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 Shidank wrote:

 david choe wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

Chaospling wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Because it's implied that the Warp is a fairly local thing to the Milky Way. Get much beyond it, into the Void, and the Warp sort of fizzles out into oblivion.

Ok, haven't noticed this being implied. The Void between galaxies or just star systems has no specific physical connection to the Warp, so I don't get your explanation at all.

As noted previously ITT, the Warp is affected by, colored by and made up of psycho-emotive energy that reflects and reacts to the general vibe of mortal creatures in a given area. When the galaxy is relatively calm, the Warp is relatively calm. When it's not, it isn't.

Get too far outside the realm of where mortal creatures dwell, and there's nothing to create, feed or reflect to/from that energy. Would also explain why, as fethed up as Chaos mutations can be, they're still recognizable as something that exists in the mortal plane, even if you don't normally see them in quite that configuration or colors. We don't see, for example, examples of wholly extra-galactic beings as Chaos mutants. Heck, even the Tyranids could be recognizably local in origin (they're insectoid, but not truly alien). This is, perhaps, caused by the limited creative scope of the franchise, but I find it a bit odd that, in its history, there's never been a Chaos gift that made you go "wow, that's certainly from somewhere far, far away".

There's also the fact that, going really far back, most of the Chaos Gods are created by human activity, rather than weird-ass Xenos or just certain emotions based on mortals, regardless of species. This has changed somewhat (when maybe GW realized that it didn't make any sense) but not so much that we can safely say that Khorne is a universal concept, for example.

I think ( don't get upset if I am wrong) he doesn't know that ther are void spaces 10 to 1000 times the size of our galaxy Between each Galaxy. A galaxy is not a universe and in a universe...there are billions of Galaxies.

So the warp is a small dimension compare to the universe and is only a plane that is connected to this galaxy and not the universe...afaik

The point being made that some aren't grasping is that the warp is not a physical location and cannot be quantified in the same way. It is not 'local' and it is not 'milky way sized'. Wherever we go, there is warp. Wherever we've been, there is warp. Wherever we could concievably go, there is warp.

It's another dimension. Where you access it literally does not matter.

This is an unexplored area of conversation that GW didn't even thought of. So I have to look at it from the astro physics POV.

If our Milky way galaxy has warp, other galaxy might have it too. Just like there are life in MW galaxy... other galaxy might have life too. However, the life in this galaxy has no connection or contact with the other life in the other galaxy because of the space between or the void. Now the warp entities in MW galaxy and the other galaxy have no contact among each because we have never heard GW mention of them. So we must assume that they have no contact among each other or if they exist or not.

Nobody knows anything about if we can travel in the void... this is all just theory.

One thing for sure is that ... so fare we only have one being from another galaxy and that is the tyranids. Everything els in 40K are being from MW galaxy.

I understand that Warp is in another dimension.. but that dimension only has access to MW galaxy that we know off. So we can't say that you can use the warp and arrive at Andromeda galaxy or other galaxy because it has never been stated.

Again, if Chaos is that powerful and the Warp is the whole universe and the gods are the gods of the universe.. not just a galaxy.. .what the heck is the point of 40K. Necrons and all other factions are just flies to the gods of the universe. Our galaxy is just a sweat drop for the gods.

This is where the size of the universe is so great that I don't believe that Chaos gods are the gods of the universe because all the fluff have suggested that they are linked to this galaxy and this galaxy only.

 david choe wrote:


This is an unexplored area of conversation that GW didn't even thought of. So I have to look at it from the astro physics POV.

If our Milky way galaxy has warp, other galaxy might have it too. Just like there are life in MW galaxy... other galaxy might have life too. However, the life in this galaxy has no connection or contact with the other life in the other galaxy because of the space between or the voice. Now the warp entities in MW galaxy and the other galaxy have no contact among each because we have never heard GW mention of them. So we must assume that they have no contact among each other or if they exist or not.

Nobody knows anything about if we can travel in the void... this is all just theory.

One thing for sure is that ... so fare we only have one being from another galaxy and that is the tyranids. Everything els in 40K are being from MW galaxy.

I understand that Warp is in another dimension.. but that dimension only has access to MW galaxy that we know off. So we can't say that you can use the warp and arrive at Andromeda galaxy or other galaxy because it has never been stated.

