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2015/07/14 18:39:29
Subject: Current Weakest armies?
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Ancient Venerable Dark Angels Dreadnought
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 Thairne wrote:I honestly don't get the entire CSM hate.
I played basically solely against CSM for the better part of two years and once he started bringing out the better stuff of the codex I couldn't win a dime anymore.
Nurgle Bikers with a Nurgle Sorcerer and Melta. Tough to deal with.
Bale Flamer Heldrakes, 2+. A nightmare to actually hurt.
Noise Marines with huge volume of shots and FNP, sitting in cover, are damn resilient.
A flying Nurgle DP that keeps plonking down a Squad of Demonettes per turn whereever he pleases.
Cheap troops in cultists.
Once you add in FW it becomes downright nasty.
Sonic Dreadnoughts that put out respectable firepower at distance, e.g.
I've yet to play a game where I don't get tabled by turn 3 due to huge volumes of S6-8 AP3 Ignore Cover firepower or 70 pts freely summoend demonettes that swipe a unit per turn in assault.
Yes, I'm bad, but CSM have their gems and if you use them right they can become downright nasty. Not tournament winning nasty, but kick every of my attempts in the groin nasty.
What the hell are your lists man lol? Even 6th Ed Dark Angels were still well tailored to brutally murdering Chaos Space Marines. You need a Knight or drop pod spam.
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2015/07/14 18:56:16
Subject: Current Weakest armies?
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Shas'la with Pulse Carbine
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"I typically avoid looking at allies when it comes to this. Some armies can't make good use of them, others can combine 5 armies and take a powerhouse list just because."
I agree, judging how good an army is should be how good it can do solo.
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Down with Allies, Solo 2016! |
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2015/07/14 18:57:30
Subject: Current Weakest armies?
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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"I typically avoid looking at allies when it comes to this. Some armies can't make good use of them, others can combine 5 armies and take a powerhouse list just because."
I agree, judging how good an army is should be how good it can do solo.
And armies should stay solo. Get rid of the Ally matrix. Solo 2016. 
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40k:
8th Edtion: 9405 pts - Varantekh Dynasty  |
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2015/07/14 19:09:19
Subject: Current Weakest armies?
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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 Hawkeye888 wrote:I agree, judging how good an army is should be how good it can do solo.
Yes. Otherwise every IoM army turns in to "take BA allies so you can add more drop pods".
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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2015/07/14 19:12:49
Subject: Current Weakest armies?
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Killer Klaivex
The dark behind the eyes.
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 blood reaper wrote:I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
 the_scotsman wrote:Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
 Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"
Akiasura wrote:I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.
 insaniak wrote:
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
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2015/07/14 19:16:59
Subject: Current Weakest armies?
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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 Melissia wrote: Hawkeye888 wrote:I agree, judging how good an army is should be how good it can do solo.
Yes. Otherwise every IoM army turns in to "take BA allies so you can add more drop pods".
Rally behind my flag. Together, we shall bring about the end of the Ally matrix. Solo 2016!
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40k:
8th Edtion: 9405 pts - Varantekh Dynasty |
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2015/07/14 19:29:01
Subject: Current Weakest armies?
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Dakka Veteran
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Amen. Krodarklorr for presi.. CEO!!
Meanwhile eldar and marines are lolzing somewhere going "allies we don't need no stinkin' allies"
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2015/07/14 19:32:42
Subject: Current Weakest armies?
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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dominuschao wrote:Amen. Krodarklorr for presi.. CEO!!
Meanwhile eldar and marines are lolzing somewhere going "allies we don't need no stinkin' allies"
If I am elected, I promise to segregate the Imperium of man, so players must actually learn to play the game and adapt to different scenarios and armies, instead of allying in only the good stuff. And no more Dark Eldar Taxi Service, or Tyranids with their Imperial Knight allies!
Solo 2016
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40k:
8th Edtion: 9405 pts - Varantekh Dynasty |
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2015/07/14 19:35:49
Subject: Current Weakest armies?
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Killer Klaivex
The dark behind the eyes.
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 krodarklorr wrote:
If I am elected, I promise to segregate the Imperium of man, so players must actually learn to play the game and adapt to different scenarios and armies, instead of allying in only the good stuff. And no more Dark Eldar Taxi Service, or Tyranids with their Imperial Knight allies!
Solo 2016
Well, I'm sold. 
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blood reaper wrote:I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote:Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
Andilus Greatsword wrote:
"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"
Akiasura wrote:I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.
insaniak wrote:
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
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2015/07/14 20:45:25
Subject: Current Weakest armies?
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Shas'la with Pulse Carbine
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krodarklorr wrote: Melissia wrote: Hawkeye888 wrote:I agree, judging how good an army is should be how good it can do solo.
Yes. Otherwise every IoM army turns in to "take BA allies so you can add more drop pods".
Rally behind my flag. Together, we shall bring about the end of the Ally matrix. Solo 2016!
I am so in on this! Solo 2016!
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2015/07/14 21:00:32
Subject: Re:Current Weakest armies?
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Hallowed Canoness
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 master of ordinance wrote:Imperial Guard.
Out of our 40-50+ units only about 6 of them are actually viable choices and even then 3 of them are of dubious quality:
Compare, Sisters;
9 viable units... out of 15 units available. Not including dedicated transports. Is that better than 6/40? Or worse?
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2015/07/14 21:05:35
Subject: Current Weakest armies?
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
Strike Cruiser Vladislav Volkov
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Hawkeye888 wrote: krodarklorr wrote: Melissia wrote: Hawkeye888 wrote:I agree, judging how good an army is should be how good it can do solo.
Yes. Otherwise every IoM army turns in to "take BA allies so you can add more drop pods".
Rally behind my flag. Together, we shall bring about the end of the Ally matrix. Solo 2016!
I am so in on this! Solo 2016!
Just get rid of Battle Brothers status. Army X shouldn't be able to use Army Y's stuff.
I think it's fun and fluffy to field a small allied detatchment of Farsight Tau with my Astartes sometimes (no Riptides, of course.) Stuff like that is fun. Taudar from 6th, IOM drop pod shennanigans, and Dark Eldar Taxi Service are not fun and not fluffy.
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2015/07/14 21:43:26
Subject: Current Weakest armies?
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Anytime someone allies in BA to get the flesh tearer formation just to use the drop pods, the opponent should get a free BA detachment there to repo the drop pods.
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2015/07/14 21:44:51
Subject: Current Weakest armies?
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Evasive Pleasureseeker
Lost in a blizzard, somewhere near Toronto
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 j31c3n wrote:
Just get rid of Battle Brothers status. Army X shouldn't be able to use Army Y's stuff.
I think it's fun and fluffy to field a small allied detatchment of Farsight Tau with my Astartes sometimes (no Riptides, of course.) Stuff like that is fun. Taudar from 6th, IOM drop pod shennanigans, and Dark Eldar Taxi Service are not fun and not fluffy.
Emphasis mine.
All the huge problems & obnoxious shenanigans that allies bring is simply because of sharing things like transports, special rules, psychic powers/ IC abilities and/or joining various IC's to create some heinous Deathstar, etc...
Remove that particular aspect, and allies are quite sane and far less obnoxious. I think it's insanely fluffy & visually cool to have my Daemons & Chaos Marines together in the same army. I don't want to lose that actual option, but I agree that it makes no sense at all that I can shove a unit consisting of Abaddon + a Locus of Hatred Khorne Herald + Kharn + Berserkers into a Land Raider, because... "Reasons!"
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