doctortom wrote:

Larks wrote:

 Charistoph wrote:

Larks wrote:

 Charistoph wrote:

Larks wrote:
So it's just simplified language when Perils doesn't specify "model" vs "psyker", but the fact that it mentions "allocates" is a purely ironclad statement that means it only ever spills over if caused singularly by an ability called an "attack". Ok.

I'm done reposting the same thing. There is no permission to alter the core mechanic of MWs.

Because "a Psyker" is "a model". It states it right there. I can use "a model" when talking about "a Psyker", because that is all "a Psyker" is. It is never a unit, and that is an important level of organization to be considering when processing the rules.

Just because a model suffers Wounds does not mean that those Wounds were Allocated. In most cases the damage was allocated because the Unit has been Attacked or received damage. But when a model is Wounded without it going through the process of allocation from the unit, then we do not use the allocation process and the damage does not get to spread. We simply do not have permission to spread unallocated damage (the result of the Wound) to the rest of the unit.

So Explodes causing D3 MW on a unit of 1-wound models can only kill at most one model?

Not the same comparison as a unit is not a model. Units do not have Wounds to be damaged. It has to be allocated to the individual models within the unit which do have Wounds to be damaged.

This lack of recognition of the differences between model and unit has long been an issue in this forum. Why perpetuate it?

How are you coming to the conclusion that such a unit has to have MW allocated to it, since it wasn't an "attack"?

It doesn't really matter. The key thing is Explodes clearly states the unit takes wounds, so it follows the normal wound allocation process. Perils of the Warp specifies the psyker manifesting the power - a model, not a unit. You are never told that the unit suffers Perils of the Warp. Since the pysker himself is the target, all the mortal wounds go on to him, and since you are never told that the unit suffers Perils of the Warp, none of the excess mortal wounds are transferred to other members in the unit.

 Larks wrote:

 doctortom wrote:

Larks wrote:

 Charistoph wrote:

Larks wrote:

 Charistoph wrote:

Larks wrote:
So it's just simplified language when Perils doesn't specify "model" vs "psyker", but the fact that it mentions "allocates" is a purely ironclad statement that means it only ever spills over if caused singularly by an ability called an "attack". Ok.

I'm done reposting the same thing. There is no permission to alter the core mechanic of MWs.

Because "a Psyker" is "a model". It states it right there. I can use "a model" when talking about "a Psyker", because that is all "a Psyker" is. It is never a unit, and that is an important level of organization to be considering when processing the rules.

Just because a model suffers Wounds does not mean that those Wounds were Allocated. In most cases the damage was allocated because the Unit has been Attacked or received damage. But when a model is Wounded without it going through the process of allocation from the unit, then we do not use the allocation process and the damage does not get to spread. We simply do not have permission to spread unallocated damage (the result of the Wound) to the rest of the unit.

So Explodes causing D3 MW on a unit of 1-wound models can only kill at most one model?

Not the same comparison as a unit is not a model. Units do not have Wounds to be damaged. It has to be allocated to the individual models within the unit which do have Wounds to be damaged.

This lack of recognition of the differences between model and unit has long been an issue in this forum. Why perpetuate it?

How are you coming to the conclusion that such a unit has to have MW allocated to it, since it wasn't an "attack"?

It doesn't really matter. The key thing is Explodes clearly states the unit takes wounds, so it follows the normal wound allocation process. Perils of the Warp specifies the psyker manifesting the power - a model, not a unit. You are never told that the unit suffers Perils of the Warp. Since the pysker himself is the target, all the mortal wounds go on to him, and since you are never told that the unit suffers Perils of the Warp, none of the excess mortal wounds are transferred to other members in the unit.

That is not how Mortal Wounds work.

 doctortom wrote:

That is correct, when a unit is targeted. In this case, it is purely a model being targeted.

 p5freak wrote:

 doctortom wrote:

That is correct, when a unit is targeted. In this case, it is purely a model being targeted.

Nothing is being targeted. If the psyker dies to perils of the warp and the peril roll inflicts more than 1 MW, those wounds spill over to the unit. MW are never lost. The aspiring sorcerer is a psyker, and is part of the unit, the unit has the PSYKER keyword.