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I'd say it's one of those things GW didn't deem neccessary to write down. And honestly, it isn't.

nekooni wrote:
I'd say it's one of those things GW didn't deem neccessary to write down. And honestly, it isn't.

Very much agreed!

 Eihnlazer wrote:
First off, with the exception of climbing vertically in ruins or climbing during movement in general, you are never given permission to remove a models base from the tabletop.

Well, technically there are other times - disembarking, psychic powers which let you teleport from one space to another, etc. But, those are known exceptions. The problem is that some of these people look like they want to use the climbing rules so that only part of the model can go vertically to do their "one track balancing" act. The problem there is that even though there is permission for the model to go vertically, that's permission for the entire model. It's not permission for one side of a model to go vertical while another side stays on the ground, just to reduce the footprint while moving.

Also, it doesn't solve the problem of somebody wanting to start the game with his tank on its side so that it can shield other units and just keeping it on its side through the whole game. They wouldn't be violating what you're saying, even though he's being That Guy when doing it.

 Eihnlazer wrote:
Since vehicles without bases count their hull as their base the same goes for them.

You are never allowed to remove the base of a model from the tabletop during gameplay (so no flipping, flopping, or hip hopping).

I'm sure their counter argument there is that with the rule saying the hull counts as the base, the entire hull counts as the base. So, if they flip it up on one track or on its side or whatever while moving, it still has its base (i.e. the hull) in contact with the ground. I think this is where saying there's no permission for only part of a model to move vertically, so there's no permission to flip models sideways or upside down. As was pointed out, we don't allow infantry to to a handstand and walk though a tight area that way. This sounds like a game where they had poor TO's if they're letting people get away with this stuff.




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 JohnnyHell wrote:

nekooni wrote:
I'd say it's one of those things GW didn't deem neccessary to write down. And honestly, it isn't.

Very much agreed!

Yes indeed. It sounds like the type of thing that if you asked GW for an answer to whether this can be done, they'd respond "Don't be silly."

Technically, in older versions, you used to represent dead models by putting it on its side. This was why the wobbly model syndrome rule was devised so that models that couldn't stand up right wasnt automatically declared/considered dead. Tanks could be flipped on its side or upside down to represent that they're destroyed in earlier versions. So, by an extension of that, if a baneblade goes on its side, it should be considered dead.

Of course, in older editions you have facings, armor value and limited firing arcs for vehicles. You wouldn't be able to put the vehicle on its side for the shenanigans like they described above because you'd have undefined top and bottom armor exposed, and if you forced them to keep the vehicle that way you pretty much neutered their targeting options unless you walked in front of the vehicle. those vehicles flipped on their side also provided cover saves if you obscured a figure behing them I'm sorry but you can't say that the vehicle's dead if you filp it on its side (as much as it should be a rule)

All of think talk about rotating things and RAW makes me wonder, what about "rolling" the dice? Can I just place the dice down on the table and physically roll them around until the number showing on top is what I want?

And where do the rules say that I have to use the number on the top? If I can put my tank on any side because the rules don't mention that, surely I could also choose to read whatever side of the dice that I want.

Pink Horror wrote:
All of think talk about rotating things and RAW makes me wonder, what about "rolling" the dice? Can I just place the dice down on the table and physically roll them around until the number showing on top is what I want?

And where do the rules say that I have to use the number on the top? If I can put my tank on any side because the rules don't mention that, surely I could also choose to read whatever side of the dice that I want.

And this is why we can't have nice things.