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2014/05/23 16:42:30
Subject: ‘High risk’ label from feds puts gun sellers in banks’ crosshairs, hurts business
LordofHats wrote: Some drugs should stay illegal. Heroine, Meth, LSD, that Russian stuff that literally rots you from the inside out. Legalizing that is madness.
Why LSD?
"So, do please come along when we're promoting something new and need photos for the facebook page or to send to our regional manager, do please engage in our gaming when we're pushing something specific hard and need to get the little kiddies drifting past to want to come in an see what all the fuss is about. But otherwise, stay the feth out, you smelly, antisocial bastards, because we're scared you are going to say something that goes against our mantra of absolute devotion to the corporate motherland and we actually perceive any of you who've been gaming more than a year to be a hostile entity as you've been exposed to the internet and 'dangerous ideas'. " - MeanGreenStompa
"Then someone mentions Infinity and everyone ignores it because no one really plays it." - nkelsch
FREEDOM!!!
- d-usa
2014/05/23 16:43:52
Subject: ‘High risk’ label from feds puts gun sellers in banks’ crosshairs, hurts business
LordofHats wrote: Some drugs should stay illegal. Heroine, Meth, LSD, that Russian stuff that literally rots you from the inside out. Legalizing that is madness.
Why LSD?
Seriously?Do you even know how bad LSD actually is?
Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote: Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote: Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
2014/05/23 16:46:54
Subject: ‘High risk’ label from feds puts gun sellers in banks’ crosshairs, hurts business
LordofHats wrote: Some drugs should stay illegal. Heroine, Meth, LSD, that Russian stuff that literally rots you from the inside out. Legalizing that is madness.
Why LSD?
Seriously?Do you even know how bad LSD actually is?
I guess not, how bad is it?
There have been no documented human deaths from an LSD overdose.[48] It is physiologically well tolerated and there is no evidence for long-lasting physiological effects on the brain or other parts of the human organism.[49]
LSD may temporarily impair the ability to make sensible judgments and understand common dangers, thus making the user more susceptible to accidents and personal injury. It may cause temporary confusion, difficulty with abstract thinking, or signs of impaired memory and attention span.[50]
"So, do please come along when we're promoting something new and need photos for the facebook page or to send to our regional manager, do please engage in our gaming when we're pushing something specific hard and need to get the little kiddies drifting past to want to come in an see what all the fuss is about. But otherwise, stay the feth out, you smelly, antisocial bastards, because we're scared you are going to say something that goes against our mantra of absolute devotion to the corporate motherland and we actually perceive any of you who've been gaming more than a year to be a hostile entity as you've been exposed to the internet and 'dangerous ideas'. " - MeanGreenStompa
"Then someone mentions Infinity and everyone ignores it because no one really plays it." - nkelsch
FREEDOM!!!
- d-usa
2014/05/23 16:56:01
Subject: ‘High risk’ label from feds puts gun sellers in banks’ crosshairs, hurts business
LordofHats wrote: Some drugs should stay illegal. Heroine, Meth, LSD, that Russian stuff that literally rots you from the inside out. Legalizing that is madness.
Why LSD?
Seriously?Do you even know how bad LSD actually is?
I guess not, how bad is it?
There have been no documented human deaths from an LSD overdose.[48] It is physiologically well tolerated and there is no evidence for long-lasting physiological effects on the brain or other parts of the human organism.[49]
LSD may temporarily impair the ability to make sensible judgments and understand common dangers, thus making the user more susceptible to accidents and personal injury. It may cause temporary confusion, difficulty with abstract thinking, or signs of impaired memory and attention span.[50]
LordofHats wrote: Some drugs should stay illegal. Heroine, Meth, LSD, that Russian stuff that literally rots you from the inside out. Legalizing that is madness.
Why LSD?
Seriously?Do you even know how bad LSD actually is?
I guess not, how bad is it?
There have been no documented human deaths from an LSD overdose.[48] It is physiologically well tolerated and there is no evidence for long-lasting physiological effects on the brain or other parts of the human organism.[49]
LSD may temporarily impair the ability to make sensible judgments and understand common dangers, thus making the user more susceptible to accidents and personal injury. It may cause temporary confusion, difficulty with abstract thinking, or signs of impaired memory and attention span.[50]
Am I thinking about the wrong drug? What is that drug that is essentially made out of whatever can go in it?
