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2015/06/19 09:47:11
Subject: Alexander Hailton to be replaced by a woman on $10 bill
pretre wrote: Reading comprehension? He's sharing the bill with a woman.
Really? I'm pretty sure the article I read earlier on the BBC didn't mention that. Not that it makes a difference, either I'm wrong, or they'll have edited it by now. Although where would you put two people on the bill? Isn't there only that oval in the middle with the portrait?
The article linked in the first post not only says that in the text, but actually says it in the URL.
Well yes, there is that!
Anyway, the USA is a representative democracy - so sure, go out there and represent, those of you who really care about this sort of thing!
Alexander Hamilton has headlined the $10 note since 1929
The US Treasury Department says a redesigned $10 note will feature a woman, but who she will be has not been decided.
The new note will debut in 2020 to mark the 100th anniversary of the US Constitution's 19th amendment, which gave women the right to vote.
The treasury will seek the public's input in the selection, looking for a "champion for our inclusive democracy".
Former US political leaders - all white men - currently headline US notes.
The woman who the Treasury Department ultimately selects will replace Alexander Hamilton, a key figure in the American Revolution and the first secretary of the US Treasury.
Hamilton began appearing on the $10 note in 1929. He along with diplomat and inventor Ben Franklin are the only non-presidents featured on current US notes.
Native American Sacagawea was briefly featured on US dollar coins
Women have been featured on US money before, but the notes and coins were not widely used. Most recently women's rights activist Susan B Anthony and Native American Sacagawea appeared on dollar coins, but both coins quickly went out circulation.
The primary goal of the redesign is to add measures to thwart counterfeiters, the Treasury Department said. But women's groups have recently pressed for more representation on US notes.
"We have only made changes to the faces on our currency a few times since bills were first put into circulation, and I'm proud that the new 10 will be the first bill in more than a century to feature the portrait of a woman," said Treasury Secretary Jacob Lew.
In March, an independent group held a contest to select a woman to headline the $20 note, replacing former President Andrew Jackson.
Abolitionist Harriet Tubman was the public's top choice, beating out finalists, former first lady Eleanor Roosevelt, civil rights activist Rosa Parks and leader of the Cherokee nation Wilma Mankiller.
Tubman was known as the "conductor" of the Underground Railroad that allowed many slaves to escape to freedom in the 1850s.
Mr Lew will make a decision about the selected woman by the end of year.
It genuinely doesn't say anything about sharing the bill. Which, given that it's in the URL of the source you posted, might be a bit of an oversight.
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2015/06/19 11:03:17
Subject: Alexander Hailton to be replaced by a woman on $10 bill
timetowaste85 wrote: Are your country's traditions being challenged for no reason?
Here is my take on traditions. They are great… as long as you keep them around because you like them. When they become restrictive, when they are more like laws that you abide to because you have to rather than habit that you keep because you enjoy them, that is when you need to get rid of them.
Are you not a big over-reacting here? When ISIS blow up some ancient Buddha statue, that is destroying a country's heritage. When the U.S. government decide to change what is on their bills, that is not destroying anything. Collectors will certainly keep the old bill, that anyone who actually wants to will still be able to see.
I should know about it, I remember when my country changed every bill we had to something else. You know, when we went from Franc to Euros. I certainly do not feel like my country's heritage was destroyed. You could say I am partial, but I guess Siegvatr, who is more on your side of the issue, can confirm that neither was Germany's heritage destroyed when the bills were changed, regardless of whether the change was economically a good one.
Actually, I am not sure who was on the bills before, and I am not sure who is on the bills now. I am pretty sure we must have a Marianne somewhere.
I guess we do not care about our historical figures nearly as much as U.S. people, likely because we have a way longer history. Which means that for examples, we do not have founding fathers. Because we do not have a founding. There is no event where you can say “Before that there was no France, after this there was a France”. It is so much more nuanced than this.
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2015/06/19 12:17:54
Subject: Alexander Hailton to be replaced by a woman on $10 bill
timetowaste85 wrote: Are your country's traditions being challenged for no reason?
Here is my take on traditions. They are great… as long as you keep them around because you like them. When they become restrictive, when they are more like laws that you abide to because you have to rather than habit that you keep because you enjoy them, that is when you need to get rid of them.
I like the tradition of honoring men who changed our nation's history and created the building blocks of the nation we would become. I'm fully supportive of honoring anyone who made a difference. I'd support an MLK $5 coin, or a Rosa Parks $25 dollar bill, if it was discussed to put them into production. Hell, why not? They did a lot for racial equality and made serious changes to this country where it was needed. But Hamilton was a founding father and set up our bank system. Now we're supposed to remove his memory from that same banking system? Um...no. To me, it's all about honor and respect. I'm happy to honor people everyone who has had an impact on my country. I'm less than happy to remove an honor from one person to give it to someone else; which is what's being suggested here. That's the part I take issue with.
