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2016/04/09 00:28:07
Subject: USA's Womens soccer team suing for wage discrimination
Just out of curiosity where did you see Tony Parker losing to Candace Parker in a game of one on one? I can't seem to find it online.
Around 2004 or 2005, before the widespread use of digital cameras.
So no news story, not coverage, you just happened to be nearby as these two professional caliber players were having a friendly game of one on one? Sorry for not placing and credibility to your story.
The more I personally think on the Parker/Parker game, the more I seem to remember that ESPN did run one of those "in other, fun news" kinds of stories. There weren't many people, ESPN didn't have any cameras there, but there was one of those playground "best 2/3?" type bets placed.
I could be misremembering something from around that timeframe, it could very well have never happened. But then again, it could have happened.
2016/04/09 00:46:28
Subject: USA's Womens soccer team suing for wage discrimination
Please guys, can we move on from the sarcastic responses to "if I can't see it online I don't believe you". We get it, you disagree, but the repeated reinforcing of this is getting off topic. Thanks
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2016/04/09 02:10:40
Subject: USA's Womens soccer team suing for wage discrimination
So no news story, not coverage, you just happened to be nearby as these two professional caliber players were having a friendly game of one on one? Sorry for not placing and credibility to your story.
I went to high school with both of Tony Parker's younger brothers, he was at my graduation, and Candace Parker went to high school a 10-minute drive away. We were all friends, because athletes tend to acquire athletic friends, and athletes tend to ask the question "Can X beat Y at Z?" In this case, because Candace had beaten both Pierre and T.J. in one on one games, the question was can she beat Tony? She did.
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2016/04/09 02:39:31
Subject: USA's Womens soccer team suing for wage discrimination
So no news story, not coverage, you just happened to be nearby as these two professional caliber players were having a friendly game of one on one? Sorry for not placing and credibility to your story.
I went to high school with both of Tony Parker's younger brothers, he was at my graduation, and Candace Parker went to high school a 10-minute drive away. We were all friends, because athletes tend to acquire athletic friends, and athletes tend to ask the question "Can X beat Y at Z?" In this case, because Candace had beaten both Pierre and T.J. in one on one games, the question was can she beat Tony? She did.
Just to point out the flaw in so many of these arguments I see on Dakka now, a conservative view point is put forward with anecdotal evidence, IE first hand experience, and is immediately set upon by the more liberal members of dakka as being completely untrue because it is anecdotal and therefore not fact.
On the flip side we have experts in a particular field, in this case women in basketball, IE the coach of the UConn women's team. That is being refuted by a liberal minded member of the dakka community, using nothing but anecdotal evidence, and instead of being ridiculed by the same people who did the exact same thing to other anecdotal evidence they instead jump to his defense when someone points out the flaw in his evidence.
Just wanted to show how hypocritical we all can be
I think we're veering well and truly off the rails topic-wise.
"USA's Womens soccer team suing for wage discrimination" is the topic. Stick to it. "They didn't listen to my argument so they're hypocrites" isn't the topic.
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2016/04/09 09:23:21
Subject: USA's Womens soccer team suing for wage discrimination
So no news story, not coverage, you just happened to be nearby as these two professional caliber players were having a friendly game of one on one? Sorry for not placing and credibility to your story.
I went to high school with both of Tony Parker's younger brothers, he was at my graduation, and Candace Parker went to high school a 10-minute drive away. We were all friends, because athletes tend to acquire athletic friends, and athletes tend to ask the question "Can X beat Y at Z?" In this case, because Candace had beaten both Pierre and T.J. in one on one games, the question was can she beat Tony? She did.
Just to point out the flaw in so many of these arguments I see on Dakka now, a conservative view point is put forward with anecdotal evidence, IE first hand experience, and is immediately set upon by the more liberal members of dakka as being completely untrue because it is anecdotal and therefore not fact.
On the flip side we have experts in a particular field, in this case women in basketball, IE the coach of the UConn women's team. That is being refuted by a liberal minded member of the dakka community, using nothing but anecdotal evidence, and instead of being ridiculed by the same people who did the exact same thing to other anecdotal evidence they instead jump to his defense when someone points out the flaw in his evidence.
Just wanted to show how hypocritical we all can be
It's not really the same though. Dogmas response was to people claiming that no woman professional player could beat a professional male player. That kind of statement only needs one negative to prove it wrong as it is an all or nothing statement, either no women can (statement=true) or at least one woman can (statement=false). If he had used it to try and say that all women basketball players could beat male players because he saw one woman do it then you might have a point. But he didn't, so you don't.
