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Raven Guard: Sweet black/white colours, tactical and clever tactics and actually *gasp* use their Scouts for anything useful! They are defenders of the misused and the defenseless to this day, and so go with...

Salamanders: Not much for their iconography and colours, but I love their style - Heavy, hammering and hardy! Real bros, too.

Ultramarines: The Marine Marines, you can't discount the originals Has moral complexety, identity problems and get nothing but gak for their bettering of the Imperium... Nice colour scheme, if a bit base.

Raptors: Surprise melon-fethers! in superhuman cans. Boring colourscheme, though.

Grey Knights: My favourite models. Again, moral complexety, because they defend the Imperium by doing anything - ANYTHING - to stop the daemonic... I like that. Also, paladins in space.

Defenders of the Covenant: Almost unknown, one of my favourites. Very academic and wears red robes.

Blood Angels: I have something for the angelic, and these guys do it best! The blood motif is good for contrast and makes them stand out in a distance, compared to, say, Iron Fists.

Lost Sons Chapter

I made up their own fluff:

Basically they were a large legion detachement on a mission, then heresy kicked off. While trying to get back to Terra to defend humanity and their beloved emperor they got waylaid in the warp and by miraculously surviving the warp storm, they managed to make it out... But only to find their beloved emperor long entombed in the golden throne for thousands of years. As such they headed straight for the EOT to hunt down the rebellious swine hiding within. Never stopping. Never ending. Never resting. Until all heretics are dead at their feet and the wrongs of old put right...

If I had to pick one of actual "official" chapters it would have to be DA because they were the first, and they have "secrets"..

Also, I like bathrobes. Shoot me.

Cool discussion so far. I was asking if there was a company breakdown of each squad names and load out for any chapter

Talons of Anathrax.

We don't really have anything apart from their name, but it suggests a fast-moving, hard-hitting chapter (Talons you know, birds of prey, all that...) striking from several different directions at once.
And we know that Anathrax is a Daemon world in the eye from the CSM codex, and that Anathrax himself is Daemon Prince of Nurgle that can attack all around the galaxy, and not just in the eye (see the Crusade of Fire campaign).

Sadly, IA 2 second editions mentions a Fire Hawks contemptor dread that apparently participated in the purginf of the Argent Hammers (the old name of the Talons before they fell to Chaos).
:( That made my homebrew fluff a bit complicated, to say the least.
We just presume that they split up, kinda like the World Eaters, and that each company does their thing to corrupt and destroy the Imperium of Man, in the name of Nurgle himself!
But still using space marine tactics and rapid assaults, as their tactical sense didn't rot away with their brains

Fire Hawks, because they all dead and came back as the Legion of the Damned.

 hellpato wrote:
Fire Hawks, because they all dead and came back as the Legion of the Damned.

Wait, really?
Because (like I just said earlier), I had always believed that the Fire Hawks still existed, right?
Because seeinf as FW said that they existed to kill some heretics in M37 (the talons of Anathrax), and I had always believed that the Legion of the Damned were waaaaay older.

Am I wrong, or is this just another case of GW screwing up?

Imperial Propaganda.

Black Templars. To hell with your "Chapter" crap, we'll just cruise around space in a bunch of armadas so you don't know how many of us there are and keep our legion numbers, thank you.
Plus we're bloodthirsty maniac monks that aren't LITERALLY bloodthirsty (looking at you, BAs).

Angry Marines first and foremost. They have Power feet, power bats, power pipes, power 2x4..you get the idea. their tanks shoot angry marines to get into battle faster. Just an all around awesome chapter. Besides, how can you say no to this guy

For legit cannon chapters I love the Imperial Fists, Even if Dorn had anger issues.

Even though I know it's not true, I'm voting for vampires in spess.

 Talon of Anathrax wrote:

 hellpato wrote:
Fire Hawks, because they all dead and came back as the Legion of the Damned.

