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 dusara217 wrote:
I'd like to see a Space Marine book that actually properly represents them. Basically, no Superman-strength, no Hulk toughness, no the Flash speed, and NO EMPEROR WORSHIP. It seems like every fething book about Space Marines shows them worshiping him and praying to him and sacrificing gak to him, and it annoys the crap out of me because Space Marines were supposed to be the only ones upholding the Imperial Truth.

except some Marines do worship the emperor. it varies from chapter to chapter. and even the ones who don't belive he's a god likely have their own devotions to the man anyway \. also they DO have super human strength and toughness, and are faster then normal humans (Marines have higher initative then imperial guard)

BrianDavion wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:
I'd like to see a Space Marine book that actually properly represents them. Basically, no Superman-strength, no Hulk toughness, no the Flash speed, and NO EMPEROR WORSHIP. It seems like every fething book about Space Marines shows them worshiping him and praying to him and sacrificing gak to him, and it annoys the crap out of me because Space Marines were supposed to be the only ones upholding the Imperial Truth.

except some Marines do worship the emperor. it varies from chapter to chapter. and even the ones who don't belive he's a god likely have their own devotions to the man anyway \. also they DO have super human strength and toughness, and are faster then normal humans (Marines have higher initative then imperial guard)

Didn't the Red Corsairs worship him directly and not just see him as a distant father-figure?

 Jollydevil wrote:
The Horus Heresy is as much a setting as 30K and 40K are. The books dont just take place during 30K, they take place during the the time frame of the Horus Heresy.
The reason why GW has so many books out for the series, and still has no end in sight, is because it is a setting. The books dont follow much of a general order, because almost everyone reading them knows the ending. Theyre not meant to tell a story, theyre meant to tell a ton of little stories. The true purpose of the Heresy books is that there are individual stories in the Horus Heresy which contribute to the big picture. Its the same reason that star wars has a million books too.
Stating that something has to have an indefinite ending to be a setting is stating that time frames such as the medieval ages are not a setting (which they certainly are). By your statements it seems like the only settings would be present day.

Saying the Horus Heresy is a not a story is incorrect. That's all I said. Little stories that add up to a bigger story is still a story. The idea of the "Horus Heresy" as a setting and not a story is false, any way you want to slice it. It may have smaller, branch-off stories, but ultimately because it has a definable beginning and an end, everything is part of the grander Horus Heresy story. Which, of course, is for better and more often now, worse.

And Star Wars has a ton of books for the same reasons the Heresy does, lol. People keep paying for them. That's the "true purpose" of the heresy books. They publish them, people buy them. If anyone was actually worried about the "story" over there at TBL, they've been shouted down a long time ago. That gak's locked in an endless loop of Primarch Fistfight Porn where everyone conveniently Lives to Fight Another Day, recycled hooks like "Ermagerd, Alfa Lesion!"
repackaging and "Shameless Product Placement (with a little bit of "Everyone Conveniently Lives to Fight Another Day sprinkled in).

BrianDavion wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:
I'd like to see a Space Marine book that actually properly represents them. Basically, no Superman-strength, no Hulk toughness, no the Flash speed, and NO EMPEROR WORSHIP. It seems like every fething book about Space Marines shows them worshiping him and praying to him and sacrificing gak to him, and it annoys the crap out of me because Space Marines were supposed to be the only ones upholding the Imperial Truth.

except some Marines do worship the emperor. it varies from chapter to chapter. and even the ones who don't belive he's a god likely have their own devotions to the man anyway \. also they DO have super human strength and toughness, and are faster then normal humans (Marines have higher initative then imperial guard)

Yes, SOME. But not all - they are the exception, not the rule. It is explicitly stated in the Codex Space Marines that the Space Marines see the Emperor as a great man, not a God. Also, Space Marines are strong, yes, they are fast, yes, they are tough yes. But they should Not be portrayed as strong enough to penetrate Artificer Armour with a fist, (or else they would charge into battle with nothing but their fists as Bolters and Chainswords are clearly less effective) they should NOT be tough enough to get shot in the bare face and just get ANGREH (they should at least be stunned for a few seconds, if not a few minutes/hours), and they should NOT be able to move so fast that they turn into a blur. The fact of the matter is, if they were that fast, then they would have to be incredibly tough for their bodies not to be severely damaged in the process - too tough to be killed by something so slight as a Bolt. Plus, they would almost never actually get hit in melee combat and would be almost impossible to successfully hit with a bullet and would there would be a Space Marine casualty maybe once every century. These are all examples of HORRIBLE fluff writing, and all that I want to see is BL start commissioning authors that are worth their salt instead of the idiots they currently employ.

I have written ork centered stories before, fun as he'll and very unchallenging.


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Also betrayed was great. Best HH book in a while.

