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No. I've tried the decurion formation and while it has ple ty of bells and whistles, I've found it all to be the definition of cookie cutter. Not to mention I feel like I don't have the freedom to do what I want with the army- such as having to take a squad of immortals....I don't like immortals and don't like taking them.
I have tried the mephrit Dynasty formation and gave felt less of a douche for just having troops reroll 1s-this usually works out well for my army as I'm naturally warrior heavy. Buy even then I've only played that formation once.

My group generally sticks to CAD and we enjoy it and like to pump out a lot of low point games. There's only one person in our group who cried about it but he's the groups token flavour of the month player who's always itching to do the latest op formation.

Is Archangel Sanguine Wing supposed to be BA's gladius?

Martel732 wrote:
Is Archangel Sanguine Wing supposed to be BA's gladius?

If it's composed of multiple formations, then yes.

 Yarium wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Is Archangel Sanguine Wing supposed to be BA's gladius?

If it's composed of multiple formations, then yes.

No, it isn't.

With necrons I do maybe 60% of the time. But i don't bring the heavy cheese formations just the reclamation and a royal court.

 General Kroll wrote:


I've never really gone for the full on hard as nails ultramarine list, maybe I should try it, I think I might have enough transports now actually to do a Gladius. Is it fun, or is it as dull as some make out? I've been thinking of trying out the White Scar one where you can jump back in the transports as that looks like a fun one to try. I'm more about the fun than the power really.

Just because it was asked. It's sometimes fun, and sometimes totally cumbersome. The way I play it is mostly super resilient, super board-control. I usually play half Drop Pods, half Rhinos, so there's a bunch of dynamic Alpha Strike and an emphasis on redundancy of Grav Cannon bunkers. I enjoy that you can focus on positioning, rather than boosting special rules through spells or whatever. Overall it reduces randomness, and increases reliability.

I also take Sicarius for the bonus to Ld. (even more reliability) and to Scout or Infiltrate someone.

But man, after a while of playing it, it's tiresome. Sooooo many units.

Martel732 wrote:

 Yarium wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Is Archangel Sanguine Wing supposed to be BA's gladius?

If it's composed of multiple formations, then yes.

No, it isn't.

Is it your special foc?

No.

Martel732 wrote:

 Yarium wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Is Archangel Sanguine Wing supposed to be BA's gladius?

If it's composed of multiple formations, then yes.

No, it isn't.

Then no, it's not like the Gladius.

 Yarium wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

 Yarium wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Is Archangel Sanguine Wing supposed to be BA's gladius?

If it's composed of multiple formations, then yes.

No, it isn't.

Then no, it's not like the Gladius.

Ohhhhhh...

I think I misunderstood.

I assumed by "super-formation" we were talking about about really, really powerful formations.

Now I realize we're instead talking about what I would call a "meta-formation" where the formation consists of other formations.

Decurion is boring. Strong, but boring. Like 3 good builds, which is just variants of the 3 strong formations. CAD's and mephrit stuff is more fun.

I can count on one hand the amount of times I've used a "super formation".

Used Skyhammer against Battlesuit Tau, twice and Crons once and GK/Admech once. Works wondrously against everyone but crons for obvious reasons.

Used Gladius in two local tournaments. Both placed top 5, neither took home gold.

I run a Gorepack/Slaughtercult 1850 list for my KDK pretty often. I don't think either qualifies as a super-formation. Especially against Smurfs, Triptide with a SS and Furries.

The only other formation that I can access that is powerful (but not "super" by most people's standards ) is Cyclopia Kabal. I bring it to a lot of my Noise marine games and used it once with my KDK and a demon knight against the new IH decurion. Absolutely smeared him by top of T4 and haven't used that combo since.

As I tend to say, my meta varies but is on the casual end of competitive or the competitive end of casual (if that makes sense). Every once in a while someone asks for an "'ard Boyz" type game and that's when these come out.

I'm surprised by how many people don't run them. Quite interesting.

Not yet. I've mostly been playing Kill Team and 30k.

 krodarklorr wrote:
I'm surprised by how many people don't run them. Quite interesting.

Some of it is that games of 7E tend to take forever to arrange, set up and play. Having games large enough to use a Decurion tend towards the large size and thus take more time. That, and this poll is incapable of reflecting how many people use one when they have access to it.

Do Chaos Space Marines even have one yet?

I tend to use one or two CADs.