That might be the Russian stuff you're thinking about, Krokodil. They put stuff like straight up gasoline in that. LSD is acid, the friend of the hippy for decades!
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"So, do please come along when we're promoting something new and need photos for the facebook page or to send to our regional manager, do please engage in our gaming when we're pushing something specific hard and need to get the little kiddies drifting past to want to come in an see what all the fuss is about. But otherwise, stay the feth out, you smelly, antisocial bastards, because we're scared you are going to say something that goes against our mantra of absolute devotion to the corporate motherland and we actually perceive any of you who've been gaming more than a year to be a hostile entity as you've been exposed to the internet and 'dangerous ideas'. " - MeanGreenStompa
"Then someone mentions Infinity and everyone ignores it because no one really plays it." - nkelsch
FREEDOM!!!
- d-usa
2014/05/23 17:13:51
Subject: ‘High risk’ label from feds puts gun sellers in banks’ crosshairs, hurts business
d-usa wrote: LSD doesn't mess you up as much as you will mess up everyone you deal with while you are high.
That's why my house is set up to be nice and tranquil for tripping purposes! Why go to the unpredictability of outside when you can experience the whole universe in your house!
"So, do please come along when we're promoting something new and need photos for the facebook page or to send to our regional manager, do please engage in our gaming when we're pushing something specific hard and need to get the little kiddies drifting past to want to come in an see what all the fuss is about. But otherwise, stay the feth out, you smelly, antisocial bastards, because we're scared you are going to say something that goes against our mantra of absolute devotion to the corporate motherland and we actually perceive any of you who've been gaming more than a year to be a hostile entity as you've been exposed to the internet and 'dangerous ideas'. " - MeanGreenStompa
"Then someone mentions Infinity and everyone ignores it because no one really plays it." - nkelsch
FREEDOM!!!
- d-usa
2014/05/23 18:15:44
Subject: ‘High risk’ label from feds puts gun sellers in banks’ crosshairs, hurts business
d-usa wrote: LSD doesn't mess you up as much as you will mess up everyone you deal with while you are high.
That's why my house is set up to be nice and tranquil for tripping purposes! Why go to the unpredictability of outside when you can experience the whole universe in your house!
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2014/05/23 18:53:59
Subject: ‘High risk’ label from feds puts gun sellers in banks’ crosshairs, hurts business
whembly wrote: Fun fact... Elephant tranquilizer is in face PCP when used on humans.
Speaking of elephants and LSD:
While I'm not a scientist, I have read that LSD was the drug used in putting housecats down, so those articles make me wonder if the body/mind of an elephant is closer to that of felines than we thought?
2014/05/23 19:51:22
Subject: Re:‘High risk’ label from feds puts gun sellers in banks’ crosshairs, hurts business
I was under the impression LSD could fry your brain XD
My basic point is that I don't care much about drugs that will kill you eventually. People drink alcohol and die of liver failure 50 years later all the time. Meth seriously feths people up. I've seen what that gak can do to a human being in a very short time and its terrible. Krokodil is insane. No idea why anyone would willingly take that stuff.
It also has the benefit that legalizing the entry drugs puts them out in the open. We can get people with serious problems help more easily because the fear of legal punishment is removed and thus the number of people moving onto harder stuff can go down.
Sec. 554. None of the funds made available in this Act may be used to carry out Operation Choke Point.
Passed by 204 Republicans and 117 Democrats. That's about as bipartisan as you can get in the House.
Operation Choke Point being
The program was started in 2013 to protect consumers by “choking” alleged fraudsters’ access to the banking system. The Justice Department essentially forces banks and third-party payment processors to stop accepting payments from companies that are considered “high risk” and are supposedly violating federal law.
However, the documents released by Issa’s committee show the federal government lumped the firearms industry in with other "high-risk" businesses including those dealing with pornography, drug paraphernalia, escort services, racist materials, Ponzi schemes and online gambling.