Wait, really?
Because (like I just said earlier), I had always believed that the Fire Hawks still existed, right?
Because seeinf as FW said that they existed to kill some heretics in M37 (the talons of Anathrax), and I had always believed that the Legion of the Damned were waaaaay older.

Am I wrong, or is this just another case of GW screwing up?

Google and warhammer 40k wiki is your best friend

I am just a bit partial so... Dark Angels ofcourse... the fluff is AWESOME! O like that they are hardcore, somewhat crazy and have quite a bit of a dark side.

But as a second choice I think that Ultramarines have got a bad rep for no reason. They are awesome too. Little too much lawful good though

for fun, I'll bite

 Tigramans wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:
I'm assuming this means besides the Ultramarines who...
Literally wrote the book on being marines

...Which limits the use of battle-brothers' brain cells, and split the Astartes into barely capable tiny self-sustained armies, which have a full responsibility of their whereabouts. That's why we've got many chapters here and there either turning renegade, or outright start worshiping chaos gods, when there's no centralised system behind all this.
The book has some nice general rules about warfare, but to punctuate its every word and MANDATE it to every chapter, telling how to live and how to think and act as an Astartes? Please no. That's what I dislike in Ultramarines; some of them are just prancing by-the-book pricks. When they spot a chapter, which isn't fully/mostly codex-compliant, their jimmies get rustled.

you mean which limits disasters like the Badab War and kept the marines viable units that when the 10% go bad, the other 90% can put them down and move on?
For every Cato Sicarius (exactly like the historical Cato Minor that he's based off of), there's a Marneus Calgar (also like his historical counterpart, Gaius Marius) who allows innovation, expansions and revision (he did create a new 1st Company that completely breaks traditional codex organization).

Someone has to police the police afterall, and who besides the Ultras has the power to do so, and a reputation for both compassion and administration?

 Lobukia wrote:
Twice saved, ruled, the entire Imperium and then nobly gave it back

...But never defended Terra. Son of Dorn is angry of your arrogance.

Saved the Imperium.... reconquered the vast majority of lost territory, and notably didn't foster a strategy that put the enemy at the gates... way to go Dorn

 Lobukia wrote:
Along with loyal successors, control over 500 productive worlds, and individually have 5 planets; including a Forgeworld and an Inquisitorial fortress world

That's mostly because Guilliman decided to promote himself temporarily as the Lord Commander of the Imperium (vice-Emperor), when the dusts of Horus Heresy began to disperse.
The 500 worlds they originally had, was because the Ultramarines had THE largest legion during the Crusade, and thus had plenty of time to micromanage the worlds under Imperial compliance.

Just saying, we had the 500 worlds before the big E gave us the largest legion... maybe because we deserved it?

 Lobukia wrote:
Host the most prestigious marine war college at the Fortress of Hera, which regularly trains the captains of almost 300 chapters

...Of which most - or possibly all - are Ultramarines descendants, which also happen to be spread nearby Macragge. I don't see anything incredible here.

Far enough, but in 10,000 years nobody's done it better

 Lobukia wrote:
Blunted a major tyranid hive fleet... twice

In the first battle, the Ultramarines got a massive aid from Blood Angels, don't forget their honourable assistance!
In the second, while Calgar was doing glory-hungry duel with the Swarmlord, the allied Astartes got wiped out. Scythes of the Emperor, and Lamenters, to be exact. Thanks, guys.

 Lobukia wrote:
Have the closest to perfect geneseed known to the marines

*audible snickering of Red Scorpions Apothecary*

Wait, what? The RS have a gland that doesn't function correctly, are forbidding anyone outside their favorite Inquisitor to even see their geneseed, and have only their own belief and claims to purity to back up any claim at a purer geneseed. At best they have a faulty geneseed that is 5% more stable than the Ultramarine's... which is still less faulty than their's and doesn't give people the spits and paranoia.

 Lobukia wrote:
Killed more traitor Primarchs than any other legion

Citation needed? Who else, besides the rumoured Alpharius?
Fulgrim KO'd two primarchs (Gorgon & Guilliman), and his primarch killcount is considered the highest at the moment.

