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As the only IoM armies I like are Carchardons, who are Desperate Allies with everyone, and Minotaurs, who are Desperate Allies with other SM armies, it doesn't bother me much at all. Space Sharks give no feths about anyone between them and thier target, and Minotaurs are hated on for being what the Space Puppies wish they could be.

GK should not be battle bros with anyone except maybe inquisition. They should prolly be desperate allies even with the Imperium. Marines have stabbed enough Guard commanders in the back that the IG should be wary a la allies of convenience. The marine chapter tactics should clarify each chapter's particularly hated or loved ally. Inquisition and Assassins often have their own motives so allies of convenience would work there too.

Battle bros just opens up too much potential for synergy and imba force multipliers, just adding more and more available units to any codex.

If we go your way no one is battle bros except Eldar and DE...

 Quickjager wrote:
If we go your way no one is battle bros except Eldar and DE...

Sorry if I wasn't clear. Eldar and DE shouldn't be battle brothers.

Yeah. As an Eldar I can tell you there's so much less value in that brotherhood that I'd rather see all BBs gone rather than all BBs staying.

Either way... the Imperium is always going to be getting all the toys, that's how it goes.

What faction would be more BB than DE and CW Eldar? Even Marine chapters split hundreds of generations ago, but DE/CW split just a couple generations ago. Sure, they hate their brothers often with an intensity the lesser races could never imagine, but blood is thicker than water and all that...

Chaos Marines or Traitor Guard with Demons might be as close, but that's about it.

(And DE don't have a hate on for all Pskers ever. Only Vect ever successfully messed with a Shadowseer, and that was only once. And DE forbid other psykers inside the Webway to hide from Slanesh, not because they think Psyker powers are inherently 'dirty'. Even if they did, that wouldn't exactly stop them...)

Bharring wrote:
What faction would be more BB than DE and CW Eldar? Even Marine chapters split hundreds of generations ago, but DE/CW split just a couple generations ago. Sure, they hate their brothers often with an intensity the lesser races could never imagine, but blood is thicker than water and all that...

Chaos Marines or Traitor Guard with Demons might be as close, but that's about it.

(And DE don't have a hate on for all Pskers ever. Only Vect ever successfully messed with a Shadowseer, and that was only once. And DE forbid other psykers inside the Webway to hide from Slanesh, not because they think Psyker powers are inherently 'dirty'. Even if they did, that wouldn't exactly stop them...)

When people told me that the Dark Eldar and Eldar were buddies in 6th edition, I thought they were joking. My impression from 3rd edition was that they were polar opposites, with the Eldar viewing the Dark Eldar the same way that Space Marines view Chaos Marines.

It is quite impossible to properly balance battle brothers. Because for all intents and purposes they are just another unit in your army list. So while units might be appropriately costed and internally balanced for one codex, there's almost certainly no process to balancing all the permutations of IoM armies.

I just don't think the ally system in its incarnation since 6th is all that elegant, and I'd like a new system that is easier to make tweaks to...right now it's either casual acquaintance army teams or an awesome team using their wonder twin powers to abuse the rules.

Yeah definitely think that the IoM just get way too much options from the matrix as is. Yeah I get it and it fits some of the fluff. Also completely ignores other parts of it.

But I just see it as another stack of the deck in their favour over anyone else that ain't IoM.

If we want to have a fair chance, then split it up. Or at least let the Xenos/Chaos guys have a similar range in allies.

It's not going to win a game, but can basically pull any tactic they need out of the bag pre-game in ally form. Servo Skulls, GK allies, Knights, Gunline tanks, Drop pod 1st turn assaults.

Not sure how they would fix it, but would be good to not feel like the red-headed-step-child of the universe.

 Formosa wrote:
Dark angels should be desperate allies or convenience with every other imperial faction and come the apoc with everything else. So yes I think the allies matrix should be broken up a tad

Great lets punish the already weakened codex for fluff reasons...

The problem you guys seem to forget is that GW doesn't care about fluff in game. Hell they barely care what you play at all!