Again, if Chaos is that powerful and the Warp is the whole universe and the gods are the gods of the universe.. not just a galaxy.. .what the heck is the point of 40K. Necrons and all other factions are just flies to the gods of the universe. Our galaxy is just a sweat drop for the gods.

This is where the size of the universe is so great that I don't believe that Chaos gods are the gods of the universe because all the fluff have suggested that they are linked to this galaxy and this galaxy only.

Sorry, let me try again. As another dimenion, the warp is not anchored to any one spot or any one size. There can be 'local' influences (local being more of a metaphysical term that is relative to the gestalt beliefs of the inhabited galaxy) that affects the warp depending on where it is accessed. Only with the death of every sentient thing would the currents of the warp die off and the dimension cease to be. With the loss of the milky way's gestalt, the chaos gods we know would starve and die.

The point of 40k to me is to acknowledge the warp in the way the Emperor had. It's dangerous and mankind can be saved from it. That said, it is a fever dream of madness and emotion that reflects back all of our worst qualities. To join it is to give in. It's literally the greatest temptation. That's how our galaxy has made the warp to be in relation to every physical point where we can access it. Resisting this pull until we can let go of all the things the warp holds over us, and that we therefore hold over ourselves, is the point of 40k.

If we did make it into another galaxy and there was life, our warp would not be theirs. That said, they would occupy the same dimension. Depending on the number of humans that made the trip safely, our presence and repeated dips into the warp for travel could actually cause issues for that galaxy in the form of interrupted communications and travel. It is in this way that the Tyranid could have formed the Shadow on the Warp. Were we to have a Tyranid-like way of assimilating sentient life and organic matter of that galaxy, I could reasonably assume that our warp and theirs would eventually harmonize and the destructive nature of the Shadow would cease to exist in that particular galaxy where the gestalts of two galaxy's sentients' have come to resonate.

Ok, I think I've given up discussing how vast the Warp is, but we didn't try to say that the Chaos Gods are all powerful, because they can't simply enter the materium. So even though they're extreme/endless in power in the Warp, the materium is a completely other matter and that's why Necrons and Tyranid or anything else haven't been squashed and tossed aside already.

Chaospling, David and I are discussing just this. You're welcome to catch up and join in.

 Shidank wrote:
Chaospling, David and I are discussing just this. You're welcome to catch up and join in.

Not quite sure why you're this formal...? But thank you hehe.

The Warp has existed forever, it's just sentient life which gives it form like Chaos Gods. If there was sentient life in another galaxy they too would be forming the Warp but the Warp are the same in any galaxy - I thought we agreed that the Warp hadn't any exact physical connection with the materium?

The Shadow of the Warp is just extreme communication through the Warp because of the gestalt of Tyranid creatures. As opposed to the Tyranid, the Orks, Humans and even Daemons are individual minds and so will not form the gestalt and/or single kind of consciousness the Hive mind has.

It doesn't look like you're disagreeing, just asking for clarification. We theorized that the explanation for relative localization of warp entities and storms is because of the gestalt of this galaxy's life actually making every access point go to a "relatively close" proximity within the warp. What was proposed regarding the shadow is that it's the gestalt interaction with the warp of another galaxy that has not assimilated the relation this galaxy has to one particular localization of the warp.

The Tyranid literally brought their neck of the woods to us and are learning how to build houses more to our standard.

 Shidank wrote:

 david choe wrote:


This is an unexplored area of conversation that GW didn't even thought of. So I have to look at it from the astro physics POV.

If our Milky way galaxy has warp, other galaxy might have it too. Just like there are life in MW galaxy... other galaxy might have life too. However, the life in this galaxy has no connection or contact with the other life in the other galaxy because of the space between or the voice. Now the warp entities in MW galaxy and the other galaxy have no contact among each because we have never heard GW mention of them. So we must assume that they have no contact among each other or if they exist or not.

Nobody knows anything about if we can travel in the void... this is all just theory.

One thing for sure is that ... so fare we only have one being from another galaxy and that is the tyranids. Everything els in 40K are being from MW galaxy.

I understand that Warp is in another dimension.. but that dimension only has access to MW galaxy that we know off. So we can't say that you can use the warp and arrive at Andromeda galaxy or other galaxy because it has never been stated.

