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I want to like AoS, but the balance....I'm glad that GW is doing something. I was going to make a Goblin army for Armies on Parade anyway for fun, be cool to play a few games with it.

Quite honestly I don't think points are going to be more "balanced" than eyeballing and scenarios are. But I think they cater to something else, which is a desire for concrete force organization systems, list building and creating baselines with which to measure your army.

I think it's all good news and the general's handbook is purported to have far more than just points, so I think it's going to be a must-buy for pretty much everyone.

I'm not worried about the influence on the "meta" of the game. I've learned that forums will be constant complaining no matter what happens, and likewise the hobby is constantly much more enjoyable elsewhere, no matter the surrounding circumstances.

Also just saw on Twitter - real involvement from the SCGT guys:

Al Kinsey ‏@AdalbertKinsey 1h1 hour ago
@HeelanHammer great show! So exciting! Do you know how they will determine the point values? Will you be somehow involved?

Dan Heelan
‏@HeelanHammer
@AdalbertKinsey yes and yes can't say more details until a bit further down the line

 Cptskillet wrote:

Dai wrote:

 Cptskillet wrote:
All this news about AoS is pretty exciting. I've had 0 interested up to this point, but with news of gw actually getting some feedback from the community, and the different ways to play, I may just give it a go! Now if I wanted to start with dark elves, would I need the order book?

Nope, if you have a apple or andriod device all warscrolls are available on the Age of Sigmar app, failing that they're on the website if you go to the page of the unit you want and click the rules tab. You'll miss out on some warscroll batallions (formations if you're coming from 40k) but these can be purchased individually on the app for a couple of pounds if you feel you need them.

There's also the compendium for the "legacy" dark elves here but keep in mind some of these scrolls have been updated and will be a little different on the app or their own page. https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Compendiums/warhammer-aos-dark-elves-en.pdf

Thanks for this. I have 0 fantasy models, but I did read the malus darkblade books and loved them. I know fluff wise he's dead, and at looking at the legacy rules, it's nice to see he's still there. However would I be able to use these along with the order serpentis and have it go smoothly?

His buffing command ability won't work on them as they don't have the 'Exile' key word as far as I remember. You can always use the Cold one Knights etc legacy scrolls rather than the Order Serpentis though. I don't imagine many would have a problem with that.

If you don't want to do that his command ability isn't that amazing anyway and he always has Inspiring Presence (the generic ability all generals have) which he can use on them instead.

coldgaming wrote:
Quite honestly I don't think points are going to be more "balanced" than eyeballing and scenarios are. But I think they cater to something else, which is a desire for concrete force organization systems, list building and creating baselines with which to measure your army.

I think it's all good news and the general's handbook is purported to have far more than just points, so I think it's going to be a must-buy for pretty much everyone.

I'm not worried about the influence on the "meta" of the game. I've learned that forums will be constant complaining no matter what happens, and likewise the hobby is constantly much more enjoyable elsewhere, no matter the surrounding circumstances.

Also just saw on Twitter - real involvement from the SCGT guys:

Al Kinsey ‏@AdalbertKinsey 1h1 hour ago
@HeelanHammer great show! So exciting! Do you know how they will determine the point values? Will you be somehow involved?

Dan Heelan
‏@HeelanHammer
@AdalbertKinsey yes and yes can't say more details until a bit further down the line

This is good as the SCGT guys seem to be the most trusted of the various fan points systems, and everyone has always said for years in 40K that GW ought to get playtest input from outside the company to help refine points values.

OTOH it casts some doubt on the idea that GW were planning over a year ago to introduce points. They couldn't have known at that time how much people would want points, and that some fan made systems would be created for them to work together with.

Talking in my local GW today, apparently the book will be £15? WIN! - and the points are just flat lists of point values for each warscroll (including legacy) using the minimum unit size. I.e pool costs.

So in the same way SCGT was based on Clash Comp x5, I guess this will be based on SCGT x 20

If the SCGT guys have continuous input on new point values, this is going to be awesome!

Dai wrote:

 Cptskillet wrote:

Dai wrote:

 Cptskillet wrote:
All this news about AoS is pretty exciting. I've had 0 interested up to this point, but with news of gw actually getting some feedback from the community, and the different ways to play, I may just give it a go! Now if I wanted to start with dark elves, would I need the order book?

Nope, if you have a apple or andriod device all warscrolls are available on the Age of Sigmar app, failing that they're on the website if you go to the page of the unit you want and click the rules tab. You'll miss out on some warscroll batallions (formations if you're coming from 40k) but these can be purchased individually on the app for a couple of pounds if you feel you need them.

There's also the compendium for the "legacy" dark elves here but keep in mind some of these scrolls have been updated and will be a little different on the app or their own page. https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Compendiums/warhammer-aos-dark-elves-en.pdf

Thanks for this. I have 0 fantasy models, but I did read the malus darkblade books and loved them. I know fluff wise he's dead, and at looking at the legacy rules, it's nice to see he's still there. However would I be able to use these along with the order serpentis and have it go smoothly?