Well I said "traitor Primarch", I'll have to find it, but there's a short story somewhere with Omegon furious in 40k that the Ultras killed bro in 30k... I seriously need to find this in my library, as this comes up a lot. This is a thread on chapters, so Fulgrim (who was possessed once, and a daemon prince the other time) isn't in the running. I should not that Guilliman went toe to toe with Konrad, Angron, ascended Lorgor, and Alpharius (so far) and could claim at worst a draw each time and certainly some victories.

 Lobukia wrote:
Host the most pleasant government in the Imperium to live under

YMMV

no arguement

 Lobukia wrote:
Are allowed to maintain their own auxiliary fleets and guard regiments

Because First Founding, and Guilliman's Lord Commander hijinks.

Success has its perks... especially when mopping up others' failures... again, and again, and again

 Lobukia wrote:
Plus are cool blue Romans in space?

...Like many of the other chapters are - at least influenced by?

Yeah, but these guys are the 13th (that'd be Caesar's personal veterans) and are a direct graft of late Republic Rome. Someone seriously did their history work when making the UM fluff. I won't go through it all, but these guys are pure Rome... which I like (MA in Roman history and such).

***

Oh yeah, my favourite chapter?
Black Templars:
- Angry, manly crusading chapter which respects the ways of the grand old days (almost as numerable as a small legion, still follows the edicts of Nikaea)
- Codex Astartes? What Codex Astartes?
- Massive melee-hordes everywhere, I love it!
- Marshals - leaders of hundreds of battle-brothers, dozens of veterans, and usually more than one or two BATTLESHIPS. The codex-compliant captain WISHES he had so much honour and power!
- Both during and after the battle, they're humble as heck.
- They don't comprehend the term "rest". Their crusades end only when the whole galaxy belongs to the Emperor. The Imperial Fists - their very father-chapter - are STRUGGLING to keep up with their pace.

 hellpato wrote:

 Talon of Anathrax wrote:

 hellpato wrote:
Fire Hawks, because they all dead and came back as the Legion of the Damned.

Wait, really?
Because (like I just said earlier), I had always believed that the Fire Hawks still existed, right?
Because seeinf as FW said that they existed to kill some heretics in M37 (the talons of Anathrax), and I had always believed that the Legion of the Damned were waaaaay older.

Am I wrong, or is this just another case of GW screwing up?

Google and warhammer 40k wiki is your best friend

Yeah, you're right
I misread Red Talons for Fire Hawks somehow, it must be the lack of sleep in my cave.
Must... Turn... off... Internet...

 Lobukia wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:
Plus are cool blue Romans in space?

...Like many of the other chapters are - at least influenced by?

Yeah, but these guys are the 13th (that'd be Caesar's personal veterans) and are a direct graft of late Republic Rome. Someone seriously did their history work when making the UM fluff. I won't go through it all, but these guys are pure Rome... which I like (MA in Roman history and such).

The 13th was the legion that accompanied Caesar across the Rubicon, and were one of his veteran legions at the time.

However, the 13th was not one of his original legions (VII, VIII, IX Hispana, X) or from his first levy (XI, XII), nor his personal preferred legion (X).

The 10th Legion would have been a much more fitting spot for the Ultramarines, given Caesar's preference to the 10th.

Their 'history work' could have been a bit more thorough, although it is nice to see a little thought about it.


Edit: forgot to put my opinion in!

The Salamanders are the most awesome chapter IMO.

That they protect the weak, live alongside people in Nocturne, and their overall focus on smithing, from flamers to hammers to customized weapons are the main reasons my opinion is so.

Is there a source listing all known "legit" (Pff) canon chapters ?
I never played marines for the record

Black Templars.

Followed by Imperial Fists.