Pre-Heresy Iron Warriors with Pert and maybe some illustrations of them in armor and more background.
Possibly for once we'll get to see their siegecraft expertise as LOYALISTS.

I'd love an origin story to the Phoenix Lords, and more xeno fiction in general. GW doesn't do a very good job making non humans look awesome. Outside of Valedor and the DE trilogy anyway

@Redseer

A mini serie about the Fall up to the deah of the first Phoenix Lords would indeed be a great idea.

I would also add an horror/suspense story in which all the characters are civilians of no particular background that predispose them to solve the problem 9something rather simple) in a rational manner. It's like Salem witch hunt in 40K.

epronovost wrote:
@Redseer

A mini serie about the Fall up to the deah of the first Phoenix Lords would indeed be a great idea.

I would also add an horror/suspense story in which all the characters are civilians of no particular background that predispose them to solve the problem 9something rather simple) in a rational manner. It's like Salem witch hunt in 40K.

It would certainly fit the setting

One of my favourite stories is the dark elder love story from fear the alien, bloody great

dusara217 wrote:- too tough to be killed by something so slight as a Bolt.

'as slight as a bolt'?

You do remember that these are armour piercing high-explosive rounds, right? Bolts are fricken powerful as small arms go. It's only because Marines have been presented as the gold standard that people assume bolters are normal and lasguns are naff. Lasguns are supposed to be the standard power level of a firearm in 40k, with bolters and shurikats being shiny and special.

I blame the Tau. The Tau having "even better than super good" guns makes bolters look weedy, when actually, bolters are supposed to be fricken awesome.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

dusara217 wrote:- too tough to be killed by something so slight as a Bolt.

'as slight as a bolt'?

You do remember that these are armour piercing high-explosive rounds, right? Bolts are fricken powerful as small arms go. It's only because Marines have been presented as the gold standard that people assume bolters are normal and lasguns are naff. Lasguns are supposed to be the standard power level of a firearm in 40k, with bolters and shurikats being shiny and special.

I blame the Tau. The Tau having "even better than super good" guns makes bolters look weedy, when actually, bolters are supposed to be fricken awesome.

Depending on the rounds, bolters are actually a lot more powerful then even Tau plasma rifles mounted on battlesuits Melta Bolts, Psy Rounds, Metal Storm Bolts, ghost rounds, or the hilariously bs stalker bolt, which is completely silent despite probably being supersonic, and having extreme range. Although it has to be fired from a stalker bolter for maximum effect.

I want to see the inner workings of a Forgeworld.

In "Baneblade" the prologue details the creation of a Baneblade in a short bit. From chassis to completion.

But I want a Leman Russ and its attending creators stories told. That or some other vehicle.

Or a full Baneblade assembly from plates of plasteel to toothless chassis to fully functional war machine and every sacred twist of the screw driver inbetween.

Priests of Mars and Titanicus might be what you're looking for, Engine.

Personally I would like to see more stories featuring the Xenos races without too much human involvement.
A story involving some Tau and Eldar interactions could be great, imagine a Tau diplomat wondering around a craftworld or having someone like Ronahn the Eldar Pathfinder from the dawn of war games hanging out with Commander Farsight.
From the human side I would love each of the Primarchs to get a full origins novel detailing their time as children up to the time of their reunion with their Father.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Priests of Mars and Titanicus might be what you're looking for, Engine.

already read Titanicus and I liked it.
annoyingly I have the 2 books that come after Preists of Mars (Gods and Lords of Mars). But whenever I manage to go out to a bookstore they don't have priests of mars.
Because they come after Priests I can't bring myself to read them. Its like trying to watch a trio of movies but starting in the middle.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

dusara217 wrote:- too tough to be killed by something so slight as a Bolt.

'as slight as a bolt'?

You do remember that these are armour piercing high-explosive rounds, right? Bolts are fricken powerful as small arms go. It's only because Marines have been presented as the gold standard that people assume bolters are normal and lasguns are naff. Lasguns are supposed to be the standard power level of a firearm in 40k, with bolters and shurikats being shiny and special.

I blame the Tau. The Tau having "even better than super good" guns makes bolters look weedy, when actually, bolters are supposed to be fricken awesome.

That was kind of my point

 Engine of War wrote:
Or a full Baneblade assembly from plates of plasteel to toothless chassis to fully functional war machine and every sacred twist of the screw driver inbetween.

I don't think you know what you are getting into there That would be the most dreadfull, long and boring read you have ever experienced. Trust me, full technical documentations are not entertaining, and after seeing them oince you will avoid them if you can And since the technical knowledge of many authors is laughable at best it would end up with endless cringe worthy contradictions.

