SW, Ork, and GK players: Does your experience match all the internet commentary?

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**Anpu42**

Apple fox wrote:

Spoiler:

Fenris Frost wrote:
Things like how a HQ leads and army, what a fast attack unit should achieve on the battle field and what do troops do that nothing other will do a player has access to. And encourage players to take elements from all places for there use and needs one the battlefield rather than just there points to power.
This is exactly what is happening now.

The reason your GK don't work is because they are now designed exactly like an army of overly elite soldiers. You're outnumbered and outgunned every time you hit the table and are best when paired with a conventional ally, 100% to the fluff AND a full throw-back to the original Daemon Hunters dex's style back in 4E.

I don't really think these complaints hold water, this edition has more content and more options for army construction than ever before. And everyone who built a one-trick pony army like the ones I mentioned earlier SHOULD expect this to happen at some point...it's in GW's interest to keep each army varied and interesting and it has never behooved them to sell you a few boxes of Purifiers while the rest of the product line collects dust.

If you play anything like that -- a death star, a list with 750 points in one uber unit, or an army that depends entirely on its' HQ trick to succeed -- you should 100% expect the changes. When that happens, it is a mistake -- GW is correcting them now as they roll through the books.

I get being disappointed that you "need" to buy more, but you really don't -- you just want to, because you don't change your list with the times. I also don't think you really should be able to buy 5 boxes and be set for life either (I know, I'm in the minority on that).

I know you say "it won't work" and that it is not in your control but it absolutely is, and you are just basically saying "In order to have the army I want it would cost money and I don't want to bother paying any more money."

EDIT: I don't mean to beleaguer your disappointment. It just used to be a lot worse. Imagine if the other elements from the GK codex were literally gone forever. Codex Inquisition and Codex Grey Knights fill a good gap and the way the product is now, at least we have options!

I really do not think they are at all, they put new stuff in. But ad very little to the game. I have never play with a death star before, and I don't think buying a single army that I play forever. But the changes they made didn't add anything I can use, or anything I wanted. All they did was take away.
I even like the style that GK have, which the last codex worked for me to achieve it.
When I say need to buy more, it's because GW have offer nothing to make me Want to buy more. When you say more options I don't think GW ad much at all, they have simply removed an option and with it the entire list I used. (Which was all currently painted and as I work on other projects) fell apart, I am removing things to ad in what I am now needing. This must be done before I can explore the options presented.
But I will say this, I don't think the codex is bad, but I don't think it's good ether. I think at it's price and GW position it should be much more.

A symptom of a game in a bad place. In the end I get every option GW try's to ad better in other places. Why pay more for a codex that ads nothing to my experience when I have been waiting for It to be released with anticipation.

I do not recall a single Codex Release that did not require some modification to my old list/models at the time it happened. I could play my Space Wolves using my old List/Models, but with the current price drops I end up with more points to spend. Then adding in a new unit with the points changes my old ones change in how they operate and I then that leads to more changes. It is just the ways things are.
Remember the only constant is change. That and I use the USMC Motto with every new Codex: Adapt and Overcome.

**Apple fox**

I like change.

But change is not always progress.

I haven't had to adapt and overcome, it's only a spend more money on stuff to keep going for me.
In the end for me, it's a very hollow update that I will neglect for other stuff in the hobby.
Not really a big deal for me, possibly more for the players I used to play with.

but likely sleep soon so last post most likely.

But I don't think the codexes them selves are bad, but the support the system provides is getting thin.