Again, if Chaos is that powerful and the Warp is the whole universe and the gods are the gods of the universe.. not just a galaxy.. .what the heck is the point of 40K. Necrons and all other factions are just flies to the gods of the universe. Our galaxy is just a sweat drop for the gods.

This is where the size of the universe is so great that I don't believe that Chaos gods are the gods of the universe because all the fluff have suggested that they are linked to this galaxy and this galaxy only.

Sorry, let me try again. As another dimenion, the warp is not anchored to any one spot or any one size. There can be 'local' influences (local being more of a metaphysical term that is relative to the gestalt beliefs of the inhabited galaxy) that affects the warp depending on where it is accessed. Only with the death of every sentient thing would the currents of the warp die off and the dimension cease to be. With the loss of the milky way's gestalt, the chaos gods we know would starve and die.

The point of 40k to me is to acknowledge the warp in the way the Emperor had. It's dangerous and mankind can be saved from it. That said, it is a fever dream of madness and emotion that reflects back all of our worst qualities. To join it is to give in. It's literally the greatest temptation. That's how our galaxy has made the warp to be in relation to every physical point where we can access it. Resisting this pull until we can let go of all the things the warp holds over us, and that we therefore hold over ourselves, is the point of 40k.

If we did make it into another galaxy and there was life, our warp would not be theirs. That said, they would occupy the same dimension. Depending on the number of humans that made the trip safely, our presence and repeated dips into the warp for travel could actually cause issues for that galaxy in the form of interrupted communications and travel. It is in this way that the Tyranid could have formed the Shadow on the Warp. Were we to have a Tyranid-like way of assimilating sentient life and organic matter of that galaxy, I could reasonably assume that our warp and theirs would eventually harmonize and the destructive nature of the Shadow would cease to exist in that particular galaxy where the gestalts of two galaxy's sentients' have come to resonate.

I do see your point and I do agree that the warp is a like a shadow of the material plane. The entities in the warp are made up of emotions based on life in the material plane. So I think you are suggesting that where ever there is life, then the warp entities are around like a shadow always following. However, the MW warp entities belongs to being of MW creatures.

We don't know if Galaxy X have a race say.... space Skavens and Galaxy X will also have warp space. The Warp entities or Warp gods of Skaven emotions are not connected with MW chaos gods. Even if Skaven have rage emotions of Khorne like... that vortrex of Khorne will not be connected with Skaven Rage god.

If human enter Galaxy X and the chaos gods will follow them like shadow... once Chaos gods and Skaven gods meet... they will join together and become one. OR ... if Skaven enter MW galaxy.. their gods will follow them like shadow.. and soon the gods will bond and merge to become one because Rage is Rage.

So yes, the whole universe is big and there are many chaos gods of rage in many galaxies, but they are not aware of each other... and once meet.. they will become one... and since there is no time in the Warp.. the gods have always know each other... but never meet at the same time.

That is how I view the Universe.

So if human dare enough and the gods are willing ... they can travel to the next galaxy by doing small jump. However... in the void...there is a chance that the gods might be bored with the people who are traveling and might killed them all and the warp gods or entities around that area of the void will die alone with the people.

Chaospling wrote:

 Shidank wrote:
Chaospling, David and I are discussing just this. You're welcome to catch up and join in.

Not quite sure why you're this formal...? But thank you hehe.

The Warp has existed forever, it's just sentient life which gives it form like Chaos Gods. If there was sentient life in another galaxy they too would be forming the Warp but the Warp are the same in any galaxy - I thought we agreed that the Warp hadn't any exact physical connection with the materium?

The Shadow of the Warp is just extreme communication through the Warp because of the gestalt of Tyranid creatures. As opposed to the Tyranid, the Orks, Humans and even Daemons are individual minds and so will not form the gestalt and/or single kind of consciousness the Hive mind has.

This is all speculation though, in fact even the in-universe explanations of the Shadow in the Warp are presented to us as theories, nobody knows for sure why it happens. The same goes with the warp, we're never explicitly told exactly how it works and most of our information comes from the rationalization that the characters have accepted as being "true".

Orby's right. This is just what we reasoned out as probable from our discussions on intergalactic travel.

I got to my conclusion from the text about the Shadow of the Warp in Tyranid codex - do you come to a completely different conclusion when reading that part?

