are basically identical) and be ridiculously good on the tabletop.

Why so?

1) They use plasma weaponary, fusils and close combat. They are good at using other races technology. They are described as assaulting enemy positions and using all sorts of weapons.
2) Reality bending is normal business in 40k. And we already have rules for entropic assaults (Necrons), which can be used without change.
3) They are no more powerful than tyranids, orks, necrons or eldar. Why do you think they are so powerful?
4) "Most Hrud are basically identical". Given than the only two pictures of Hrud are completely different (one is a small rat-like creature and the other a massive lovecraftian monstrosity) I am completely at a loss here. Any source?

 da001 wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
My main issue with the idea of a Hrud army is that the game mechanics would be slowed. Hrud win the battle by basically sitting in the shadows and watching their enemies disappear into holes in the ground or freak out completely, there would be no frontal fighting.

Also, how would you write the rules for reality itself bending and breaking? There's any number of things that could happen and it's just generally a ridiculous thing to think through.

Aside from this, I will quote; 'hilariously powerful'. As if we need another 'hilariously powerful' army in 40k, which will also be extremely hard to model, provide little diversity (as most Hrud are basically identical) and be ridiculously good on the tabletop.

Why so?

1) They use plasma weaponary, fusils and close combat. They are good at using other races technology. They are described as assaulting enemy positions and using all sorts of weapons.
2) Reality bending is normal business in 40k. And we already have rules for entropic assaults (Necrons), which can be used without change.
3) They are no more powerful than tyranids, orks, necrons or eldar. Why do you think they are so powerful?
4) "Most Hrud are basically identical". Given than the only two pictures of Hrud are completely different (one is a small rat-like creature and the other a massive lovecraftian monstrosity) I am completely at a loss here. Any source?

My source for the 'hilariously powerful' is you.
The only reason they're different is because two different artists drew them as an interpretation of the same thing.
Their entire idea is reality bending, this would be very difficult to write for in rules, there would not just be one thing like Entropic Assaults, there'd have to be a lot of things to really fit the theme.
Okay so that's 3 things they have. Do they have HQs? Elites, Troops, Fast Attack and Heavy Support? Do they have variety? Cus from what it seems there are one type of Hrud and they just fly around doing stuff for no reason.

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 da001 wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
My main issue with the idea of a Hrud army is that the game mechanics would be slowed. Hrud win the battle by basically sitting in the shadows and watching their enemies disappear into holes in the ground or freak out completely, there would be no frontal fighting.

Also, how would you write the rules for reality itself bending and breaking? There's any number of things that could happen and it's just generally a ridiculous thing to think through.

Aside from this, I will quote; 'hilariously powerful'. As if we need another 'hilariously powerful' army in 40k, which will also be extremely hard to model, provide little diversity (as most Hrud are basically identical) and be ridiculously good on the tabletop.

Why so?

1) They use plasma weaponary, fusils and close combat. They are good at using other races technology. They are described as assaulting enemy positions and using all sorts of weapons.
2) Reality bending is normal business in 40k. And we already have rules for entropic assaults (Necrons), which can be used without change.
3) They are no more powerful than tyranids, orks, necrons or eldar. Why do you think they are so powerful?
4) "Most Hrud are basically identical". Given than the only two pictures of Hrud are completely different (one is a small rat-like creature and the other a massive lovecraftian monstrosity) I am completely at a loss here. Any source?

My source for the 'hilariously powerful' is you.
The only reason they're different is because two different artists drew them as an interpretation of the same thing.
Their entire idea is reality bending, this would be very difficult to write for in rules, there would not just be one thing like Entropic Assaults, there'd have to be a lot of things to really fit the theme.
Okay so that's 3 things they have. Do they have HQs? Elites, Troops, Fast Attack and Heavy Support? Do they have variety? Cus from what it seems there are one type of Hrud and they just fly around doing stuff for no reason.

Reread the part of the "hilariously powerful". Someone said that the Hrud lacked a proper army, or even leaders or direction. No source given, just a 'feeling' that it should be so because, well... just because. They just "moved aimlessly". I pointed out that it that were true (I don´t think it is, and I am sure there is no source backing it) then they would be "hilariously powerful", since they were able to locally be more than a match for a Chapter of Space Marines, an Eldar Craftworld or an entire Chaos Legion. To believe that this is got by mere 'aimlessly' attacks turn the Hrud into god-like beings. And they serve as mercenaries, trade, use technology (both their own and that of others) and talk, so they are supposed to be intelligent, not some form of 'random force of nature'.

About the "Most Hrud are basically identical".... if there are only two sources about something and both are completely different from one another... how can you say that? You now say: "The only reason they're different is because two different artists drew them as an interpretation of the same thing". Where do you get this from? You talk as if you know something everybody else don´t.... source?

Someone draws a circle.
Another person a square.
And you step in and says: "they are identical". It is some sort of jump of faith?

Now on variety. You are asking for HQ and Fast Options? Are we talking about a Codex? Well, they have no Codex yet. The Necron started in the same place, with a drawing. Look here:

Look at the Hrud. Recognize the thing besides? It is a Necron. That´s how they started: an unknown alien without name, at the right side of the Hrud. Do Necrons lack HQ or Fast Options? At the time of the drawing, the Necrons didn´t even have a name. That´s how all new factions begin. That´s how all creative processes begin.

About the entropic/ reality warping thing.... Read the entry for the C´tan in the Necron Codex, many of their powers are described using the very same words used for the Hrud. And the entropic attacks are already in-game.

 Harriticus wrote:
GW isn't concerned with expanding the 40k universe past the tabletop anymore, I think they're afraid of anything they can not explicitly trademark and put a model on the table for.

It's really more about product dillution.

The reality is that every unique army needs to occupy its own space, otherwise it simply infringes on the sales of another army. Space Marines get away with it because Space Marine models sell far more models tha any other army. But the reality is, we've seen what happens to armies that occupy a similar space to another, already existing, more popular army. They die off (sales wise, not necessarily in-game-wise). Squats and Sisters come to mind.

The reality is for the Hrud to exist on the tabletop, they'd need to occupy a unique space (like the Tau or Necrons did, both of which were "late" additions to 40K). Games Workshop already holds a huge chunk of the market segments they are aiming at. The Tau were an aim at the kids who liked anime/mecha aesthetics, and the ruleset for them put them into a unique place in the tabletop game that didn't exist with an army you could already buy.

For the Hrud to make "sense" (in the manner Games Workshop would be looking for), they'd have to present a product that could penetrate a segment that Games Workshop wasn't already in. A reason why players would purchase the Hrud, instead of something else that GW already sells.

Oooh....Hrud thread again. Looks like I get to break this one out!

 Medium of Death wrote:
The blurry pictures of this image pissed me off so I made this.

Personally I didn't imagine the Hrud as rat cretures. I assumed that they were some kind of Jawa type creature.

Evil Jawas.

Spoiler:

The 2 ideas aren't exclusive.

I mean, who knows what Jawas look like under those cloaks

And the EU has described Jawas as being rodent-like.

I am 100% for evil Jawas too.

I am not for the 'Skaven in space' approach to Hrud. I love Skaven, and I would love to see them in 40k. But they are a chaos-related variation on beastmen. Horribly mutated human / rats. They are not a Xeno species whose god was destroyed by Chaos.

They're so ugly.....