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Why would it be safe to assume that? Do we have any evidence, any evidence at all, that this was done?

After all, the Void Dragon was defeated within the historic time-line of current Earth. Not in some Hyborean Age or in some time yet to come. The tale of this battle gave rise to the legend of Saint George and the Dragon. Saint George was a real guy. We know when he lived and what the world was like when he was in it.

The mid-atlantic bloop was the Void Dragon rolling over in his sleep?

The real answer probably involves a Force Bubble to hold the air in and Gate of Infinity to step to Mars.

This thread is a fine example of why 40k's fluff is getting ever worse. From highly potent psyker with a genius intelect to mary sue in just one (mostly) badly written book series. Yay Horus Heresy.

KingDeath wrote:
This thread is a fine example of why 40k's fluff is getting ever worse. From highly potent psyker with a genius intelect to mary sue in just one (mostly) badly written book series. Yay Horus Heresy.

sad, but true

Never read the HH series, or any part of it. The Emperor has always been depicted in terms of ultra-powerful ratings. The Emp vs Void Dragon is a reference to the belief that the Emperor was the inspiration for the legends of Saint George. When the Void Dragon was introduced, it was fleshed out further (as now we were told what dragon, exactly, he defeated), but the original story is basically unchanged.

The battle with the Void Dragon I believe would have had to have occurred many centuries or even millenniums before the emperor would reach the height of his powers. The book Vengeful spirit details some of the backstory behind the rise of the Emperor, and Horus's attempts to capture that same power. He is known to be the most powerful human psyker ever to live, as well as a perpetual, but its not until the events described in vengeful spirit that he becomes the Emperor. Really interesting book, but since its 30 books in not many have gotten a chance to read it.

He was capable of standing before the Heresy.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
The implications arise from the fact that a Shard of the Void Dragon has a fraction of the whole Void Dragon's strength. If the Emperor fought a Shard and only won by luckily spotting that weak point, then the whole C'tan, being more powerful than any shard by a significant amount, must therefore be much stronger than the Emperor, who fought it to a standstill.

C'tan shards are stated as having the same raw power

Absolutely not. They're much weaker.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

Selym= wrote:Cats. Cat's don't give a damn, and they are highly complex beings.Highly complex beings who are happy to spent 80% of their time sleeping, and the other 20% getting food.

Creatures on Earth evolved needs for social interaction because it helped them survive. The C'tan have no such need - if anything stands in their way they drop the power of a star onto it.

You have never owned a cat.

I have, and I have a scar just above my left eye to prove it

I like cats, but they are antisocial sods at times.

Well, so are people, at times. Even dogs need their own space as well.

Anecdotes aside, my pount is that cats never evolved a need for social structure. They'll cooperate when it suits them, but they're usually fine without it. Dogs and humans have a need fir that sort of thing.

The parallel being that the C'tan don't feel a need for social structure, because they never grew to need it.

Cats as you're thinking of did evolve one though. Their evolved social structure just happens to include more humans than other cats. They are, after all, the only species known to have domesticated themselves.

Actually, that might be an apt analogy - cats are C'tan and humans are Necrontyr!

Cat social structures also aren't readily apparent because almost all cats tend to be solitary hunters, lions being an exception. But even "solitary" cats like Tigers and Leopards do maintain some social relationships. They're just a lot looser than lions or dogs.

And domestic cats can definitely be social with each other.

Well, this hasn't gone OT at all...


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 mace_ace wrote:
He was capable of standing before the Heresy.

This is way funnier than it should be.

From what I've gathered the emperor is the reincarnation of 6? Of humanities most powerful psychic shamans killing themselves at the same time and combining in reincarnation into 1 being.
He was able to foresee thousands of years into the future.
He could nullify warp power.
Stop time.
Teleport at will
As for what he could or could not do that falls prey to "what he chose not to do" in order to keep humanity on the very small path to survival. He has obviously lied/withheld information but each time that made people act exactly the way they did to achieve those results.
You can also refer to magnus's powers as the emperor taught him as well.(not all of it obviously)

 dusara217 wrote:
Well, this hasn't gone OT at all...


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 mace_ace wrote:
He was capable of standing before the Heresy.

This is way funnier than it should be.

Now how did I miss this nugget?

But yea, on the Emperor trapping the Void Dragon on Mars thing, the fluff comes from before the Necrons were revamped and the C'tan became splintered. Either way, it's still impressive.

Blitzen the Solitaire wrote:From what I've gathered the emperor is the reincarnation of 6? Of humanities most powerful psychic shamans killing themselves at the same time and combining in reincarnation into 1 being.
He was able to foresee thousands of years into the future.
He could nullify warp power.
Stop time.
Teleport at will
As for what he could or could not do that falls prey to "what he chose not to do" in order to keep humanity on the very small path to survival. He has obviously lied/withheld information but each time that made people act exactly the way they did to achieve those results.
You can also refer to magnus's powers as the emperor taught him as well.(not all of it obviously)

According to Lost and the Damned, it was all the Shamans in Anatolia; a mass suicide.

Supposedly thousands of them, yeah.

The idea of the thousands of suicides at once was to overwhelm the Daemons that had been consuming the Shamans' souls one by one, and create a Super-Shaman who didn't need to worry about Daemons NOMing his soul.

It wasn't just in Anatolia, it was across the whole world. Anatolia is just where the Shaman's reincarnated together in the person of the Emperor.

The Shamans themselves were around the world wherever humans were, they were the political and religious leaders. They were able to communicate with each other and coordinate the mass suicide to be simultaneous.

I"m just going to reread the Emps portion of the Lost and the Damned...