About the Shadow being "the gestalt interaction with the warp of another galaxy that has not assimilated the relation this galaxy has to one particular localization of the warp": I just view it as interaction between an extreme amount of Tyranid creatures in a relative small area because of the extra need of communication when in a battle. I don't to discuss the possibility of communication between galaxies but did you read that somewhere or did you introduce the idea yourself?

Chaospling wrote:
I got to my conclusion from the text about the Shadow of the Warp in Tyranid codex - do you come to a completely different conclusion when reading that part?

About the Shadow being "the gestalt interaction with the warp of another galaxy that has not assimilated the relation this galaxy has to one particular localization of the warp": I just view it as interaction between an extreme amount of Tyranid creatures in a relative small area because of the extra need of communication when in a battle. I don't to discuss the possibility of communication between galaxies but did you read that somewhere or did you introduce the idea yourself?

I view the codex definition as a secretary doing her best with post-it note cards and half-remembered stories that other people told each other.

Haha nice - you should use that for your signature! Though I quite sure I've read about the Tyranids and the Shadow of the Warp several places and not just the latest codex.

Chaospling wrote:
Haha nice - you should use that for your signature! Though I quite sure I've read about the Tyranids and the Shadow of the Warp several places and not just the latest codex.

I don't think anyone really buys the "it works because GW explained it away as space alien magic" explanation, so it felt better applying some reason that seemed to work.

Some Chaotic Intergalactic activity!

Dead Sky Black Sun wrote:Awful knowledge flooded Uriel as he stared into the portal opened in the fabric of the universe. He saw galaxies of billions upon billions of souls harvested and fed to the Lord of Skulls, the Blood God.
‘Emperor’s mercy,’ wept Uriel as he felt each of these deaths lodge like a splinter in his heart. New life and new purpose had once filled these galaxies, but now all was death, slaughtered to sate the hunger of the Blood God…

Codex Chaos Daemons, 6e, page 12 wrote:[Tzeentch] listens to the hopes of every sentient being from every planet in the universe.

Codex Chaos Daemons, 6e, page 14 wrote:[Nurgle] is the creator of every infection and epidemic to mhave ever swept the universe.

Animus wrote:
Some Chaotic Intergalactic activity!

Dead Sky Black Sun wrote:Awful knowledge flooded Uriel as he stared into the portal opened in the fabric of the universe. He saw galaxies of billions upon billions of souls harvested and fed to the Lord of Skulls, the Blood God.
‘Emperor’s mercy,’ wept Uriel as he felt each of these deaths lodge like a splinter in his heart. New life and new purpose had once filled these galaxies, but now all was death, slaughtered to sate the hunger of the Blood God…

Codex Chaos Daemons, 6e, page 12 wrote:[Tzeentch] listens to the hopes of every sentient being from every planet in the universe.

Codex Chaos Daemons, 6e, page 14 wrote:[Nurgle] is the creator of every infection and epidemic to mhave ever swept the universe.

You really think that GW or the writer who wrote that wanted us to literally accepted that? I think it was hyperbolic statement.

 david choe wrote:
@Wyzillia
If the warp extended beyound this galaxy, then how come nobody ever travel beyound this galaxy?

We have no idea what other galaxies are like so how do we know that Chaos are there too?

The warp infinity is infinity with in the warp, but it is finite in our universe. In other words, the 4 gods are in milky way.....then in galaxy x....there are other chaos gods for the xenons of that galaxy. If say...Khorne exist in galaxy x, then that Khorne has no concept or connection of our Khorne in milky way.
If the chaos gods are that powerful that they have power of the billions galaxies....nothing can stop them....milky way would be a drop of sweat to them.... But that is not the case is it.

BTW- there is no such a thing as other universes...if it exist....then it is part of this universe. Everything that exist and will ever exist is part of this universe and that Is it. If you said that universe b is over there...then universe b is part of this universe.

The multiverse can exist, but each universe will never be in contact or reachable...so it is pointless.

Or, we could have Gods of Order over in those other galaxies, as the Old Ones basically created Chaos by creating their war-Psyker-species


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 david choe wrote:

 Shidank wrote:

 david choe wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

Chaospling wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Because it's implied that the Warp is a fairly local thing to the Milky Way. Get much beyond it, into the Void, and the Warp sort of fizzles out into oblivion.

Ok, haven't noticed this being implied. The Void between galaxies or just star systems has no specific physical connection to the Warp, so I don't get your explanation at all.

