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 Manchu wrote:
Not me! I love all of these ships!

I especially love how the Phantom comes with the Ghost.

The Ghost supposedly attaches to the Phantom and can be deployed that way. Same with the Imperial Assault Carrier. You can physically attach either 2 or 3 tie fighters to it and deploy them during the game somehow.

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Man this is looking to be a sweet wave. I'm honestly most excited for the imperial epic ship surprisingly. This is what we should have gotten first, before the raider in my opinion. Plus more TIE pilots! Never can have enough of those, one of my favorite ships.

I'm also digging the look of the transport, that illicit cloaking device is pretty crazy. Think about it, Z95's cloaking as dirt cheap blockers, talonbane cobra with a cloaking device (6 evade dice at range 3!) Or you can even cloak a hwk 290 like torkhil MUX to keep him alive longer when you expect him to draw fire because of his ability. So many shenanigans possible there.

Not terribly excited about the Rebels designs, but they definitely fit in and bring new things to the table, so I'm happy to see them all the same, even if I may not buy them.

Only thing I'm annoyed about is no Rogue Squadron box. We're at wave 8 and STILL don't have a rogue squadron upgrade, generic, or title card.

Honestly, I expect FFG has an X-wing fix lined up and ready to fire, but are just waiting for the go-ahead from the mouse to release tie-ins to the sequels.

It's talked about in the video I posted, the X Wing, Defender and SCYK are all in line for the Aces type treatment, just awaiting the release window opportunity to do so, which may or may not be down to Ep VII or simply because of the lead times involved in pre-paints.

EDIT Actually, it may be slightly inaccurate to say they're in line for the Aces treatment, there may be no new models, but he's explicit in the sense that he knows those ships need some love.

The Gonzanti should carry 4 TIEs. It can only drop 2 at a time though.

Keep in mind, the cloaking device has a unique dot on it.

I've no specific ideas in mind, but won't the cloak make Xisor a massive PITA?

How do you mean? I am not sure if it pays to make Xizor harder to hit.

Well, Xisor is an end game ship, his big flaw has always been that he's been too fragile to make it that far, now it will be practically impossible to kill him.

Xizor, Autothrusters, Virago, Cloak plus EPT and System to taste could be really, really, strong, and near invincible until he was the last ship, and then super tough.

I've always thought of Xizor as playing mind games. You can shoot him, you need to shoot him, but he's slippery and he can just shrug off the damage onto a mook. So maybe you should go for a different target? But those three red dice ... Making him harder to hit could downshift the mind games.

I've always approached it as there's no point attacking him til his escort's dead, but using him, if he gets caught out of formation, he's dead, which a cloak would mitigate.

Like I said, I've no clear idea, but it feels like there's something there (perhaps for the Viper in general, rather than just Xizor?)

How about Guri?

Yeah, probably suits here better, probably more of an out and out brawler than Xizor, I just struggle with her PS5, as locally we seem to play more elite pilots that tends to expose her a little, and VI removes the opportunity to equip something more interesting.

Yeah we are basically going through why the Star Viper is kind of a disappointing ship.

True!

I'm thinking that cloaking for the first few turns while the initial pass happens, then attacking from a blind position could be a new role/use.

Perhaps with Outmanoeuvre, a Lone Wolf or Predator to really sting.


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Still doesn't stop it being about 3 points too expensive, sadly.

Ive been more successful (virtually undefeated, with the exception of one demo game I played with a new player in which I wasnt particularly trying to hard to win) playing S&V than I have been either Rebels or Imperials, and my typical builds rely heavily on Starvipers and Scyks. Either my meta sucks or y'all are doing it wrong.

Vipers are far from useless, they just need a tweak, but I find it very hard to field Scyks in a world where Zs exist.

Certainly, if the designer publicly admits that Scyks are in need of help, I don't expect we're doing it wrong!

Am I missing a trick with the new cloaking device card? I'd love to put it on my HWK to keep it alive longer in my HWK / Scyk / Scyk / Z95 list but it seems like there is a good chance you will loose the card after a turn or two of use?

Correct, it is unreliable.

Anyone ever noticed roughly how long things remain "on the boat" until they start shipping? I'll be passing my local Indy (50 miles away!) next week and if there's a chance Wave VII may have landed by then I'll be quite excited!

 Siygess wrote:
Am I missing a trick with the new cloaking device card? I'd love to put it on my HWK to keep it alive longer in my HWK / Scyk / Scyk / Z95 list but it seems like there is a good chance you will loose the card after a turn or two of use?

Nope, if anything you're looking at it more closely than most are.

You have focus as 2/8 results on a die, so there's a 1/4 chance it'll burn out any turn. I wouldn't consider it more than a one time use card, and then count every use you get afterwards as a bonus. It's really just a nice trick to keep in your back pocket, and something to play mind games with your opponent, like inertial dampeners

Whatever happened to "No ship that small has a cloaking device?"