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2015/06/19 12:37:49
Subject: Alexander Hailton to be replaced by a woman on $10 bill
Well first off, nothing is being removed. He is being given the honor of sharing his bill with another person. They are not going to round up all of the old bills and burn them. So his place still stays the same.
Second, Hamilton has more than just money to honor him. In fact I hear he is written about quite extensively in history books. They even teach that stuff in schools!
The part you take issue with is kind of ridiculous when you look at it. We have a man who has been on currency for a very very long time and they are making the suggestion that he share that bill with another person. He will not be erased, like you keep implying. But instead they are bestowing an honor on another person also. Seems fine to me. A lot more than our founding fathers have done great things for this country and they deserve recognition.
But, since I think other Americans should also be honored and I disagree with your view, I am off to look at places in Canada.
2015/06/19 12:44:08
Subject: Re:Alexander Hailton to be replaced by a woman on $10 bill
- Abraham Lincoln
- Samuel P. Chase
- Daniel Webster
- Pocahontas
- "Liberty"
- Benjamin Franklin
- Robert Morris
- Thomas A. Hendricks
- Philip Sheridan
- Lewis & Clark
- a bison
- Michael Hillegas
- Andrew Jackson
- Alexander Hamilton
2015/06/19 12:45:14
Subject: Re:Alexander Hailton to be replaced by a woman on $10 bill
d-usa wrote: People that have been featured on the $10:
- Abraham Lincoln
- Samuel P. Chase
- Daniel Webster
- Pocahontas
- "Liberty"
- Benjamin Franklin
- Robert Morris
- Thomas A. Hendricks
- Philip Sheridan
- Lewis & Clark
- a bison
- Michael Hillegas
- Andrew Jackson
- Alexander Hamilton
We have such a proud history of changing who is on the $10 bill! How dare anyone suggest we stop changing it!
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2015/06/19 14:14:16
Subject: Alexander Hailton to be replaced by a woman on $10 bill
timetowaste85 wrote: Now we're supposed to remove his memory from that same banking system?
Think of it as more of a turn-over thing. He has been honored by being part of the turnover. See d-usa's post for more people that are part of the turnover.
And, unless I am mistaken, he will still be learn about in schools, right? That seems much more important to his memory than being on the bill.
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2015/06/19 14:24:19
Subject: Alexander Hailton to be replaced by a woman on $10 bill
timetowaste85 wrote: So, wow, they're talking of replacing two individuals from our money because "reasons"? feth that. Keep the damn traditions.
Meh.
There have been lots of changes to our currency over the years. It's just that we haven't done it in a while.
Slavery was a tradition, after all. So was beating your wife with a rod so long as it was no thicker than your thumb (Rule of Thumb). So was a woman's place is in the home.
Sometimes traditions are dumb.
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2015/06/19 14:43:02
Subject: Re:Alexander Hailton to be replaced by a woman on $10 bill
Why the 10$ bill? Is it because that's how much a good sammich cost?
Secondly, and seriously, how come we don't just cycle through a bunch of historical figures? Seems to me that it could make everyone happy AND make it harder to counterfit... know what I mean?
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2015/06/19 14:56:20
Subject: Alexander Hailton to be replaced by a woman on $10 bill
timetowaste85 wrote: So, wow, they're talking of replacing two individuals from our money because "reasons"? feth that. Keep the damn traditions.
Meh.
There have been lots of changes to our currency over the years. It's just that we haven't done it in a while.
Slavery was a tradition, after all. So was beating your wife with a rod so long as it was no thicker than your thumb (Rule of Thumb). So was a woman's place is in the home.
Sometimes traditions are dumb.
Embrace change! Embrace it like you would a bag of Cheetos and then chase that change with hope in the form of Mountain Dew!
timetowaste85 wrote: So, wow, they're talking of replacing two individuals from our money because "reasons"? feth that. Keep the damn traditions.
Meh.
There have been lots of changes to our currency over the years. It's just that we haven't done it in a while.
Slavery was a tradition, after all. So was beating your wife with a rod so long as it was no thicker than your thumb (Rule of Thumb). So was a woman's place is in the home.
Sometimes traditions are dumb.
Embrace change! Embrace it like you would a bag of Cheetos and then chase that change with hope in the form of Mountain Dew!
"can't do much damage with that now, can ya? Perhaps it shoulda been the rule of wrist?"
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Perhaps we should redo all of our money... I think the $5 bill should have the Jackson 5 on it, to help people remember that it's worth 5 bucks. I don't know who would go on the 10 though...
2015/06/19 15:20:55
Subject: Alexander Hailton to be replaced by a woman on $10 bill
timetowaste85 wrote: So, wow, they're talking of replacing two individuals from our money because "reasons"? feth that. Keep the damn traditions.