As noted previously ITT, the Warp is affected by, colored by and made up of psycho-emotive energy that reflects and reacts to the general vibe of mortal creatures in a given area. When the galaxy is relatively calm, the Warp is relatively calm. When it's not, it isn't.

Get too far outside the realm of where mortal creatures dwell, and there's nothing to create, feed or reflect to/from that energy. Would also explain why, as fethed up as Chaos mutations can be, they're still recognizable as something that exists in the mortal plane, even if you don't normally see them in quite that configuration or colors. We don't see, for example, examples of wholly extra-galactic beings as Chaos mutants. Heck, even the Tyranids could be recognizably local in origin (they're insectoid, but not truly alien). This is, perhaps, caused by the limited creative scope of the franchise, but I find it a bit odd that, in its history, there's never been a Chaos gift that made you go "wow, that's certainly from somewhere far, far away".

There's also the fact that, going really far back, most of the Chaos Gods are created by human activity, rather than weird-ass Xenos or just certain emotions based on mortals, regardless of species. This has changed somewhat (when maybe GW realized that it didn't make any sense) but not so much that we can safely say that Khorne is a universal concept, for example.

I think ( don't get upset if I am wrong) he doesn't know that ther are void spaces 10 to 1000 times the size of our galaxy Between each Galaxy. A galaxy is not a universe and in a universe...there are billions of Galaxies.

So the warp is a small dimension compare to the universe and is only a plane that is connected to this galaxy and not the universe...afaik

The point being made that some aren't grasping is that the warp is not a physical location and cannot be quantified in the same way. It is not 'local' and it is not 'milky way sized'. Wherever we go, there is warp. Wherever we've been, there is warp. Wherever we could concievably go, there is warp.

It's another dimension. Where you access it literally does not matter.

This is an unexplored area of conversation that GW didn't even thought of. So I have to look at it from the astro physics POV.

If our Milky way galaxy has warp, other galaxy might have it too. Just like there are life in MW galaxy... other galaxy might have life too. However, the life in this galaxy has no connection or contact with the other life in the other galaxy because of the space between or the void. Now the warp entities in MW galaxy and the other galaxy have no contact among each because we have never heard GW mention of them. So we must assume that they have no contact among each other or if they exist or not.

Nobody knows anything about if we can travel in the void... this is all just theory.

One thing for sure is that ... so fare we only have one being from another galaxy and that is the tyranids. Everything els in 40K are being from MW galaxy.

I understand that Warp is in another dimension.. but that dimension only has access to MW galaxy that we know off. So we can't say that you can use the warp and arrive at Andromeda galaxy or other galaxy because it has never been stated.

Again, if Chaos is that powerful and the Warp is the whole universe and the gods are the gods of the universe.. not just a galaxy.. .what the heck is the point of 40K. Necrons and all other factions are just flies to the gods of the universe. Our galaxy is just a sweat drop for the gods.

This is where the size of the universe is so great that I don't believe that Chaos gods are the gods of the universe because all the fluff have suggested that they are linked to this galaxy and this galaxy only.

Well, tbh, there could be other Gods of Order/Chaos in the corresponding parts of the Warp that keep the Gods of Chaos from the MW out of their domains, and vice versa. We really don't know, and this hasn't been touched on in the lore AT ALL outside of the Hive Mind, which might just be another Warp God in itself.

When ever scifi or fantasy games or geeks have a discussion about intergalactic and the universe, less than 1% understand the concept of what a universe or a galaxy is.

There are MORE stars in the univers than there are all the Grain of sands on earth...by about 10 times. Each star might be a solar system with planets....the universe is a big place.

40k keep things in one galaxy to keep it "simple", so let's not exaggerate and get into universe.

Our galaxy is like one Walmart packed full of sands...and each grain of those sand is a star with solar system. This is what we have to play with...let's don't bring 10 earths full of sands to play with too.

@dusarat217 - you could be right, but we would never know. I think the old ones just say screwed this galaxy...we're out of here and left. I would too....there are other galaxies to play with in the universe.