His buffing command ability won't work on them as they don't have the 'Exile' key word as far as I remember. You can always use the Cold one Knights etc legacy scrolls rather than the Order Serpentis though. I don't imagine many would have a problem with that.

If you don't want to do that his command ability isn't that amazing anyway and he always has Inspiring Presence (the generic ability all generals have) which he can use on them instead.

Ah ok, I understand what you're saying. Maybe I'll just stick with the legacy rules and get a hang of it first than try these other keywords. Now if if I could just get my hands on a malus model >.>;

 Cptskillet wrote:

Dai wrote:

 Cptskillet wrote:

Dai wrote:

 Cptskillet wrote:
All this news about AoS is pretty exciting. I've had 0 interested up to this point, but with news of gw actually getting some feedback from the community, and the different ways to play, I may just give it a go! Now if I wanted to start with dark elves, would I need the order book?

Nope, if you have a apple or andriod device all warscrolls are available on the Age of Sigmar app, failing that they're on the website if you go to the page of the unit you want and click the rules tab. You'll miss out on some warscroll batallions (formations if you're coming from 40k) but these can be purchased individually on the app for a couple of pounds if you feel you need them.

There's also the compendium for the "legacy" dark elves here but keep in mind some of these scrolls have been updated and will be a little different on the app or their own page. https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Compendiums/warhammer-aos-dark-elves-en.pdf

Thanks for this. I have 0 fantasy models, but I did read the malus darkblade books and loved them. I know fluff wise he's dead, and at looking at the legacy rules, it's nice to see he's still there. However would I be able to use these along with the order serpentis and have it go smoothly?

His buffing command ability won't work on them as they don't have the 'Exile' key word as far as I remember. You can always use the Cold one Knights etc legacy scrolls rather than the Order Serpentis though. I don't imagine many would have a problem with that.

If you don't want to do that his command ability isn't that amazing anyway and he always has Inspiring Presence (the generic ability all generals have) which he can use on them instead.

Ah ok, I understand what you're saying. Maybe I'll just stick with the legacy rules and get a hang of it first than try these other keywords. Now if if I could just get my hands on a malus model >.>;

Good Luck finding that mini and hope you enjoy!

 Bottle wrote:
Talking in my local GW today, apparently the book will be £15? WIN! - and the points are just flat lists of point values for each warscroll (including legacy) using the minimum unit size. I.e pool costs.

So in the same way SCGT was based on Clash Comp x5, I guess this will be based on SCGT x 20

If the SCGT guys have continuous input on new point values, this is going to be awesome!

Yep, I posted the £15 price tag in the News thread yesterday. Perfect price for it. I expect it to sell like crazy.

As for points, that's good to hear.

Now just to see what these organisation restrictions are.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
OTOH it casts some doubt on the idea that GW were planning over a year ago to introduce points.

The chances that GW were always planning to add points to the game are so close to zero, you'd need some precisely-calibrated scientific equipment to tell the difference.

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I found it a bit worrying that as experienced a designer as Jervis should design a scenario that didn't work.

Does seem a little pat, huh?

But brilliant strategy: (1) round up guys that have been excited about your product and have been well-received by other players, (2) make them feel really special and appreciated, (3) they go back home and use their existing platform to sing your praises even louder ... you get the credibility without having to engage in a real playtest process.

Please don't feed ammo to the cynic side of me

Nothing wrong with that, it's smart and has a much better chance of success. If these guys get paid then it's a win win scenario.

I wonder if this'll be rolled out in the AoS app...?

 angelofvengeance wrote:
I wonder if this'll be rolled out in the AoS app...?

I would hope so.

The points? I doubt it as that's only one of three ways to play.

Unless they're in a separate screen or app.

 ShaneTB wrote:
The points? I doubt it as that's only one of three ways to play.

Unless they're in a separate screen or app.

What are the chances of GW making an army builder with points in their own app? Wishing too much now?

Davor wrote:

 ShaneTB wrote:
The points? I doubt it as that's only one of three ways to play.

Unless they're in a separate screen or app.

What are the chances of GW making an army builder with points in their own app? Wishing too much now?

Well games workshop has officially allowed the modding of Total war Warhammer with the new CEO anything can happen lol. I imagine if they do it you can buy the book on the app and then its added to it.

 shinros wrote:

Davor wrote:

 ShaneTB wrote:
The points? I doubt it as that's only one of three ways to play.

Unless they're in a separate screen or app.

What are the chances of GW making an army builder with points in their own app? Wishing too much now?

Well games workshop has officially allowed the modding of Total war Warhammer with the new CEO anything can happen lol. I imagine if they do it you can buy the book on the app and then its added to it.

We live in crazy times.

Long live the crazy times, I say!

Baron Klatz wrote:
Long live the crazy times, I say!

Indeed

Indeed, Kevin Rountree is allowing pretty awesome things to happen so far if Tom was still in charge he would never endorse modding.