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Matt.Kingsley wrote: Too be fair, a large part of the first book in the campaign has most the Wolf Lords despise the Wulfen.
Ulrik was the one that decided to use them in combat as actual warriors for everyone else and was the one that authorised the equipping of them. He was convinced that they were sent by Russ and heralded his return. The other Wolf Lords either didn't think it was worth their time to argue with him or failed trying.
The plot reason for the Wulfen being with each Great Company was because the Space Wolves were trying to get all the Wulfen before anyone else got wind that they were mutated space wolves, and apparently Wulfen are really good at tracking other Wulfen down.
The whole "oh hey we have like 100+ relic weapons for the Wulfen to use on hand because we were using them as wall decorations for 10,000 years" thing was gak to the max though. On top of Ulrik's dumb faith and decisions, that really took the cake.
Yes, But Ulrik is more of a causes one for me.. But everyone have their own interpretation ..
GW wanted the models in and this is how they do it.. I would have chosen a different approach , but I´m not assigned.. Will see what happens now..
Ashiraya wrote: If you go to such painstaking lengths to ensure everyone knows how little you care about the subject, why do you ask and talk so much about it?
Because he wants to troll us harder than Magnus trolled the Wolves. Should be pretty evident with the tongue-in-cheek way he asked about how he thinks the primarch should have a name carved into the chest for "accuracy". Just ignore him for now and stop helping to inflate his post count.
Back on topic: Does anyone know what Ahriman was doing all this time? there doesn't seem to be much mention of him despite him being one of the big name releases for this expansion.
Gwar! wrote:Huh, I had no idea Graham McNeillm Dav Torpe and Pete Haines posted on Dakka. Hi Graham McNeillm Dav Torpe and Pete Haines!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can I have an Autograph!
Kanluwen wrote:
Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Why? Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use".When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah. I'll be irked.
When I'm editing alot, you know I have a gakload of homework to (not) do.
Ashiraya wrote: If you go to such painstaking lengths to ensure everyone knows how little you care about the subject, why do you ask and talk so much about it?
Because he wants to troll us harder than Magnus trolled the Wolves. Should be pretty evident with the tongue-in-cheek way he asked about how he thinks the primarch should have a name carved into the chest for "accuracy". Just ignore him for now and stop helping to inflate his post count.
Back on topic: Does anyone know what Ahriman was doing all this time? there doesn't seem to be much mention of him despite him being one of the big name releases for this expansion.
I would assume Ahriman is doing what he's always done. Trying to get into the Black Library. I thought it was Ahriman in the cinematic trailer for this release since they talk about "traitors", which technically Ahriman was I suppose after his Rubric turned 99% of the legion into angry dust.
But, I do see Ahriman joining with the rest of the legion to exact justice on the space furries after what they did to Prospero, so maybe we'll find out more in the supplement (here's hoping). Also, it's about time Magnus returned, he was the most sympathetic character in the Heresy for me; he didn't choose Chaos willingly, he was forced to ;_;
Also, anyone else noting the weird parallels between this and End Times? Naggash was a very angry, uber-powerful sorcerer who started that off, and now we have Magnus doing pretty much the same thing? I for one welcome our new pseudo-Egyptian overlords.
Ashiraya wrote: If you go to such painstaking lengths to ensure everyone knows how little you care about the subject, why do you ask and talk so much about it?
Because he wants to troll us harder than Magnus trolled the Wolves. Should be pretty evident with the tongue-in-cheek way he asked about how he thinks the primarch should have a name carved into the chest for "accuracy". Just ignore him for now and stop helping to inflate his post count.
Back on topic: Does anyone know what Ahriman was doing all this time? there doesn't seem to be much mention of him despite him being one of the big name releases for this expansion.
I would assume Ahriman is doing what he's always done. Trying to get into the Black Library. I thought it was Ahriman in the cinematic trailer for this release since they talk about "traitors", which technically Ahriman was I suppose after his Rubric turned 99% of the legion into angry dust.
But, I do see Ahriman joining with the rest of the legion to exact justice on the space furries after what they did to Prospero, so maybe we'll find out more in the supplement (here's hoping). Also, it's about time Magnus returned, he was the most sympathetic character in the Heresy for me; he didn't choose Chaos willingly, he was forced to ;_;
Also, anyone else noting the weird parallels between this and End Times? Naggash was a very angry, uber-powerful sorcerer who started that off, and now we have Magnus doing pretty much the same thing? I for one welcome our new pseudo-Egyptian overlords.