This is just me thinking out loud....there must be a species of pure good that is ruling a galaxy somewhere out there. Just imagen a species like human....but the specie is united and "good".
They don't rape, kill, steal, cheat, lie, etc... Among each other...that is power. When they build a house...they don't waste resources like locks on doors or fences. Their shopping center just have goods in the shop and a bucket of money by the exit for people to pay and get change. When a species is united like this the amount of resources and energy can be focus on science and exploration. I can see a specie like this becoming a space explorer because they do not need to worry about fighting among themself. Don't get me wrong. They have weapons to hunt or kill animals...but they don't use it on their own specie. I think this is a key to the next stage of evolution.

 david choe wrote:

Animus wrote:
Some Chaotic Intergalactic activity!

Dead Sky Black Sun wrote:Awful knowledge flooded Uriel as he stared into the portal opened in the fabric of the universe. He saw galaxies of billions upon billions of souls harvested and fed to the Lord of Skulls, the Blood God.
‘Emperor’s mercy,’ wept Uriel as he felt each of these deaths lodge like a splinter in his heart. New life and new purpose had once filled these galaxies, but now all was death, slaughtered to sate the hunger of the Blood God…

Codex Chaos Daemons, 6e, page 12 wrote:[Tzeentch] listens to the hopes of every sentient being from every planet in the universe.

Codex Chaos Daemons, 6e, page 14 wrote:[Nurgle] is the creator of every infection and epidemic to mhave ever swept the universe.

You really think that GW or the writer who wrote that wanted us to literally accepted that?

Yes. Chaos is multiversal and exists with no or with totally different concepts of space and time.

Then why do they care so much about this one speck of sand? If they're truly universal, the Emperor's Great Crusade is not even a minor irritant, let alone an actual threat.

 Psienesis wrote:
Then why do they care so much about this one speck of sand? If they're truly universal, the Emperor's Great Crusade is not even a minor irritant, let alone an actual threat.

Maybe it was the Emperor himself they were worried about. Nothing to do with the Crusade, but maybe they were scared the Emperor could rise up powerful enough to threaten them, and tried to put paid to that as soon as they could.

ImAGeek wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Then why do they care so much about this one speck of sand? If they're truly universal, the Emperor's Great Crusade is not even a minor irritant, let alone an actual threat.

Maybe it was the Emperor himself they were worried about. Nothing to do with the Crusade, but maybe they were scared the Emperor could rise up powerful enough to threaten them, and tried to put paid to that as soon as they could.

This fits in quite nicely with my view of the Emperor, what with him orchestrating large portions of the Great Crusade in order to become a God of Order.

Psienesis wrote:Then why do they care so much about this one speck of sand? If they're truly universal, the Emperor's Great Crusade is not even a minor irritant, let alone an actual threat.

The Emperor's Great Crusade would cut them off from an entire universe of souls feeding them power. Losing the Milky Way would be like a city losing one its largest power plant, and being forced to rely on secondary and tertiary sources for power. Or, at least, that's how I interpret it. It could also be that Chaos just likes this galaxy. Or that the Emperor posed a potential threat to them by becoming another God. We really don't know, it's all speculation.

Note: I said losing the Milky Way = losing a universe, because we have heard no mention of the local Chaos Gods being in any other galaxies, and thus this is the only galaxy in our dimension that they have access to.

Animus wrote:

 david choe wrote:

Animus wrote:
Some Chaotic Intergalactic activity!

Dead Sky Black Sun wrote:Awful knowledge flooded Uriel as he stared into the portal opened in the fabric of the universe. He saw galaxies of billions upon billions of souls harvested and fed to the Lord of Skulls, the Blood God.
‘Emperor’s mercy,’ wept Uriel as he felt each of these deaths lodge like a splinter in his heart. New life and new purpose had once filled these galaxies, but now all was death, slaughtered to sate the hunger of the Blood God…

Codex Chaos Daemons, 6e, page 12 wrote:[Tzeentch] listens to the hopes of every sentient being from every planet in the universe.

Codex Chaos Daemons, 6e, page 14 wrote:[Nurgle] is the creator of every infection and epidemic to mhave ever swept the universe.

You really think that GW or the writer who wrote that wanted us to literally accepted that?

Yes. Chaos is multiversal and exists with no or with totally different concepts of space and time.

When I watch the road runner and the coyote cartoons and they defined gravity, I do not question the concept of physics to Looney Tunes, I just sit back and enjoy the cartoon. However, if Looney Tune tries to justified to me that Looney Tunes universe has no law of physics and it is actually in the Warp...i would call them out on it that they are "fixing" or trying to justified things.

