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the ancient wrote:
Ok ill give 50 kazbillion dorahs to anyone that thinks they could guide and advise 20 sons, spread around the world, let alone universe. Whom you didnt meet till they were 20ish, and barely see after.
Yeah you told me to do what! haha thats going to go well.

Besides maybe it did turn out the way he wanted.

The problem isn't that he didn't keep every son perfectly happy. The problem is that there are numerous instances where he did the exact WORST thing and made NOBODY happy. Times when he could have helped out, could have made things better with minimal effort on his part (saving Angron's buddies, not tormenting Lorgar over a mistake he didn't even know not to do, not sending frakking Russ after Magnus) but didn't. Things that any normal person can glance at and say, "Wow, that was just STUPID." I've listed several more specific examples in previous posts. And every time, he never explained anything or made any attempts to make amends. His response to those he pissed off was, "I'm the Emprah, deal wit it ." So half his sons got together and dealt with it. The Emperor didn't give half a crap about what anyone else thought because he was sure he was untouchable. Horus and co. proved him wrong. We could even look at the Emperor's insistence on getting face to face with Horus instead of blasting his ship as him finally owning up to how badly he'd screwed up with his sons, and trying to take some measure of responsibility for it.

And to a previous poster, I doubt the Emperor wanted things the way they are now. If he wanted to be worshiped as a god in a society consumed by superstition and religion, why did he take such violent measures to eliminate religion and superstition and stop people from worshiping him as a god? No, my theory is that if anyone wanted it to turn out this way, it was the Chaos Gods, particularly Tzeentch. Chaos is thriving in the 41st millennium, thanks to all the fear, bloodshed, repression, political maneuvering, famine, sickness, etc, etc, that the Imperium causes.

 Pada wrote:
Emperor isnt human, more like a human-Deamon or humunoclous whith phycic abilities, if you consider that he birthed from a ritual that sacrified psykers.so has superior complex like deamons have.That why he didnt liked religion , as that would me that was inferior ( so whith him humanity) to the God , thats why he didnt want thousand sons do sorcery as they will learn how make an Emperoe ( i havent read all HH novels so for that last one im not 100% sure , he may had other reasons).And as you know , none Chaos God says that is inferior to other thats why they called gods after all

It wasn't just psykers that birthed The Emperor. The Shamans were a race of powerful psykers who were immortal due to reincarnating after death. When their reincarnation circle stopped, they basically committed mass suicide and reincarnated into a single "super-Shaman", The Emperor. You can't just mash any random psykers together to make "an Emperor".

The Emperor hated religion because it is a path to empowering the Chaos Gods. He did not deal with this problem in any way other than simply crushing religion where ever he found it. He didn't want Magnus to use magic because magic is dangerous, but The Emperor didn't tell him why. Magnus had no idea that his sorcery was linked to dark and terrible Gods. However, like a Space Marine Librarian, The Emperor should have given Magnus training, taught him to shield himself from the very real dangers of the Warp and use his magic safely. Instead, he simply told his son that he's not allowed to use his favourite talent that his life revolves around - and if he does, he'll kill him. Such a good father.

 Frozen Ocean wrote:

 Pada wrote:
Emperor isnt human, more like a human-Deamon or humunoclous whith phycic abilities, if you consider that he birthed from a ritual that sacrified psykers.so has superior complex like deamons have.That why he didnt liked religion , as that would me that was inferior ( so whith him humanity) to the God , thats why he didnt want thousand sons do sorcery as they will learn how make an Emperoe ( i havent read all HH novels so for that last one im not 100% sure , he may had other reasons).And as you know , none Chaos God says that is inferior to other thats why they called gods after all

It wasn't just psykers that birthed The Emperor. The Shamans were a race of powerful psykers who were immortal due to reincarnating after death. When their reincarnation circle stopped, they basically committed mass suicide and reincarnated into a single "super-Shaman", The Emperor. You can't just mash any random psykers together to make "an Emperor".

still not a normal human but more near to a God

Even as simple as making the fortification of Terra a joint impirial fist/iron warrior project.

Competing designs, the best of both rolled into one plan of fortification. May have few arguments before done but then peturbo is no longer the minor son but given a chance to excel.

Not just a detachment or meat grinder.

On the topic of superiority, I've always viewed the Emperor boarding Horus's ship as a sign of supreme arrogance. Taking on your most powerful enemy, on his own turf, when all the advantages are in his favour? He consistently makes terrible decisions, appears to believe that he can change basic human nature because 'I'm the Emperor of mankind', and removes himself entirely from his sons. 'Hey, here, have an army, go conquer, see you in... yeah', without paying any attention to them as people. The Sons he spent the most time with were the ones who needed it least. Horus and Sanguinius were both the good children. Corax, Lion, Horus, Sanguinius and Guilliman could all have been sent off pretty much at once, but instead he chose to send off, offend and actively punish the Sons who needed him most. The Emperor most definitely had a superiority complex. 'The Last Church' is a good one of showing the Emperor in a less then perfect light.

EDIT: Spelling and grammar.

I believe the emperor was exactly what he chastised Lorgar for, A god in denial, so focused on his grand plan, that he didn't want to be disturbed, by these petty things.

I think that he was so above us, that he had lost touch with humanity, that is why he made these decisions without thinking of emotional consequences.

Farseer Anath'lan wrote:
On the topic of superiority, I've always viewed the Emperor boarding Horus's ship as a sign of supreme arrogance. Taking on your most powerful enemy, on his own turf, when all the advantages are in his favour?

The alternative was to wait for death while Chaos overrun the place and kills everybody.

Since he couldn't possibly know about the loyalists coming, there wasn't much other options available I guess.

 Judge Dredd wrote:

Farseer Anath'lan wrote:
On the topic of superiority, I've always viewed the Emperor boarding Horus's ship as a sign of supreme arrogance. Taking on your most powerful enemy, on his own turf, when all the advantages are in his favour?

The alternative was to wait for death while Chaos overrun the place and kills everybody.

Since he couldn't possibly know about the loyalists coming, there wasn't much other options available I guess.

Thats the thing though, he was in a losing position and all of a sudden Horus wants to go one on one and risk everything?

Of course the "invitation" screamed trap from everything.

But at the moment there still wasn't any other rational option than taking the gamble and hoping Horus just wanted to best him one on one; to make the image of his win a powerful icon for the ages to come.

Unfortunately for them, it played out in a way they both lost in the end.

Well, duh! He killed millions of "inferior" races, and reduced the humans to servitude, and created exactly 1000000 genetically engineered killing machines. Reminds me of a universal dictator.

Competing designs, the best of both rolled into one plan of fortification. May have few arguments before done but then peturbo is no longer the minor son but given a chance to excel.

That is how the city streets of Seattle were designed.

They're fething terrible, and the Emperor knew that wouldn't work.

Perturabo's failure is in misplaced angst, and taking a comment from his brother a bit too personally given the situation. Of all the Traitors, he is, perhaps, the one with the least-supported cause for siding with Chaos.