I find Magnus to be a character who got exactly what he deserved. He was arrogant and thought he could play the Gods (sound familiar?) He only realised he had ruined everything once the jig was up.
Not sure why people think he was some poor innocent character. He was told to stop meddling and he chose not to because he thought he would be able to prove everyone wrong. The sad thing is that he wasn't brave enough to see the plan of letting everyone die through to the end.
A truly tragic character is the Khan. Ignored and underestimated by everyone but ultimately showed his true colours when the heresy hands were dealt.
Pouncey wrote: I didn't read it, but is this the guy who had Draigo carve his name into his heart?
1) Wrong Primarch.
2) Draigo doesn't carve his name in Mortarion's heart.
Okay, so when the right Primarch gets his model, will the name carved into the Primarch's heart be visible on the model's exposed heart?
The heart is extremely unlikely to be exposed. It was carved on a Deamon Primarch Prince of Nurgle, who is likely to have healed it over (or have it covered by intestines/bloated flesh/armor/robes).
Also, if he could get his sword onto the Primarch's heart enough to carve a name into it, why didn't he kill the Primarch?
Do Primarchs not need their heart to live or something?
Daemons, Primarch or otherwise, have no need or use for biological organs, so... no, they don't need their heart. Plus, being a proto-Space Marine, he probably has a spare one anyway.
The End Times have been part of the story from the beginning. This is the End Times, but not the "AoS End Times" -treatment.
I'm sorry, but it's just obvious they won't do the same move with 40K, their flagship product that keeps them in business. I can say it with certainty and laugh off claims to the contrary, because it just is so logical.
It is possible, or even likely, however that some form of streamlining will happen. But AoS level stuff, with races and factions destroyed and turned into something else allround? Well, nope.
I for one welcome a more streamlined, simplified 40K with perhaps online rules and resources (so they could be updated fast, to everyone, when the inevitable errors/feckups with rules happen.)
I also welcome the big shakeups in the story and it moving forward, with -radical- things happening. Way more interesting than being stuck in the same situation for two decades. I expect there will be massive losses on all sides.
Who cares if a faction takes a massive blow in the fluff. It doesn't affect your gaming and you shouldn't discard your army based on something so superificial. To me it tells of ones affection for their chosen army not being too great to beginwith; "I used a ton of money, time and effort to paint these. They suffered losses in a story. Imma sell them and quit the game."
Runic wrote: The End Times have been part of the story from the beginning. This is the End Times, but not the "AoS End Times" -treatment.
I'm sorry, but it's just obvious they won't do the same move with 40K, their flagship product that keeps them in business. I can say it with certainty and laugh off claims to the contrary, because it just is so logical.
It is possible, or even likely, however that some form of streamlining will happen. But AoS level stuff, with races and factions destroyed and turned into something else allround? Well, nope.
I for one welcome a more streamlined, simplified 40K with perhaps online rules and resources (so they could be updated fast, to everyone, when the inevitable errors/feckups with rules happen.)
I also welcome the big shakeups in the story and it moving forward, with -radical- things happening. Way more interesting than being stuck in the same situation for two decades. I expect there will be massive losses on all sides.
Who cares if a faction takes a massive blow in the fluff. It doesn't affect your gaming and you shouldn't discard your army based on something so superificial. To me it tells of ones affection for their chosen army not being too great to beginwith; "I used a ton of money, time and effort to paint these. They suffered losses in a story. Imma sell them and quit the game."
I think it's abundantly clear by now that 40k is about to go through it´s own end times, sure it will probably still be called 40k by the times it's over(Heck, I wouldn´t rule that out either), but it would be a AOSification in all but name. Except they dont need to add a Marine surrogate faction
From the spoilers in this thread we can see that the 40k setting is gonna be unrecognizable if these events are taken to their logical conclusions and we can already make out a few factions that are gonna see some major changes.
Yeah I gather that AoS game-play-wise is good. It's the general destruction of the universe and all the 'your dudes' stories that people have spent decades crafting and getting attached to that's the crappy part...
koooaei wrote: People who sticked to aos after the hate died off, say it's a good game.
The thing that came out at the start wasn't even a game. It got hated on for a good reason.
Points were eventually reinstated into the game and it even got some real rules. It seems to be fine enough now and I could absolutely see why some people would like it.
I'm pretty sure if 40k lost the entire point system it would get some hate too, but I don't think GW will make that mistake again. They might make it much more like what AoS is now, but they won't bring it to the joke that AoS was when it was first released.