Meh.
There have been lots of changes to our currency over the years. It's just that we haven't done it in a while.
Slavery was a tradition, after all. So was beating your wife with a rod so long as it was no thicker than your thumb (Rule of Thumb). So was a woman's place is in the home.
Sometimes traditions are dumb.
Embrace change! Embrace it like you would a bag of Cheetos and then chase that change with hope in the form of Mountain Dew!
It looks like it originated as a carpenter's term.
Origin of the phrase
The exact origin of the phrase is uncertain. The earliest known citation comes from J. Durham’s Heaven upon Earth, 1685, ii. 217: "Many profest Christians are like to foolish builders, who build by guess, and by rule of thumb."[1] The phrase also exists in other languages, for example Italian "Regola del pollice", Swedish tumregel, Norwegian and Danish tommelfingerregel, sometimes in the variant "rule of fist", for example Finnish nyrkkisääntö, Estonian rusikareegel, German Faustregel and Pi mal Daumen, Hungarian ökölszabály or Dutch vuistregel, as well as in Turkish parmak hesabı, and in Hebrew "כלל אצבע" (rule of finger) and in Persian "قاعده سرانگشتی," which is translated as finger tip's rule. This suggests that it has some antiquity, and does not originate in specifically Germanic language culture.[citation needed]
Thumb as measurement device
The term is thought to originate with carpenters who used the width of their thumbs (i.e., inches) rather than rulers for measuring things, cementing its modern use as an imprecise yet reliable and convenient standard.[2] This sense of thumb as a unit of measure also appears in Dutch, in which the word for thumb, duim, also means inch.[3] The use of a single word or cognate for "inch" and "thumb" is common in many Indo-European languages, for example, French: pouce inch/thumb; Italian: pollice inch/thumb; Spanish: pulgada inch, pulgar thumb; Portuguese: polegada inch, polegar thumb; Swedish: tum inch, tumme thumb; Sanskrit: angulam inch, anguli finger; Slovak: palec, Slovene: palec inch/thumb, Czech: palec inch/thumb. Also in some other languages such as Thai: nîw inch/finger, Hungarian: hüvelyk inch/thumb.
Another possible origin of the phrase comes from measurement, in particular in agricultural fields. The plants need a fairly precise depth to seed properly, whether planted from seed or being replanted, but the depth can sometimes be estimated using the thumb. That is, a "rule (measurement) of thumb". According to Gary Martin, "The origin of the phrase remains unknown. It is likely that it refers to one of the numerous ways that thumbs have been used to estimate things—judging the alignment or distance of an object by holding the thumb in one's eye-line, the temperature of brews of beer, measurement of an inch from the joint to the nail to the tip, or across the thumb, etc. The phrase joins the whole nine yards as one that probably derives from some form of measurement but which is unlikely ever to be definitively pinned down."[4]
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2015/06/19 16:02:06
Subject: Re:Alexander Hailton to be replaced by a woman on $10 bill
Can we move on a moment from the discussion of whether or not to change who is on the bill to who we think should be on the $10 bill? Keeping with the Treasury's intent of putting a woman on the bill and the general tradition that the person being honored must be deceased who is on your short list of who should go on the bill? Mine is;
Molly Pitcher
Abigail Adams
Sacajawea
Susan B. Anthony
Harriet Tubman
Clara Barton
Eleanor Roosevelt
Having given that list, I think Martin Luther King Jr. is much more deserving of being on a dollar bill before any of the ladies listed especially given the historical legacy and positions held by those currently depicted on the dollar bills (listed below).
US$ 1: George Washington
US$ 2: Thomas Jefferson
US$ 5: Abraham Lincoln
US$ 10: Alexander Hamilton
US$ 20: Andrew Jackson
US$ 50: Ulysses S. Grant
US$ 100: Benjamin Franklin
US$ 500: William McKinley
US$ 1000: Grover Cleveland
US$ 5000: James Madison
US$ 10 000: Salmon P. Chase
US$ 100 000: Woodrow Wilson
Ultimately, this all just smacks of tokenism and consequently might serve to do a disservice to the memory of the person selected instead of elevating that person to the level of regard that the other individuals shown on the bills in common circulation are held in.
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2015/06/19 16:12:25
Subject: Re:Alexander Hailton to be replaced by a woman on $10 bill
Why the 10$ bill? Is it because that's how much a good sammich cost?
Secondly, and seriously, how come we don't just cycle through a bunch of historical figures? Seems to me that it could make everyone happy AND make it harder to counterfit... know what I mean?
That would actually make it easier to counterfeit.
Because there would be potentially dozens of possible variations for legal bills of a particular denomination it would be tough to catch them. You need a scanner for each variant of each bill.