White Consuls
-they live right on the doorstep of the eye of terror
-there loyal to the point of worshiping the emperor as a god
-poked Kairos Fateweaver's beady eyes out,bashed his heads together and hurled him back into the warp,just for the fun of it
-they're pretty nice guys by all accounts

 Argive wrote:
Is there a source listing all known "legit" (Pff) canon chapters ?
I never played marines for the record

Lexicanum.

 HeroeJuice wrote:
White Consuls
-they live right on the doorstep of the eye of terror
-there loyal to the point of worshiping the emperor as a god
-poked Kairos Fateweaver's beady eyes out,bashed his heads together and hurled him back into the warp,just for the fun of it
-they're pretty nice guys by all accounts

And turned back the Word Bearers largest post heresy incursion. What I expect from Sons of Guilliman.


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Windchild wrote:

The 10th Legion would have been a much more fitting spot for the Ultramarines, given Caesar's preference to the 10th.

I get your point, but the 13th were the beginning of something new at the Rubicon and of the reformed legions they went everywhere and did everything. Much more fitting for the UM. Plus the 10th started as a mounted unit. Not a fitting UM legacy. Maybe Ferrus and Khan should have been switched.

Space wolves because:
-Logan Grimnar know insults that would make blush an ork, and throw them all to the inqusition.
-And Logan is one of the most charismatic and beloved heroes of the impire, where others feel like blue gods of war , Logan instead like to get drunk and eat beside all his battle brothers, and instead of giving medals or shining junk, he just give a clap on the back and puff, you are know a wolf guard, just a great and wise leader.
-They really fight for the little guy, alongside with the salamanders and the raven guard (also two of the best chapters) they stand their ground for the people, where others chapters choose to secured militar objetives only (cought ultrmarines cought) and leave the defence of the people to the dying planetary defence army, the wolves, ravens and dragons stand their ground where they belong, right besides the poeple they swore protect.
-Because where other chapter give their renagades (read here, marines who think outside the box) to martial judgent to recieve punishment (cought the ultramarines againts Uriel Ventris cought) or give their own people to the inquisition becuase they show a new ability against chaos (cought ultramarines againts captain Titus cought) the space wolves give the chance to remedy their mistake (Ragnar sent to Terra as a Wolfblade, to learn about politics and the institutions, making new allies) or promote them when they decide to disobey an order in favor to save more civilians...
-Almost forget it, they give the finger to the inquisition and the space nuns

 Lobukia wrote:

Windchild wrote:

The 10th Legion would have been a much more fitting spot for the Ultramarines, given Caesar's preference to the 10th.

I get your point, but the 13th were the beginning of something new at the Rubicon and of the reformed legions they went everywhere and did everything. Much more fitting for the UM. Plus the 10th started as a mounted unit. Not a fitting UM legacy. Maybe Ferrus and Khan should have been switched.

The 10th earned the nickname Equestris following a ruse where Caesar had them mounted as his bodyguard during a parlay.

They were not originally a mounted unit, just mounted due to the aforementioned ruse.

 Jimsolo wrote:
Salamanders. They crashed a ship into f--ing Commorragh and lived to talk about it.

To be fair. It wasn't the Salamanders who crashed the ship into Commoragh, it was Vect and friends. And it was Vect who left the webway portal conveniently open for the Psyker who was conveniently on said battlebarge to call for help.


Really Salamanders where just toyed into coming into commoragh before being allowed to leave.


I think the Minotaurs are the most awesome. Mysteriously have access to all the newest toys? All sorts of relics? Experts at killing marines? Asterion Mawloc who comes in like a wrecking balls yes please.

Angry Marines, because FETH YOU! Thats why!

Easy to decide: Let's look at the required checklist.
-Do they have a future-seeing Primarch with angelic wings?
-Do they have insane Marines that kick-ass and think they are their Primarch?
-Do they have Marines in golden armour with angelic wings?

So far only the Blood Angels can put a check-mark on all these three.

 Spinner wrote:
Carcharodons.

Awesome name, awesome background. They're exactly what you want in your roaming shock troops for a brutal, fascist empire. Point 'em at the enemy, and there's no more enemy.