"So, do please come along when we're promoting something new and need photos for the facebook page or to send to our regional manager, do please engage in our gaming when we're pushing something specific hard and need to get the little kiddies drifting past to want to come in an see what all the fuss is about. But otherwise, stay the feth out, you smelly, antisocial bastards, because we're scared you are going to say something that goes against our mantra of absolute devotion to the corporate motherland and we actually perceive any of you who've been gaming more than a year to be a hostile entity as you've been exposed to the internet and 'dangerous ideas'. " - MeanGreenStompa
"Then someone mentions Infinity and everyone ignores it because no one really plays it." - nkelsch
FREEDOM!!!
- d-usa
2014/06/03 17:05:00
Subject: Re:‘High risk’ label from feds puts gun sellers in banks’ crosshairs, hurts business
The program was started in 2013 to protect consumers by “choking” alleged fraudsters’ access to the banking system. The Justice Department essentially forces banks and third-party payment processors to stop accepting payments from companies that are considered “high risk” and are supposedly violating federal law.
However, the documents released by Issa’s committee show the federal government lumped the firearms industry in with other "high-risk" businesses including those dealing with pornography, drug paraphernalia, escort services, racist materials, Ponzi schemes and online gambling.
I thought the new "PC" term for Ponzi scheme was "Multi-Level Marketing"
2014/06/03 17:36:29
Subject: ‘High risk’ label from feds puts gun sellers in banks’ crosshairs, hurts business
Sec. 554. None of the funds made available in this Act may be used to carry out Operation Choke Point.
Passed by 204 Republicans and 117 Democrats. That's about as bipartisan as you can get in the House.
Operation Choke Point being
The program was started in 2013 to protect consumers by “choking” alleged fraudsters’ access to the banking system. The Justice Department essentially forces banks and third-party payment processors to stop accepting payments from companies that are considered “high risk” and are supposedly violating federal law.
However, the documents released by Issa’s committee show the federal government lumped the firearms industry in with other "high-risk" businesses including those dealing with pornography, drug paraphernalia, escort services, racist materials, Ponzi schemes and online gambling.
Grey Templar wrote: The instant that money enters a bank with branches in multiple states it becomes Interstate commerce, and thus subject to federal regulation.
Is the ISC clause overreaching? Yeah.
But I am opposed to drugs of any kind being legalized, with exceptions for real medical needs for pain relief. And no, moderate arthritis and migraines shouldn't allow a doctor to give you a pot license.
It should be very severe things. Like chronic back pain which cannot be treated by other means. It should also be distributed like other medical drugs, not grown by the patient.
Actually it could be run as a private financial institution and be fine.
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2014/06/03 18:41:58
Subject: Re:‘High risk’ label from feds puts gun sellers in banks’ crosshairs, hurts business
d-usa wrote: That bill is so specific that it is one "Operation Asphyxia Button" away from being worthless...
So... you saying Congress can't/shouldn't do these things?
I'm just saying that it's business as usual, nothing will change, the feds will be able to continue to do what they are already doing simply by giving it another name (if their solution really is as simplistic as "no money for Operation Choke Point"), but both parties get pretend they did something and pander to their constituents who are apparently falling for it left and right (pun intended).
2014/06/03 18:49:59
Subject: Re:‘High risk’ label from feds puts gun sellers in banks’ crosshairs, hurts business
d-usa wrote: That bill is so specific that it is one "Operation Asphyxia Button" away from being worthless...
So... you saying Congress can't/shouldn't do these things?
I'm just saying that it's business as usual, nothing will change, the feds will be able to continue to do what they are already doing simply by giving it another name (if their solution really is as simplistic as "no money for Operation Choke Point"), but both parties get pretend they did something and pander to their constituents who are apparently falling for it left and right (pun intended).
Ah... fair enough. I agree with that assessment.
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2014/06/03 18:57:03
Subject: Re:‘High risk’ label from feds puts gun sellers in banks’ crosshairs, hurts business
If they weren't legit businesses, then government could just use existing laws to just arrest the business owner.
The idea with Operation Chokepoint is to target businesses that have a legit front, but are heavily involved in crime in the back end. Payday loans, for instance, are legal, but the industry is full of connections to organised crime as it is a great way of moving stolen goods and laundering money. Most of the others it shouldn't be too hard to figure out how those industries tend towards criminal behaviour.