As I said before...GW and most geeks have no concept of astro physics and they spew pure BS...a writer with a pen can create anything as long as it's target audience understands it and accepted it. This target audience are us geeks, but this geek other hobby is also astro physics...so I know GW are writing BS crap for you and not for me.

The universe is a big place...and in that statement by GW....they have no back up to support that grand statment at all. GW better start explaining why milky way is so important, what other gods are out there in the universe, and what other intergalactic being are out there. And once they do, I would just sit back and enjoy more BS. This is too deep for GW.

What I am saying is Rule of cool is nice, but there are limit to it. A las cannon is a las cannon, but you don't see it blowing up planets because there are limits to what us geeks will put up with. This chaos gods of the universe is my las canon blowing planets.


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 dusara217 wrote:

ImAGeek wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Then why do they care so much about this one speck of sand? If they're truly universal, the Emperor's Great Crusade is not even a minor irritant, let alone an actual threat.

Maybe it was the Emperor himself they were worried about. Nothing to do with the Crusade, but maybe they were scared the Emperor could rise up powerful enough to threaten them, and tried to put paid to that as soon as they could.

This fits in quite nicely with my view of the Emperor, what with him orchestrating large portions of the Great Crusade in order to become a God of Order.

Psienesis wrote:Then why do they care so much about this one speck of sand? If they're truly universal, the Emperor's Great Crusade is not even a minor irritant, let alone an actual threat.

The Emperor's Great Crusade would cut them off from an entire universe of souls feeding them power. Losing the Milky Way would be like a city losing one its largest power plant, and being forced to rely on secondary and tertiary sources for power. Or, at least, that's how I interpret it. It could also be that Chaos just likes this galaxy. Or that the Emperor posed a potential threat to them by becoming another God. We really don't know, it's all speculation.

Note: I said losing the Milky Way = losing a universe, because we have heard no mention of the local Chaos Gods being in any other galaxies, and thus this is the only galaxy in our dimension that they have access to.

I know a lot of what you said have good points, but good sci fi keeps things to one galaxy. You start to loose audience when we get into universe.

I would hate to see that GW made MIlky Way as the center of the universe, yet ....no other intergalactic being are here to claim it...beside the nids. The whole 40k concepts start to unravel real quick when the balance of power of the gods are universal scale....

We have nothing to support that MW galaxy is the center shinny light of the universe and the gods never ever mentioning that. The gods are new to this material galaxy....let's don't even get in to the age of the universe or galaxy....GW got that out of whack too.

Chaos gods are idiots...in cosmic scale...only idiots can claim a galaxy and no more lol.

 david choe wrote:


Chaos gods are idiots...in cosmic scale...only idiots can claim a galaxy and no more lol.

Which is way I like to think that they are stuck to this galaxy due to the Chaos Gods in the corresponding areas of the Warp to other galaxies preventing them from spreading to other galaxies. Basically, each galaxy has Gods that have their dominion in that galaxy, and prevent other Gods from coming to it from other galaxies.

My interpretation of the warp. The warp has no beginning and end and there is no time, in other words...the four dimensions law of physics doesn't apply to the warp.
The dimensions are length, width , height and time. The 4Ds

A good comparison of the warp is our dream. Dreams have no beginning or end or the 4Ds. Example of my nightmare...
Starts....
I am running in the woods being chase by a zombie...he is very slow...yet...I cant run fast enought...he is walking...but yet caught up to me and attack me. He is eating me alive...and then....I am playing a video games and thinking how to beat that game...then I am back to fighting zombie...my wounds healed and I killed it...then I woke up sweating and scared.

This is typical nightmare that we all have had. That is the warp.
Has the zombie always existed or did it exist that night I start the dream? I think it always had existed....just come to be active in my dream when it was its turn to show up.

How big was the woods I was running in? As big or as small as my dream require...so the scale is infinite.

Can you access my dream? No. If yes, then our mind is connected for a time and the dream world is shared.

This is my warp interpretation.
Our galaxy is like a human mind one person mind. The warp or this warp belongs to Milky Way. Galaxy x has its own version of the warp just like another person mind has his own dreams.

When two galaxy beings with enough emotions that can have enough force to cause the two warps to join..it is like two human minds sharing a dream. The stronger mind will control the dream or the stronger warp gods will control the warp.