Just...y'know. Make sure your regular troops stand back far enough to not get covered in heretic bits.

Agreed with and exalted!

 Psienesis wrote:
If you answered anything other than Angry Marines, then you're wrong.

Well Sir, If angry Marines is your thing then you gotta give it up to Death Company Blood Angels. Likely doesn't get anymore angry than thinking your a Primarch and that everything you fight is your beloved Brother and Best Friend Horus who has betrayed you!

In all seriousness my vote goes to Blood Angels , Imperial Fist and White Scars, because they were the only ones who could be bothered to defend the Emperor himself!!! and weren't off chasing some dog bone mission....... looking at you Space puppies.....looking at you!!


(**please note my space wolf crack is a running joke between me and a friend ** )

The guy putting down the ultramarines while raising up the sons of Dorn made me chuckle.

If Gulliman didn't save the Imperial Fists at the Iron Cage, there would be no Imperial Fists anymore. Dorn took his entire legion on a revenge run and nearly got obliterated.

The Imperial Fists held the Palace, true. But The Ultramarines held the Imperium.

 Lobukia wrote:
you mean which limits disasters like the Badab War and kept the marines viable units that when the 10% go bad, the other 90% can put them down and move on?
For every Cato Sicarius (exactly like the historical Cato Minor that he's based off of), there's a Marneus Calgar (also like his historical counterpart, Gaius Marius) who allows innovation, expansions and revision (he did create a new 1st Company that completely breaks traditional codex organization).

Of which I still feel puzzled; what IS their actual attitude towards the Codex, and why are there those by-the-book pricks whining to other Chapters for not reading the Codex like they want it to be read?

Someone has to police the police afterall, and who besides the Ultras has the power to do so, and a reputation for both compassion and administration?

Thus, this begs the question: who watches the watchers?

 Lobukia wrote:


Saved the Imperium.... reconquered the vast majority of lost territory, and notably didn't foster a strategy that put the enemy at the gates... way to go Dorn

Fine. Before this discussion turns into "our Primarch was better than your Primarch!" pissing contest, allow me to address: All Primarchs had their role to play before and after the HH. While Guilliman began the logistic and political reform, Dorn was too busy thinking of such stuff, and began a bitter payback crusade. As a vindictive personality myself, that's what I like in that demi-god. (You took my bait, though )

 Lobukia wrote:

Just saying, we had the 500 worlds before the big E gave us the largest legion... maybe because we deserved it?

It definetely became the largest during the same times the Forgotten and Purged Legions got removed from Imperial records. It makes me wonder...

 Lobukia wrote:

Far enough, but in 10,000 years nobody's done it better

*Pulls another YMMV card from the deck*

 Lobukia wrote:
Wait, what? The RS have a gland that doesn't function correctly, are forbidding anyone outside their favorite Inquisitor to even see their geneseed, and have only their own belief and claims to purity to back up any claim at a purer geneseed. At best they have a faulty geneseed that is 5% more stable than the Ultramarine's... which is still less faulty than their's and doesn't give people the spits and paranoia.

Really? Gotta check that myself.

 Lobukia wrote:
Yeah, but these guys are the 13th (that'd be Caesar's personal veterans) and are a direct graft of late Republic Rome. Someone seriously did their history work when making the UM fluff. I won't go through it all, but these guys are pure Rome... which I like (MA in Roman history and such).

*the More You Know jingle*

 Lobukia wrote:
I do like the BT (have a force of them myself)... and I also have a CF force... the IF successors are pretty sweet... Dorn, Alexis Polux, Kantor, Alessio Cortez, Lysander, Pugh, Vorn HAgen, Sigismund, the Phalanx, Hervald Strom, Zachariah Kersh, Feast of Blades... yeah

The good ol' men of Polux. *handshake*

 Filch wrote:
Angry Marines, because FETH YOU! Thats why!

Angry Marine = Lamenter on crystal meth...