Daughters of Khaine (and Morathi)

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**ERJAK**

Overread wrote:
Aye but I'd bet Dwarves will beat Daughters both in ranged and close combat long term. Daughters appear to be a very "glass cannon" style faction. They'll hit hard when they hit, but won't have the power to last a long slogging match.

Also the New Zealand website is updated with the release!
Essentials - Battletome - Warscroll Cards - Dice
Morathi
Battletome (physical and digital)
Warscroll Cards
Dice (seriously why does EVERY faction except Tyranids get their own dice - what did Nids do!)
Witch Aelves\Sisters of Slaughter
Doomfire Warlocks/Dark Riders
Bloodwrack Shrine/Hag Queen on Cauldron/Slaughter Queen on Cauldron

Curiously there's no limited edition codex listed (unless that only gets listed on the UK site which won't be live for a while yet). There's also no getting started kit and it would appear that the medusa and harpies will be next week releases.

Also the Daughters of Khaine Blood Coven kit (daughters and war engine kit with discount) isn't featured, though its still listed on the main listing page.

Overall its a shame that they've tied all the mages into the Cauldron kit, I suspect those being broken up on ebay will be popular as will the combined kit with daughters to form the core of an army. Then again this is Age of Sigmar rather than Fantasy so gamers won't need rank and file Daughters in great number like was once needed.

Not to poop too hard on the party but unless by dwarfs you mean fyreslayers, you're not beating DoK at anything. Even Karadron are gonna have a rought time considering DoK have good screening units.
As for the rank and file thing...ehhhhhh...you're still probably gonna need about 70.

**Overread**

The only concern is that the cauldron and daughters combined kit is out of stock on the GW UK site and appears to be listed as discontinued on one or two other 3rd party retailers (as opposed to out of stock).

Either that means they are repackaging it and relaunching it; or changing its contents or doing away with it.

**thekingofkings**

Overread wrote:
Aye but I'd bet Dwarves will beat Daughters both in ranged and close combat long term. Daughters appear to be a very "glass cannon" style faction. They'll hit hard when they hit, but won't have the power to last a long slogging match.

Also the New Zealand website is updated with the release!
Essentials - Battletome - Warscroll Cards - Dice
Morathi
Battletome (physical and digital)
Warscroll Cards
Dice (seriously why does EVERY faction except Tyranids get their own dice - what did Nids do!)
Witch Aelves\Sisters of Slaughter
Doomfire Warlocks/Dark Riders
Bloodwrack Shrine/Hag Queen on Cauldron/Slaughter Queen on Cauldron

Curiously there's no limited edition codex listed (unless that only gets listed on the UK site which won't be live for a while yet). There's also no getting started kit and it would appear that the medusa and harpies will be next week releases.

Also the Daughters of Khaine Blood Coven kit (daughters and war engine kit with discount) isn't featured, though its still listed on the main listing page.

Overall its a shame that they've tied all the mages into the Cauldron kit, I suspect those being broken up on ebay will be popular as will the combined kit with daughters to form the core of an army. Then again this is Age of Sigmar rather than Fantasy so gamers won't need rank and file Daughters in great number like was once needed.

Nids keep eating their dice, cant help it.

**GoatboyBeta**

Hopefully the Blood covens "Temporarily out of stock Online" status is so they can repack it with updated warscrolls.

**EnTyme**

Well, they aren't "No Longer Available Online", so it's a pretty safe bet that the kit will be back.

**Mayk0l**

I had a Cauldron lying around, and a bunch of witches.
How nice.
Im excited about this release!

Now that the war scrolls can be seen, how do you reckon you'll equip witches?
Before the battletome sisters of slaughter were the better choice but Im not so sure now..

**EnTyme**

I think going from a 6+ save to a 5+ (with a chance for a mortal wound) is slightly better than an extra 1 dmg attack in most cases, so I would lean toward shields over a second knife. Someone else may see the math differently than I do, though.

**Cataphract**

Mayk0l wrote:
I had a Cauldron lying around, and a bunch of witches.
How nice.
Im excited about this release!

