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I also agree; imo the Vostroyans are some of the most "40k" models to ever have 40k'd. Other regiments either look very Sci-Fi (cadians) or very Fantasy/historical (valhallans, atillan rough riders). The Valhallans are the only ones I can think of with recognizeable historical roots but also a gothic sci-fi look to them, with baroque brass breathing masks, and rifles that look like some future generation's version of what a glorious decorated musket might have been.

Indeed Vostroyans are maybe the most "40k" of the regiments. They are still available on GW webstore too, or at least some of their models are. Just bought some to start messing with AM. Shame their mortars are OOP as I'd love to have some.

For those who don't get the reference. Enjoy!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCMNWAJiz5Y

 Luke_Prowler wrote:
Man, if I had a nickle every time someone playing an army that was completely stomping other people through mindless unit spamming and overpowered abilities told those who were struggling to "adapt', I could afford an entire army.

You must have played space wolves in 5th

Curbstopping is a nonsense exaggeration based on what I've seen on the internet, but maybe its accurate in your area. Are conscripts overpowered? Yeah probably. When everybody and their mother in the imperium soup feels the need to bring them, yeah maybe they do what they do a little well. Should we rework the entire game because of that? No. Should we just rework one damn unit (or maybe even delete the fething thing?) Yeah how about that. My Space Marine list got curb stopped by a world eater army the other day because I took the units I had on my shelf that were painted, rather than try and math out the best list possible. Yeah it stung a bit afterwards, I'd wanted a friendly game but the other guy thought we were playing competitively. Looking back, what did I expect?

"Mindless unit spamming" can pretty much describe any army list I see on dakkadakka these days. When everyone maths out units to the utmost degree to try and figure out the exact point efficient unit, then we get the game we deserve. 40k players tend to want to win the game before they set down their miniatures on the table. We all do it. We crow about our "army's alpha strike potential," then cry when we get alpha striked. Half the battle reports I watch on youtube start out with "well i'm going to rake it in if get first turn, but otherwise it'll be a slog." Is that a good game? No, but its 40k.

I agree with some of the other posters that it would be best to have generic Regiment types - so 'Mechanized' instead of 'Steel Legion,' or 'Death World' instead of Catachan. That level of abstraction suits the Guard better than the hyper-specific chapter tactics of the Space Marines, as the Guard is infinitely larger and more diverse than the Astartes.

You could cover most of the regiment types with 'Infantry,' 'Death World/ Light Infantry,' 'Mechanized,' 'Siege,' and 'Armored.' Perhaps one for 'Airborne' as well.

I want my Vostroyan Firstborn to be fun and cool again. I don't really mind what they're given, though I would like something to help their mechanized mobility and play into their higher quality equipment (armor & infantry weapons).

I've got a fully painted army I'd like to break out of mothballs some day. I enjoy playing them, just having more fun with Blood Angels at present.



(Cappy picture, but it's the best one I've got of the army at present.)

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

 Red__Thirst wrote:
I want my Vostroyan Firstborn to be fun and cool again. I don't really mind what they're given, though I would like something to help their mechanized mobility and play into their higher quality equipment (armor & infantry weapons).

I've got a fully painted army I'd like to break out of mothballs some day. I enjoy playing them, just having more fun with Blood Angels at present.

Spoiler:

(Cappy picture, but it's the best one I've got of the army at present.)

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

Nice army! 8th edition doesn't seem to really reward mobility much for shooty units. You lose a round of shooting when you use a transport to go somewhere, which makes it hard to get much benefit from it. Maybe facing assault oriented armies gives me a limited attitude though, I find most people want to come charge me rather than me having to charge them.

 Red__Thirst wrote:
I want my Vostroyan Firstborn to be fun and cool again. I don't really mind what they're given, though I would like something to help their mechanized mobility and play into their higher quality equipment (armor & infantry weapons).

I've got a fully painted army I'd like to break out of mothballs some day. I enjoy playing them, just having more fun with Blood Angels at present.



(Cappy picture, but it's the best one I've got of the army at present.)

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

Maybe they'll get the Salamander trait where you get to reroll a failed hit and wound roll with every unit that shoots.

Sounds absolutely insane for an IG army but we know that GW loves to recycle traits between codexes, wouldn't be surprising since Vostroyans are supposed to have some of the nicest kit out there. That or 4+ armor save, I seem to remember lots of Vostroyan fluff mentioning carapace armor, but I could be wrong on that.

I'd be happy with a trait similar to Salamanders, it makes sense thematically.

You're correct. Carapace armor or similar was standard issue for Firstborn units, and their weaponry is some of the finest produced by non-astartes hands. For every 10 hours of work in the manufactoriums or something like that each Vostroyan citizen must devote one hour to the creation, repair and maintenance of the Firstborn regiment's weapons and equipment that will be issued to each Firstborn trooper.

They're my favorite regiment because there's a minimum mustache length and/or chest hair quantity requirement to even own the army. It's true, check your Imperial Primer if you don't believe me.

Boys play Guard. Men play Vostroyan Firstborn.

Thanks for the kind words on the army also. I'll work on getting better pictures of them at some point soon if I can.

Take it easy,

-Red__Thirst-

Nice army! Vostroyians are so cool. Definitely the most 40k of all guard.

How do you think they'll actually do regiments? Will it be space Marine chapter style with seven or so set regiments with you just using the one that fits best, or will it be Kharadron Overlords code style with a customisable system and set regiments that have extra bonuses?

I hope it's the later!

It's almost guaranteed to be like chapter tactics. Every army is getting their own version.

 Purifier wrote:
It's almost guaranteed to be like chapter tactics. Every army is getting their own version.

That is what I am hoping for. I want every regiment to have an unique play style. If I'm playing Tallarn, I want some outflanking/ambush shenanigans. If I am playing Steel Legion, I want to be able to deploy from transports at the end of movement phase & shoot or be able to field some hive gangers. If I am playing Catachans I want to have some amazing cover bonuses & be more lethal in melee etc.

Whilst I'd be disappointed if we didn't get the chance to make our own regiments, I'm just happy we're getting something to work with.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
Whilst I'd be disappointed if we didn't get the chance to make our own regiments, I'm just happy we're getting something to work with.

There is no one stopping you from making your regiment The Helldivers of Lykos with their red jumpsuit paint patterns and using the regimental rules for <Tallarn> or whatever, just like with Chapters.

 Purifier wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
Whilst I'd be disappointed if we didn't get the chance to make our own regiments, I'm just happy we're getting something to work with.

There is no one stopping you from making your regiment The Helldivers of Lykos with their red jumpsuit paint patterns and using the regimental rules for <Tallarn> or whatever, just like with Chapters.

Well yeah, that's true of course. I was just thinking of something fully customisable like the Overlords skyport code. It's not an issue though. Like I said I'm just happy we're getting any sort of variety at all.

My hope is that it is good.

What will happen is most likely unsatisfactory.