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 Eihnlazer wrote:
Make Flyrants (not hive tyrants, but just the flying kind) 1 per detachment. Stops spam, doesn't hurt non-spam armies in the least.

That could work too.

Honestly i think just limit one and maybe a tiny points increase is all you need to do to a tyrant. Comparing the tyrant to a daemon prince they are only liek a 15pts difference, and the tyrant has a considerably better shooting phase, a better psykic phase, a wash in melee, and maybe the daemon prince has a slightly better aura with reroll 1s??? All for 15 more pts. With the daemon prince also getting the survavility nod of getting to hang out behind troops. Either way i thgink the tyrant is abit more of a cost effective model.

Great point, Blood Angels have been consistently doing well since the codex, marines in general should see a slight uptick in price. Right?

This is stupid. It was ONE tournament, that had a ridiculous ruleset and almost no terrain.

Make Hive Tyrants 1 per detachment. Kills brigades but whatever. It well stem the tide of salt coming from people who don't go to tournaments, and didn't go to adepticon, LVO, or any major ITC event.

 Marmatag wrote:
Kills brigades but whatever.

Did I miss something? I thought Nids had more than 1 HQ option. Are Broodlords or Tyranid Primes no longer options?
Even if one of those is no longer an option, you can still have 1 Tyrant and 2 other HQs by duplicating the choice that still exists.

I don't think limiting ALL HQ choices to 1 per detachment is the solution (or what is beign suggested), but limiting CERTAIN HQs in the same way as a Tau Commander cana nd will work.
Tyrants, Greater Daemons, maybe Daemon Princes, etc
Other "generic" HQs should be fine to duplicate.

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Honestly both LVO and Adepticon count zero for balance, they are not 40K.

GW Heat results are the only ones who should be kept in consideration (and even there with a good amount of salt, since it was Eternal war only).

Galef wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:
Kills brigades but whatever.

Did I miss something? I thought Nids had more than 1 HQ option. Are Broodlords or Tyranid Primes no longer options?
Even if one of those is no longer an option, you can still have 1 Tyrant and 2 other HQs by duplicating the choice that still exists.

I don't think limiting ALL HQ choices to 1 per detachment is the solution (or what is beign suggested), but limiting CERTAIN HQs in the same way as a Tau Commander cana nd will work.
Tyrants, Greater Daemons, maybe Daemon Princes, etc
Other "generic" HQs should be fine to duplicate.

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I agree. Basicly the Big bosses of factions should be one per detachment. Patriarchs, Hive tyrants, chapter master (Already kind of are), tau commander (currently already are), Autarch, Greater daemons (in daemons codex), Daemon princes (in chaos space marine codex). etc. They are units that should be cool and useful; but it's hard to make them that, and also not make it so you don't want to just spam them.

Spoletta wrote:Honestly both LVO and Adepticon count zero for balance, they are not 40K.

GW Heat results are the only ones who should be kept in consideration (and even there with a good amount of salt, since it was Eternal war only).

I to some degree, agree. However, I think Adepticon mission pack games pan out about the same as you would playing eternal war or maelstorm in normal 40k missions.

Purifying Tempest wrote:

Anyways... There's clearly an answer here: MOAR REAPERZ!

I'm pretty sure the clear answer to "how do Eldar handle hoards" is "dress them in motley"

% points is still better than 1per detachment.

Sometimes a single unit may be over 25%.....so the rule could be 1 unit per force or up to 25% of a force can be of any one single unit type.

That cuts reaper spam, flyrants, commanders, etc from dominating. Makes a good reason to take the different types of tanks rather than spamming Wave Serpents, Razorbacks, etc.




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Again this precedent was set back in the early editions....It just needed fine tuned...the FOC was a weak alternative to fix some balance issues.

AS long as points are in the ballpark then any type of % limitations will prevent most abuses.

 admironheart wrote:
up to 25% of a force can be of any one single unit type.

This as a general rule could work, but I'd like to point out that it hurts smaller point games more.
A 500pts game, for example, might not even be able to take a certain "required" unit.

For example, many for the Star Collecting forces are intended to be around 500pts and include an HQ or other choice that would exceed the 25% rule. Thereby this would prevent new players from unit the Start Collecting boxes to....start collecting a legal force.