Now that the war scrolls can be seen, how do you reckon you'll equip witches?
Before the battletome sisters of slaughter were the better choice but Im not so sure now..

Personally with the Sisters new ability I am planning on MSUs. One, so the Witch Aelves taking double knives can charge in with a ton of attacks then follow up with the Sisters getting in with their 2" whips after piling in 6"

**Future War Cultist**

Sorry, I’ve been out of the loop. How are the DoK looking exactly?

**Overread**

Well besides leaks and such their handbook isn't out yet so chances are you won't get a full impression until this weekend (although wouldn't shock me if some pre-orders arrive a little earlier). Then there's probably going to be a few weeks before they are played around with before there's some firm viewpoints on them.

Not to mention it looks like it will be a 3 week release. This week its Morathi and the rules - next week its the naga warriors and the week after that its likely the harpies (at least we assume so; the "coming next week" post only showed the naga for this coming weekend so we don't 100% know that the harpies won't appear as well)

**EnTyme**

According to the BoLS weekly GW release article, the Khinerai are coming this week, too.

**Albino Squirrel**

Overread wrote:
I guess my main concern is that GW will spread the Sigmar Wartomes out so think by splitting armies up that they end up with a large range of armies, way larger than before, which makes it hard for them to ever keep them updated with new releases/rules. I really hope after they finish 40K this year, that they can turn to tidying up and giving Sigmar some better attention.

I'd hate to see Sigmar turn into a situation in a few years where they are considering dropping more armies or combining armies and dropping models to consolidate things (even though we've got the grand alliances as a means of consolidation already).

I'm not sure they are going to keep updating the armies. I suspect they will just keep releasing new ones.

**Overread**

EnTyme wrote:
According to the BoLS weekly GW release article, the Khinerai are coming this week, too.

That would be great news, not just for Khaine fans, but also for Tau as that means the release week for them is a week closer (assuming GW don't put something else between Daughters and Tau)

**EnTyme**

Well, I'm pretty sure GW provides the release info to sites like BoLS for those articles. They're really the only thing BoLS has left that's 100% accurate.

**fresus**

Overread wrote:
EnTyme wrote:
According to the BoLS weekly GW release article, the Khinerai are coming this week, too.

That would be great news, not just for Khaine fans, but also for Tau as that means the release week for them is a week closer (assuming GW don't put something else between Daughters and Tau)

That's weird. Next week's pre-orders are listed on Warhammer Community, and don't include the Kinerai.

EnTyme wrote:Well, I'm pretty sure GW provides the release info to sites like BoLS for those articles. They're really the only thing BoLS has left that's 100% accurate.

FLGS get the info on the monday, which is when BoLS posts it. But now Warhammer Community posts the info (without the prices though) on the Sunday before, they seem to want to get ahead and release the info themselves.
And for this week, I'm actually not certain BoLS is accurate.

**auticus**

Looks like the daughters of khaine are designed as a powerful glass hammer army. To include total deep strike bypass of needing maneuver.

Get your bubble wrap ready.

**Hulksmash**

Let's be real. If you didn't have bubble wrap after what seraphon could do turn 1 you're already way behind.

**auticus**

RIP movement phase. RIP.

**GoatboyBeta**

Another DoK focused story on the Malign portents site https://malignportents.com/story/cause-celebre/. Nice to have some fluff justification for my DoK sharing a colour scheme with my Stormcast

**Overread**

New Zealand has pre-orders up

Khinari and Melusai are both up for sale and they've a selection of warscroll combined kits up on show as well (oddly they've shown them as they are even though most also include a cauldron in order to have the leader present)

**timetowaste85**

Overread wrote:
New update spells and magic!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/02/23/daughters-of-khaine-preview-part-4-magic-and-prayersgw-homepage-post-3/

There's a lot of focus on buff/debuff with the spells and prayers they've shown. Less magical damage and more magical augmentation of your units on show; though I'm sure there will be a few damage spells in there too for good measure in the full release.

It also cements the Bloodwrack Medusae and Slaughter Queens as key units in the army. Though I doubt that they'll be splitting those units off from the combined kit that they come on (and a slight shame that the avatar is going to used from that same kit as his open arms pose is rather static/statue style for combat).
It will be odd having three or four character units that are not sold outside of a combined war-weapon kit.