 Engine of War wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Priests of Mars and Titanicus might be what you're looking for, Engine.

already read Titanicus and I liked it.
annoyingly I have the 2 books that come after Preists of Mars (Gods and Lords of Mars). But whenever I manage to go out to a bookstore they don't have priests of mars.
Because they come after Priests I can't bring myself to read them. Its like trying to watch a trio of movies but starting in the middle.

try black libraries website?

Engine of War wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Priests of Mars and Titanicus might be what you're looking for, Engine.

already read Titanicus and I liked it.
annoyingly I have the 2 books that come after Preists of Mars (Gods and Lords of Mars). But whenever I manage to go out to a bookstore they don't have priests of mars.
Because they come after Priests I can't bring myself to read them. Its like trying to watch a trio of movies but starting in the middle.

Sadly, Lords and Gods take the brilliant start given in Priests and make a horrible mess all over it.

What I would like to see?

Superhuman - a book that tells the tale of brother Antonus of the Thunder Dragons who, due to a freak accident involving a rogue psyker, is sucked through time and space and ends up in today's London. There, he has to come to terms with his fate as he realises that the world he is on is both very old and very new to him, and he is unlikely to ever find a way to return. Without a cause and with no allies, he must find a new purpose for himself as a supersoldier in a world that doesn't need one. He is loyal to Chapter and Emperor but here, there is no sign of either. He also faces more immediate problems in a world that simultaneously fears him and wants him for study, and the exotic chemicals and drugs in his armour that keep his body working won't last forever...

He does not face solely adversity, as some look past his intimidating exterior and wonder if there is a human heart(s) beating in his chest. But the citizens of the Imperium were unreliable enough, could these strange people speaking their strange language perhaps be agents of Chaos? Antonus is not malevolent, but none of his psycho-conditioning, hypno-indoctrination and centuries of battle experience had prepared him for this, on the contrary they perhaps only hinder him.

A tale of a war god locked out of his Olympus and the range of problems he faces, from philosophical to practical. A book that could appeal to both existing 40k fans and those who know nothing of it.

 Ashiraya wrote:
What I would like to see?

Superhuman - a book that tells the tale of brother Antonus of the Thunder Dragons who, due to a freak accident involving a rogue psyker, is sucked through time and space and ends up in today's London. There, he has to come to terms with his fate as he realises that the world he is on is both very old and very new to him, and he is unlikely to ever find a way to return. Without a cause and with no allies, he must find a new purpose for himself as a supersoldier in a world that doesn't need one. He is loyal to Chapter and Emperor but here, there is no sign of either. He also faces more immediate problems in a world that simultaneously fears him and wants him for study, and the exotic chemicals and drugs in his armour that keep his body working won't last forever...

He does not face solely adversity, as some look past his intimidating exterior and wonder if there is a human heart(s) beating in his chest. But the citizens of the Imperium were unreliable enough, could these strange people speaking their strange language perhaps be agents of Chaos? Antonus is not malevolent, but none of his psycho-conditioning, hypno-indoctrination and centuries of battle experience had prepared him for this, on the contrary they perhaps only hinder him.

A tale of a war god locked out of his Olympus and the range of problems he faces, from philosophical to practical. A book that could appeal to both existing 40k fans and those who know nothing of it.

This actually sounds interesting. But.
Imagine if he found the emperor, and gave him the idea for the astartes?

The Emperor is supposed to be hiding down in Turkey right now, yes? Makes sense that he'd make some kind of move if a Marine appears. But I think the story would be better off without him. He'd steal the focus of a book that isn't about him.


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Now I feel like writing that book. But I don't know if I could do it justice. I probably couldn't.

 Ashiraya wrote:
The Emperor is supposed to be hiding down in Turkey right now, yes? Makes sense that he'd make some kind of move if a Marine appears. But I think the story would be better off without him. He'd steal the focus of a book that isn't about him.


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Now I feel like writing that book. But I don't know if I could do it justice. I probably couldn't.

Nah, leave that to the experienced writers like Swallow and Thorpe, i'm sure they'll TOTALLY do it justice

I wanna hear a story about a planet. It should start off by introducing us to it. What classification, What climate, what geological anomalies sand out. Why it was colonized, when, and how. Then I want to hear who the current ruler is, what the rulers life is like, and what is the ruling class? Whats their political standing with the Imperium? With it's neighbors? With their trade partners? What type of aliens lurk around the system? Then I want to hear about the society side of things.
Social life? Planet Infrastructure? Culture? Food, Product, Trade? what about archeology? paleontology? what do the people build? what do the people extract from the planet, or nearby asteroids? Any notable individuals?

If there was a book like that for warhammer 40k, i'd be the first to buy it.