Can we use the warp to travel beyound the great void, I don't know. I think we can, if the gods let us.

So each warp is infinite in its own realm just like our dream is limitless and the space in our dream is infinite.


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 dusara217 wrote:

 david choe wrote:


Chaos gods are idiots...in cosmic scale...only idiots can claim a galaxy and no more lol.

Which is way I like to think that they are stuck to this galaxy due to the Chaos Gods in the corresponding areas of the Warp to other galaxies preventing them from spreading to other galaxies. Basically, each galaxy has Gods that have their dominion in that galaxy, and prevent other Gods from coming to it from other galaxies.

I think your interpretation is very close to my version.

Who knows...in other galaxies...there could be beings from the material relm that can twist and control the warp and is "invading" the warp or warp killers....a "cleaner" of the material realm.


Yes..the universe is a very big and it is silly to claim that everything (even the warp) are identical as our galaxy and the laws of universe is based on this galaxy.

Well regardless of how you feel about intergalactic Chaos, there's nothing saying they're limited to one galaxy, and other sources put other galaxies in their reach. No one truly comprehends things on that scale, but that's irrelevant in fantasy fiction.
tl;dr dealwiddit

This space Age of Sail. To sail, you need wind. Wind in the warp is supplied by the presence of vast numbers of living things. There are no such things between galaxies. Hence, there is no wind. Hence, your ship won't go anywhere.

Animus wrote:
Well regardless of how you feel about intergalactic Chaos, there's nothing saying they're limited to one galaxy, and other sources put other galaxies in their reach. No one truly comprehends things on that scale, but that's irrelevant in fantasy fiction.
tl;dr dealwiddit

It disagree, I do not see GW mentioning Chaos as intergalactic besides that hyperbolic statement.

I've already read about a God of the universe in three holy books in real life...I escape to this grim dark fiction to meet another grim dark gods of the universe? Ah man...Curse you GW!

 david choe wrote:
It disagree, I do not see GW mentioning Chaos as intergalactic besides that hyperbolic statement.

Why do you assume it's hyperbolic? Given we know Chaos doesn't care much about space and the only thing separating galaxies is space. Then there's Tyranids, they managed to transverse between galaxies, and they do have to account for the massive distance. If they can do it, why not the reality warping Chaos?

 david choe wrote:
I've already read about a God of the universe in three holy books in real life...I escape to this grim dark fiction to meet another grim dark gods of the universe?

Well technically they're Gods of another universe.

Animus wrote:

 david choe wrote:
It disagree, I do not see GW mentioning Chaos as intergalactic besides that hyperbolic statement.

Why do you assume it's hyperbolic? Given we know Chaos doesn't care much about space and the only thing separating galaxies is space. Then there's Tyranids, they managed to transverse between galaxies, and they do have to account for the massive distance. If they can do it, why not the reality warping Chaos?

 david choe wrote:
I've already read about a God of the universe in three holy books in real life...I escape to this grim dark fiction to meet another grim dark gods of the universe?

Well technically they're Gods of another universe.

Because chaos gods are cosmic idiots who do not deserve to ruled the universe. I mean that truthfully. First off, I know they are powerful in this galaxy because they are playing with a stack deck against being from this MW galaxy if you know what I mean. They have so much power, but they are moronic, idiotic, and insane....if any other factions in 40k behave like them...they would have been extinct a long time ago.

Because the universe is a big place...I think there should be other powerful intergalactic empire or being that can create galaxies or destroy galaxies. Theses entities should ruled the universe. The MW just haven't encounter them yet...it is like we are a powerful species on earth, but some ant hill in the middle of some forest is untouch by us...because earth is also a big place.

So two reasons why chaos can't be gods of universe.
1 - they are idiots and insane
2 - they do not seems powerful enough to fight other powerful entities that should be out there.

The truth is...chaos gods are just cosmic idiots that is the prey for the predator gods that will find our Milky Way galaxy one day and will help us mortals defeat those warp idiots. The Emperor heard of these cosmic gods and he was trying to reach out to them...chaos stopped him.

The Chaos gods aren't idiots, that seems a weird word to use for them. We have no comprehension of the way they 'think', we can barely comprehend what they are. The stuff you said about predator gods coming to our galaxy, that's all conjecture right? A theory...