Runic wrote: The End Times have been part of the story from the beginning. This is the End Times, but not the "AoS End Times" -treatment.
I'm sorry, but it's just obvious they won't do the same move with 40K, their flagship product that keeps them in business. I can say it with certainty and laugh off claims to the contrary, because it just is so logical.
It is possible, or even likely, however that some form of streamlining will happen. But AoS level stuff, with races and factions destroyed and turned into something else allround? Well, nope.
I for one welcome a more streamlined, simplified 40K with perhaps online rules and resources (so they could be updated fast, to everyone, when the inevitable errors/feckups with rules happen.)
I also welcome the big shakeups in the story and it moving forward, with -radical- things happening. Way more interesting than being stuck in the same situation for two decades. I expect there will be massive losses on all sides.
Who cares if a faction takes a massive blow in the fluff. It doesn't affect your gaming and you shouldn't discard your army based on something so superificial. To me it tells of ones affection for their chosen army not being too great to beginwith; "I used a ton of money, time and effort to paint these. They suffered losses in a story. Imma sell them and quit the game."
I think it's abundantly clear by now that 40k is about to go through it´s own end times, sure it will probably still be called 40k by the times it's over(Heck, I wouldn´t rule that out either), but it would be a AOSification in all but name. Except they dont need to add a Marine surrogate faction
From the spoilers in this thread we can see that the 40k setting is gonna be unrecognizable if these events are taken to their logical conclusions and we can already make out a few factions that are gonna see some major changes.
I don't think so. While I think the story will "Advance" it is going to be nowhere near the overhaul that happend from the Old world to AOS. WHFB went through this transition because it was a dying game, it was a big gamble and this pretty much a last resort. It does not economically make sense for GW to do the same with 40k. They can continue the story like they are doing now, and creating new models, without the massive setting upheaval that happend in AOS.
I think it's abundantly clear by now that 40k is about to go through it´s own end times
I on the other hand, think it's not clear at all and not even likely. Streamlining is likely.
It would mean GW killing off 40K completely and launching a new game with a new name, and a completely, utterly different ruleset. That is what happened with AoS. That being done to 40k? I can't see it happening.
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Izural wrote:
I would assume Ahriman is doing what he's always done. Trying to get into the Black Library.
I know this is not the case, but my first thought is, why does Ahriman want to read books for? Did he miss a book for a series or two? Then I remember Black Library is also something else besides a book publication. Thing is, I don't know what this other Black Library is. Can someone please explain.
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
Izural wrote:
I would assume Ahriman is doing what he's always done. Trying to get into the Black Library.
I know this is not the case, but my first thought is, why does Ahriman want to read books for? Did he miss a book for a series or two? Then I remember Black Library is also something else besides a book publication. Thing is, I don't know what this other Black Library is. Can someone please explain.
It's a sort of Harlequin craftworld hidden in the webway, where all the knowledge of chaos that the eldar have gathered resides, including many tomes of dark magic. Getting access to that would allow him to amass prodigious sorcerous power.
EnTyme wrote: So basically, Ahriman is trying to get into their secret stash of Slaaneshi ultra-porn?
Basically... if you replace "Slaaneshi ultra porn" with "galaxies most powerful and forbidden knowledge"
Taking into consideration it's guarded by the harlequins, galaxies most powerfula and forbidden knowledge could happen to be slaaneshi ultra porn
So potent that if anyone so much as looks at it, Slaanesh herself bursts forth (guess from where. Spoiler, it's not going to be as fun as you think) into the material plane as a full manifestation of the Chaos God.
Going by the timeline of the Fall, the Eldar had ~23,000 years of hedonism before Slaanesh was born. Pretty certain that more than a few 'apocryphal texts' were developed in that time....
Going by the timeline of the Fall, the Eldar had ~23,000 years of hedonism before Slaanesh was born. Pretty certain that more than a few 'apocryphal texts' were developed in that time....
50 Shades of Slaanesh Grey
2000 Khorne Bloodbound (Skullfiend Tribe- Aqshy)
1000 Tzeentch Arcanites (Pyrofane Cult - Hysh) in progress 2000 Slaves to Darkness (Ravagers)
Just started to build me a new Space Wolves Army 
4000+
6000+ Order. Unity. Obedience.
Thousand Sons 4000+
2000 Khorne Bloodbound (Skullfiend Tribe- Aqshy)
2000 Slaves to Darkness (Ravagers)