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Lord of Deeds wrote: Can we move on a moment from the discussion of whether or not to change who is on the bill to who we think should be on the $10 bill? Keeping with the Treasury's intent of putting a woman on the bill and the general tradition that the person being honored must be deceased who is on your short list of who should go on the bill? Mine is;
Molly Pitcher
Abigail Adams
Sacajawea
Susan B. Anthony
Harriet Tubman
Clara Barton
Eleanor Roosevelt
Having given that list, I think Martin Luther King Jr. is much more deserving of being on a dollar bill before any of the ladies listed especially given the historical legacy and positions held by those currently depicted on the dollar bills (listed below).
US$ 1: George Washington
US$ 2: Thomas Jefferson
US$ 5: Abraham Lincoln
US$ 10: Alexander Hamilton
US$ 20: Andrew Jackson
US$ 50: Ulysses S. Grant
US$ 100: Benjamin Franklin
US$ 500: William McKinley
US$ 1000: Grover Cleveland
US$ 5000: James Madison
US$ 10 000: Salmon P. Chase
US$ 100 000: Woodrow Wilson
Ultimately, this all just smacks of tokenism and consequently might serve to do a disservice to the memory of the person selected instead of elevating that person to the level of regard that the other individuals shown on the bills in common circulation are held in.
Looks like all people on the dollar are either presidents or founders of the US?
Would be strange to break that up. IMO, rather than just change one single bill, they should change all of them so they can introduce an entire new series. Otherwise you end up with a single bill feeling out of place in the series.
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2015/06/19 16:49:58
Subject: Re:Alexander Hailton to be replaced by a woman on $10 bill
Damn... Leave it to Kronk to solve all of the worlds problems. Call up Alan Greenspan, or whoever is in charge of that gak show now, and get this done asap.
2015/06/19 17:37:05
Subject: Alexander Hailton to be replaced by a woman on $10 bill
When we say that something is the best thing since sliced bread, we mean that it's the greatest thing to happen for a very long time. We'd love to say that Betty White is the best thing since sliced bread, but really sliced bread might've been the best thing since Betty White. White was born in 1922, and bread wasn't sliced until 1928.
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2015/06/19 17:49:27
Subject: Re:Alexander Hailton to be replaced by a woman on $10 bill
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2015/06/19 18:47:26
Subject: Alexander Hailton to be replaced by a woman on $10 bill
I would grudgingly accept giving up my preservation of history for Whembly's suggestion. Boobs on money seems an appropriate thing given how much money is spent on boobs.
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2015/06/19 19:21:38
Subject: Alexander Hailton to be replaced by a woman on $10 bill
Yah paper money just doesn't do it for me anymore lol.
You know we could also just go with animals and monuments/landmarks on money. Like the turkey on the $50 to make ole Benjamin's ghost happy.
In all seriousness if people are removed then nobody has a legitimate complaint about gender equality on money. Plus the net gain is our money could have even more overt American symbolism that could annoy the rest of the world everytime they are forced to use the U.S. dollar. If you want to talk about an American tradition, annoying the world with displays of American "radness" is probably #1 haha.
Then we could put little micro chips and microphones on money. So when ever you touch them you hear a country song or the sound of a bud being cracked open or even the sound of an A-10 doing a gun run....you know, America stuff.
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2015/06/19 20:16:00
Subject: Alexander Hailton to be replaced by a woman on $10 bill
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2015/06/19 20:17:28
Subject: Alexander Hailton to be replaced by a woman on $10 bill
I wonder, since we apparently have the qualification that a person must be dead in order to put onto our money... What would happen if we put Keith Richards onto a bill?
2015/06/19 20:18:03
Subject: Alexander Hailton to be replaced by a woman on $10 bill
One of the reasons why we don't rotate historical figures and more often is because the cost of printing the money costs more then the money you print is worth.....kind of counter productive right? As far as changing them on a rotating basis when the bill is actually do for an update? yeah go for it, But allow the citizens to vote on persons based on historical significance not based on their gender.
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't honoring someone specifically because of their race/gender basically racism/sexism?
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2015/06/19 20:20:28
Subject: Alexander Hailton to be replaced by a woman on $10 bill
Ensis Ferrae wrote: I wonder, since we apparently have the qualification that a person must be dead in order to put onto our money... What would happen if we put Keith Richards onto a bill?
feth that guy! He's British!
If foreigners want to use 'Merican money, they have to look at a fething foil American Flag waving at them.
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2015/06/19 20:22:22
Subject: Alexander Hailton to be replaced by a woman on $10 bill
Ghazkuul wrote: One of the reasons why we don't rotate historical figures and more often is because the cost of printing the money costs more then the money you print is worth.....kind of counter productive right? As far as changing them on a rotating basis when the bill is actually do for an update? yeah go for it, But allow the citizens to vote on persons based on historical significance not based on their gender.
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't honoring someone specifically because of their race/gender basically racism/sexism?