Lots of stuff has also vanished from the GW store as of right now so that speaks of them updating their listings!

Can the 40k Avatar of Khaine be used in place of the altar’s statue? Might be more dynamic, and they’re depictions or the same guy.

**Cataphract**

Any thoughts on which Melusai to take? I'm leaning toward Blood Sisters since their touch attack goes on a 4+ instead of the Stalkers 6+. Then again you have to get the Sisters into combat to use it. Not planning on taking Morathi right away.

**Overread**

timetowaste85 wrote:
Overread wrote:
New update spells and magic!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/02/23/daughters-of-khaine-preview-part-4-magic-and-prayersgw-homepage-post-3/

There's a lot of focus on buff/debuff with the spells and prayers they've shown. Less magical damage and more magical augmentation of your units on show; though I'm sure there will be a few damage spells in there too for good measure in the full release.

It also cements the Bloodwrack Medusae and Slaughter Queens as key units in the army. Though I doubt that they'll be splitting those units off from the combined kit that they come on (and a slight shame that the avatar is going to used from that same kit as his open arms pose is rather static/statue style for combat).
It will be odd having three or four character units that are not sold outside of a combined war-weapon kit.

Lots of stuff has also vanished from the GW store as of right now so that speaks of them updating their listings!

Can the 40k Avatar of Khaine be used in place of the altar’s statue? Might be more dynamic, and they’re depictions or the same guy.

I'd assume if it will fit on the same base then you could well take it without issue

**Eldarsif**

So reading the battletome it really feels like DoK are a horde army, at least if you run witches.

Also, as I am not a regular AoS player: is it normal for an army like this to be able to spam mortal wounds like this?

Kinda feels like they are a super glass army. Can spam out a lot of mortal wounds and damage, but if anyone looks at the units funny they break into million pieces.

**Overread**

Well make sense that witches and sisters are the main body of most of the army in the sense that they are the most basic infantry unit.
The rest of the army is basically elite units, with cauldron and Morathi being closer to the heavier hitters and damage soaks.

So yes I'd say they are very glass-cannon style. You've got a lot of surgical strike potential and area buffs to boost troop potential; if the army can get the charge on the enemy then they will do a lot of damage; plus they've got quite a bit of viable ranged attacks in their cavalry and elites to make up for no rank and file archers.

I'm thinking that taking one or two War hydra as allies might be a viable option; introducing something tanky that isn't just morathi into the army; something that can follow up from the charge and strike of the rest of the army and, with regen, has a decent chance to make it into combat alive and in good health (plus hydra have a ranged attack as well).

**Skimask Mohawk**

The stealth temple looks like it has the most potential to help survive and attack. -1 to hit is huge, and free teleport for any unit seems really nice too. Granted that's a command trait and I haven't really analyzed the rest, at the bare minimum it means morathi isn't your general so you lose out on her command ability.

**auticus**

Morathi being present and not being the general in a daughters of khaine army seems highly silly to me.

**Skimask Mohawk**

Depends. Maybe she's making an underling prove them self

**Overread**

Most rulers are good at ruling, but it doesn't make them good generals. Even if they are good fighters on the battlefield they might still lack in the proper skills of warfare needed to be a general.

So its not abnormal for a heroic leader of a faction to have generals who are more skilled at directing the armed forces.

Morathi might tell them what people or settlement or such she wants taken; but the generals would be the ones to work out the specifics of the military exercise to undertake the command.

**auticus**

While that is true that in many cases rulers aren't generals and vice-versa, none of the fiction involving her ever has her on the battlefield taking orders from a subordinate or even sitting back while a subordinate gives the orders.

I realize that that is just me, hating gamey games that override the narrative, so thats just something I have to deal with.

Having read the book today, I think the book is very well done though. It looks like a fun glass-hammer army. I think it lacks the durability to really win powergamer events but I think it can be a tough contender in the upper mid card of a tournament for sure. Will be an absolute blast in a casual campaign environment.