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2016/04/09 23:39:50
Subject: USA's Womens soccer team suing for wage discrimination
So no news story, not coverage, you just happened to be nearby as these two professional caliber players were having a friendly game of one on one? Sorry for not placing and credibility to your story.
I went to high school with both of Tony Parker's younger brothers, he was at my graduation, and Candace Parker went to high school a 10-minute drive away. We were all friends, because athletes tend to acquire athletic friends, and athletes tend to ask the question "Can X beat Y at Z?" In this case, because Candace had beaten both Pierre and T.J. in one on one games, the question was can she beat Tony? She did.
Just to point out the flaw in so many of these arguments I see on Dakka now, a conservative view point is put forward with anecdotal evidence, IE first hand experience, and is immediately set upon by the more liberal members of dakka as being completely untrue because it is anecdotal and therefore not fact.
On the flip side we have experts in a particular field, in this case women in basketball, IE the coach of the UConn women's team. That is being refuted by a liberal minded member of the dakka community, using nothing but anecdotal evidence, and instead of being ridiculed by the same people who did the exact same thing to other anecdotal evidence they instead jump to his defense when someone points out the flaw in his evidence.
Just wanted to show how hypocritical we all can be
It's not really the same though. Dogmas response was to people claiming that no woman professional player could beat a professional male player. That kind of statement only needs one negative to prove it wrong as it is an all or nothing statement, either no women can (statement=true) or at least one woman can (statement=false). If he had used it to try and say that all women basketball players could beat male players because he saw one woman do it then you might have a point. But he didn't, so you don't.
Well no, he still needs to provide proof of that event taking place or again its not really evidence and is still anecdotal. Someone could make the same argument for almost anything else, "well its ok in this one instance because he is completely refuting the point the other guy is making with this one example that he can't substantiate with evidence". So no, just because he is changing the context to 1 particular event doesn't lessen the evidence needed to substantiate it.
But as far as the relevance of this goes towards men/women in US soccer. The point still remains that when the US men play they have higher attendance, when the US play in the World Cup they are making more money for FIFA and therefore for the US team because the viewership is literally 4 times higher for that event then it is for the women's world cup.
The only difference between that two is that the women wanted a more inclusive package for their players and the men didn't care. This has to do with the fact that the VAST majority of the US men's national team are playing in Europe and making bank for major teams, where as the Women aren't because Women's soccer at the club level hasn't really picked up.
Do the women of the US national soccer team deserve a raise when the contract is up for renewal? You bet your butt they do, they have won a lot of major events that they deserve it. But something to keep in mind is the playing field they are in. Men have a lot harder time winning because the level of competition is significantly higher, for the Women's it is a handful of teams that are competitive and thats it.
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cincydooley wrote: So not actually hall of famer to be Tony Parker of the Spurs, but middling journeyman Anthony Parker, her older brother.
Nope, it was Tony Parker of the Spurs. It is highly that unlikely you'll believe me, as this is the internet, but I know what I saw.
Both Cheryl and Reggie Miller have stated publically that Cheryl beat Reggie in games of 1 on 1 multiple times. It's no surprise that the greatest women's basketball players can hold their own against male professional players in 1 on 1. Women can be quick, dextrous, have a great handle and be great shooters and that's all you need to school people in 1 on 1.
Women playing in regular basketball games with men would be much more difficult than playing 1 on 1. They'd be a defensive liability because a majority of the men are going to physical mismatches which is going to make routine plays like switching on a pick and roll pretty much impossible for women to do. Finding women capable of boxing out front court players or playing low post defense would be difficult as well, it's just a size mismatch.
Back on topic, the issue isn't whether or not the women's soccer team is better than the men's soccer team the issue is whether or not the women's union negotiated a fair payscale given the amount of revenue the women's team generates. The deal will be collectively bargained and the women should instruct their union reps to get the best deal they can that satisfies the the wants of the players.
If the women want to make as much money as the men for international matches they need to look beyond just US Soccer. Does the women's concacaaf generate the same amount of revenue as the men's concacaaf? Does FIFA give the same amount of support and resources to the women's teams than the men's teams? There are unbiased economic reasons why a women's friendly in a South American country pays out smaller match checks than a men's friendly against the same country.
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2016/05/13 04:26:43
Subject: Re:USA's Womens soccer team suing for wage discrimination
Anyway, well after the fact and back on topic here is a video that Sargon of Akkad did a few days ago (May 7th) it does show all the fallacies that the women's team and their supporters are trumpeting.