 LumenPraebeo wrote:
I wanna hear a story about a planet. It should start off by introducing us to it. What classification, What climate, what geological anomalies sand out. Why it was colonized, when, and how. Then I want to hear who the current ruler is, what the rulers life is like, and what is the ruling class? Whats their political standing with the Imperium? With it's neighbors? With their trade partners? What type of aliens lurk around the system? Then I want to hear about the society side of things.
Social life? Planet Infrastructure? Culture? Food, Product, Trade? what about archeology? paleontology? what do the people build? what do the people extract from the planet, or nearby asteroids? Any notable individuals?

If there was a book like that for warhammer 40k, i'd be the first to buy it.

If that was done, I would actually buy it instead of downloading it illegally. I'd stop studying the Latin Primer and go to the new overview of the average Imperial world. That would be beautiful, it truly would.

I'd love to see more tau in general, there really isn't a lot written about them. Sisters would be nice too.

Edit: Specifically I'd like to see tau where they are actually the protagonists, even if is is through the eyes of a gue'vessa.


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 Ashiraya wrote:
What I would like to see?

Superhuman - a book that tells the tale of brother Antonus of the Thunder Dragons who, due to a freak accident involving a rogue psyker, is sucked through time and space and ends up in today's London. There, he has to come to terms with his fate as he realises that the world he is on is both very old and very new to him, and he is unlikely to ever find a way to return. Without a cause and with no allies, he must find a new purpose for himself as a supersoldier in a world that doesn't need one. He is loyal to Chapter and Emperor but here, there is no sign of either. He also faces more immediate problems in a world that simultaneously fears him and wants him for study, and the exotic chemicals and drugs in his armour that keep his body working won't last forever...

He does not face solely adversity, as some look past his intimidating exterior and wonder if there is a human heart(s) beating in his chest. But the citizens of the Imperium were unreliable enough, could these strange people speaking their strange language perhaps be agents of Chaos? Antonus is not malevolent, but none of his psycho-conditioning, hypno-indoctrination and centuries of battle experience had prepared him for this, on the contrary they perhaps only hinder him.

A tale of a war god locked out of his Olympus and the range of problems he faces, from philosophical to practical. A book that could appeal to both existing 40k fans and those who know nothing of it.

That would actually be amazing.

 LumenPraebeo wrote:
I wanna hear a story about a planet. It should start off by introducing us to it. What classification, What climate, what geological anomalies sand out. Why it was colonized, when, and how. Then I want to hear who the current ruler is, what the rulers life is like, and what is the ruling class? Whats their political standing with the Imperium? With it's neighbors? With their trade partners? What type of aliens lurk around the system? Then I want to hear about the society side of things.
Social life? Planet Infrastructure? Culture? Food, Product, Trade? what about archeology? paleontology? what do the people build? what do the people extract from the planet, or nearby asteroids? Any notable individuals?

If there was a book like that for warhammer 40k, i'd be the first to buy it.

So basically a planet brochure

 Jollydevil wrote:
So basically a planet brochure

Hell yeah!

But more specifically, the logistical sides of things, to get a sense of measurement for the building blocks of civilization on that planet. Import, export, planet mineral make up, how much production, where the product goes. Running costs.

We live in a free society where someone in power doesn't necessarily have to worry about these things, they can be managed by people on the lower chain of command. For something as big as the Imperium, with a regime as totalitarian as theirs, I can't imagine a planetary governor overlooking such details without seriously bad consequences.

 lyrken wrote:
Chaos vs Tau is what i wanna see.

You know Imperial Armour already has established that that happens pretty often (heck, even that powerful warbands w/ sorcerers like the Black Legion or the Thousand Sons can get there instantly from the Eye of Terror through the Perdus Rift Anomaly), yet somehow in the Fluff the Tau are always shown as fighting Oks or Imperials :(

I wanna see some Daemons or Nurgle Heretics do something better than fizzling against Farsight and leaving... Say, some Tau technicians and auxiliaries desperately struggling against a major raid/Black Crusade where a planet is under siege, daemons are appearing in the wilds, their hunter cadres are struggling against unpredictable and warp-travelling ennemies and all the while a cult (do Tau even have chaos cults?) or infiltrators are speading Nurgle's contagion or Tzeenche's fire and mutation to the ecosystem and water supply. You could even have Gue'vesa or Kroot there, who try to warn the Tau about the Warp but get dissmissed as superstitious idiots, or a human latent psyker's head spontaneously exploding and everyone being puzzled. Hell, a daemon could have gotten out through his brain discreetly, and be slowly destroying the Tau from within

Watch them blue pansies fight THAT!!!
Pff... They're so proud because they beat a few Orks and Tyranids? I don't care if they win in the end, if it's seen mostly through non-frontline personnel and well written I want to read it. Hell, Tau civilians for once? Discovering some of Chaos? Yeah!