 Stormonu wrote:
Whatever happened to "No ship that small has a cloaking device?"

Captain Needa was an idiot is what happened.

Look where he ended up...

 Stormonu wrote:
Whatever happened to "No ship that small has a cloaking device?"

Have you ever seen a ship that size with a cloaking device?

The ghost is pw 4 and can attack twice with the shuttle equipped?

It's either going to be very expensive points wise and/or have a terrible dial. Which wouldn't make sense, since Hera makes that thing out fly the nimble and agile tie fighters.

I suppose cartoon to game doesn't necessarily need to translate.

That new big ship for the rebels looks scarrry.

 Crazyterran wrote:
The ghost is pw 4 and can attack twice with the shuttle equipped?

It's either going to be very expensive points wise and/or have a terrible dial. Which wouldn't make sense, since Hera makes that thing out fly the nimble and agile tie fighters.

I suppose cartoon to game doesn't necessarily need to translate.

That new big ship for the rebels looks scarrry.

Its attack 4 but its a large ship with no turret. The Ghost being docked essentially give it a rear arc, which seems almost essential (seeing as its unlikely the dial will be as good as IG-88, and that ship hasn't broken the game by any means). It also lets you fire a turret upgrade as well - the main issue I can see is how expensive this thing is going to get - its AG 0, so the high PS to arc dodge will be important (40pts for the PS7 one), then you pay for the attached ship (going to be at least 15pts considering its a standalone ship with better PS than a Z-95) and then you pay for the turret on top of that (which you won't be using to full effectiveness without the attachment). You are looking at upwards of 60pts even before adding crew or EPTs (possibly the first single ship list?) so it needs to be very strong. The main thing I'm interested to see is how the attached ship functions when the big ship is destroyed - if its like the YV-666 (Bossk) and it spawns when you die then its much more interesting, otherwise you are potentially paying a huge tax to make use of all those abilities.

Powerguy wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
The ghost is pw 4 and can attack twice with the shuttle equipped?

It's either going to be very expensive points wise and/or have a terrible dial. Which wouldn't make sense, since Hera makes that thing out fly the nimble and agile tie fighters.

I suppose cartoon to game doesn't necessarily need to translate.

That new big ship for the rebels looks scarrry.

Its attack 4 but its a large ship with no turret. The Ghost being docked essentially give it a rear arc, which seems almost essential (seeing as its unlikely the dial will be as good as IG-88, and that ship hasn't broken the game by any means). It also lets you fire a turret upgrade as well - the main issue I can see is how expensive this thing is going to get - its AG 0, so the high PS to arc dodge will be important (40pts for the PS7 one), then you pay for the attached ship (going to be at least 15pts considering its a standalone ship with better PS than a Z-95) and then you pay for the turret on top of that (which you won't be using to full effectiveness without the attachment). You are looking at upwards of 60pts even before adding crew or EPTs (possibly the first single ship list?) so it needs to be very strong. The main thing I'm interested to see is how the attached ship functions when the big ship is destroyed - if its like the YV-666 (Bossk) and it spawns when you die then its much more interesting, otherwise you are potentially paying a huge tax to make use of all those abilities.

Another thing that would make it really usefl is if you were able to borrow the shuttles pilot ability with Ghost- giving a reason to run named shuttles.

Ghost has its own Pilot cards, it can be run independently, so it wouldn't surprise me if you can buy pilots separately for both.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Ghost has its own Pilot cards, it can be run independently, so it wouldn't surprise me if you can buy pilots separately for both.

That's not even the question. The question they've been pondering is will docking provide any benefit beside the extra arc and attack., like combined named pilot Skills.

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
like combined named pilot Skills.

What? Why? The pilot of the docked Phantom is not also flying the Ghost.

 HisDivineShadow wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Ghost has its own Pilot cards, it can be run independently, so it wouldn't surprise me if you can buy pilots separately for both.

That's not even the question. The question they've been pondering is will docking provide any benefit beside the extra arc and attack., like combined named pilot Skills.

Yeah, anyone asking that question probably hasn't thought about it hard enough before asking it.

There'll be a variety of crew and pilot cards, but it's fairly obvious to me that won't be happening, it doesn't work mechanically or narratively.

A second arc, a second attack and a second ship if needed seems a compelling enough package to me.

I'm not sure I am in love with Wave 8 quick at a glance, but feel compelled to place my usual order of "Two of everything". Since the wife and I both play, the everything x2 has served us pretty well and means we end up with plenty of the upgrade cards we might want or need.

That said, I love the "docking/launching" idea shown on Ghost and the Gozanti. That could be really fun, and is certainly thematic.