To be honest, I wish Grand Formations were still a thing (basically a double size CAD FOC for 2k+ points in 6th). The FOC shenanigans for chosen/cult marines only works in the detachment containing the warlord. I want an army with a lord of each mark and a troop cult unit of each god as my mandatory troops, dammit!

For Tau I really like the Hunter Contingent along with the Hunter Cadre and Retaliation Cadre. The sharing of markerlights is great for combine firepower from multiple units and its great when you combine squad firing to get increased BS. Really fits the whole Tau synergy playstyle and is awesome for my Fire Warrior focused strategy. Just wish it was easier to get a Ethereal without needing even more Commander Suits or having to take a bare bones CAD.

Space Wolves: I am in the works of putting together a Firehowlers + Murder Pack list to field 40 Skyclaws, 10 Wulfen, Wolf Guard bike squad, and land speeder/grey hunters in pod. Outside of that its mainly just running a CAD + a formation or two.

GK/Inq/MT: They don't have them so its not an option to even consider.

Orks: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. The Orkcurion is such hot garbage for anything outside of making a Ghazz star or maybe trukk spam that its almost a bigger joke than the Ork codex itself. I run Blitz Brigade + CAD or just a CAD/Ork Horde Detachment (the one with 3 HQ slots).

 krodarklorr wrote:
I'm surprised by how many people don't run them. Quite interesting.

Many armies simply don't even have access to one.

I have run Gladius, Talonblade, and Fist of Medusa to reasonable success.

They are all very strong and quite fluffy but if you were ever curious Gladius is the cheesiest, Fist of medusa is the one that will make your opponent want to hang themselves (What do you mean he gets a 2+ FNP JUST FOR EXISTING!!!! He's not even in a unit anymore!!!!) and the talonblade is the most fun (10 man vanguard vet squad that isn't dogsh** YAY!!!
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If the Command Benefits were more than just Run 6", I probably would use the Warhost (at least the Pale Courts anyway). As it is, almost every game I play is Objective-based, and giving up ObSec for a 6" run usually isn't worth it.

I usually play the Sternhammer Strike Force as it was what I usually took anyway before the Angels of Death book was released. It fits my IF Successor's fluff quite well anyway.

I don't use a Decurion for my Necrons, even though I could. Mainly because I find it boring for me and frustrating for my opponents

I have the models to run the Gladius, and perhaps I might, but I haven't played a regular 40k game with enough points to field it in a long time.

I use the Skyhammer along with the WS formation with the 3 tactical squads in rhinos.

Mind you I haven't played 40k in almost a year. For me it is all 30k all the time.

Gree wrote:


I don't use a Decurion for my Necrons, even though I could. Mainly because I find it boring for me and frustrating for my opponents

You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.

Selym, Decurions can be run in 1K games. All they need is a reclaimat7with a min unit of flayed ones...

Dantes_Baals wrote:

Gree wrote:


I don't use a Decurion for my Necrons, even though I could. Mainly because I find it boring for me and frustrating for my opponents

You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.

Selym, Decurions can be run in 1K games. All they need is a reclaimat7with a min unit of flayed ones...

It takes about 1500pts before I'll consider using a decurion. Not everyone just takes min units for them.

I find them all overly restrictive. While the benefits for some of them are great (many ate mediocre though) they are rarely worth having to conform to the detachments restrictions.

Certainly the Imperial Guard one - which for the non-tank version asks you to field an infantry company of three big platoons - requires a hell of a lot of stuff.

The cadian battlegroup is more useful for taking the component formations (most importantly the artillery one!) separately.

Is Archangel Sanguine Wing supposed to be BA's gladius?

No. Blood Angels are like tyranids (in fact much of their stuff came from the same publication) - they've got lots formations (including quite a few decent ones, especially for big games), and their own force organisation detachment (the archangels) but no 'formation of formations' detachment. Certainly they have nothing like a Gladius or Lion's Blade.

No. If anything, formations should cost points and not give abilities "for free". It just further unbalances a game that is teetering on the edge as it is.

I say this owning/playing armies for Tyranids, Tau, Space Marines (Ultras), Eldar, Chaos Space Marines, Orks, Necrons, Imperial Guard, Adeptus Mechanicus and Gray Knights.

As a side note, I don't play games with named characters either due to a really bad experience back in 3E Fantasy.

Some of the earliest formations (like the Reclusiam Command Squad) did cost points in addition to the value of the units themselves, but for some reason they gave up on it.

I haven't used one yet. I prefer the old way of 1 HQ, 2 troops etc.

I may use one in the future though, maybe the Scarblade strike force for my White Scars.