What government is doing is telling banks to track and record the transfers made by businesses in those industry, so government can better understand how money is moving through those companies, as it might raise a red flag or be useful evidence in building a case against those companies.
Now, that plan is controversial for fairly obvious reasons, and ultimately I'm not sure where I stand on it, but it is worth noting that in a lot of ways its actually a refinement of previous legal obligations on banks.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2014/06/04 03:54:10
Subject: ‘High risk’ label from feds puts gun sellers in banks’ crosshairs, hurts business
Orlanth wrote: People are complaining that postal sales of guns are 'heavily regulated'.
The horror, now if it was something dangerous like milk, or tampons or toothpaste then I could understand heavy regulation, but guns; why, what could possibly go wrong?
A Brit for gun control?
Brits are mostly for gun control, some went way too far.
The correct legislation came in after Hungerford, the knee jerk legislation came in after Dunblane. It was entirely politically motivated, dogmatised and stigmatised gun ownership in the UK. It also directly and indirectly led to rise in gun related crime.
The US is still too laise faire on gun control though. Methinks if you took a halfway point between the Blairites and the NRA you would get some fairly decent gun laws.
I have to say, though, alcohol kills far more people than guns in the course of a year, even if you don't take into account the ones killed in traffic accidents or the statistics that show 2 out of 3 cases of domestic and child abuse are alcohol related. Should distillers and brewers not be allowed to bank?
2014/06/04 03:57:34
Subject: ‘High risk’ label from feds puts gun sellers in banks’ crosshairs, hurts business
I have to say, though, alcohol kills far more people than guns in the course of a year, even if you don't take into account the ones killed in traffic accidents or the statistics that show 2 out of 3 cases of domestic and child abuse are alcohol related. Should distillers and brewers not be allowed to bank?
That would effectively shut down entire counties of the US, as there are places in (especially) Kentucky and Tennessee whose ONLY money making is whiskey.
2014/06/04 04:28:12
Subject: ‘High risk’ label from feds puts gun sellers in banks’ crosshairs, hurts business
Relapse wrote: I have to say, though, alcohol kills far more people than guns in the course of a year, even if you don't take into account the ones killed in traffic accidents or the statistics that show 2 out of 3 cases of domestic and child abuse are alcohol related. Should distillers and brewers not be allowed to bank?
First up - holy gak we've the alcohol vs guns thing so many damn times already.
Second up, gun and ammo retailers are allowed to bank. The issue is that the industry as a whole has been flagged as having connections to criminal behaviour (and it really, really shouldn't be too hard to figure out why that is the case), and that's led to the industry getting flagged for additional scrutiny of their banking records, and in some cases the additional requirements on banks are enough that banks aren't bothering to work with some retailers. Now, that's problematic and there's plenty of scope in it to argue against the Federal program, but to describe it as not being allowed to bank is just plain wrong, and does nothing to advance the conversation.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2014/06/04 05:44:21
Subject: ‘High risk’ label from feds puts gun sellers in banks’ crosshairs, hurts business
Relapse wrote: I have to say, though, alcohol kills far more people than guns in the course of a year, even if you don't take into account the ones killed in traffic accidents or the statistics that show 2 out of 3 cases of domestic and child abuse are alcohol related. Should distillers and brewers not be allowed to bank?
First up - holy gak we've the alcohol vs guns thing so many damn times already.
Second up, gun and ammo retailers are allowed to bank. The issue is that the industry as a whole has been flagged as having connections to criminal behaviour (and it really, really shouldn't be too hard to figure out why that is the case), and that's led to the industry getting flagged for additional scrutiny of their banking records, and in some cases the additional requirements on banks are enough that banks aren't bothering to work with some retailers. Now, that's problematic and there's plenty of scope in it to argue against the Federal program, but to describe it as not being allowed to bank is just plain wrong, and does nothing to advance the conversation.
It shouldn't matter how many times it's brought up, since the comparison in hazard seems apt. Bullets and guns are said to have connections to criminal behavior, but it's a series of CDC statistics that alcohol has huge connections to criminal behavior.
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