Black Templar - Bottom of the Barrel?

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**Primark G**

Xenomancers wrote:
Stop referring to BT sucking - the entire marine codex sucks. Their chapter tactic is just about as useless and the ultramarine one. Where you can fall back and shoot and reduce your total damage output hitting on 4's - instead of stay in CC and shoot a pistol and a CC attack that hit's on 3's - with infantry and dreads only (the two unit types you probably want to stay in CC anyways).

There are 3 units in the space marine codex that don't suck. Storm Ravens (been nerfed twice) / Scout Bikes (somehow have not been nerfed yet - I have 9 scout bikes and I have never seen another player with any - that is probably why) / Guilliman (been nerfed twice - his best units to buff also been nerfed). You'll notice none of the good units have any synergy with each other - at least storm ravens have synergy with themselves.

A pretty brutal pattern of nerfs for an army which was already noticeably weaker than several index armies.

Space marine players unite. Stop the injustice!

I think the Smurfs’ CT are the best and your example above shows lack of tactical reasoning...say you have a squad of Hellblasters in combat with Hive Tyrant. Your bolt pistols won’t do squat while hitting on 4+ with the Incinerators can do some serious damage. I keep seeing people say how good is RG but they have yet to win any major evehts.

**jcd386**

How many hellblasters are left after a round of combat with a Hive Tyrant? Lol

**kombatwombat**

The whole squad if the Tyrant consolidated instead of charged the Hellblasters.

**Gitdakka**

Primark G wrote:
Xenomancers wrote:
Stop referring to BT sucking - the entire marine codex sucks. Their chapter tactic is just about as useless and the ultramarine one. Where you can fall back and shoot and reduce your total damage output hitting on 4's - instead of stay in CC and shoot a pistol and a CC attack that hit's on 3's - with infantry and dreads only (the two unit types you probably want to stay in CC anyways).

There are 3 units in the space marine codex that don't suck. Storm Ravens (been nerfed twice) / Scout Bikes (somehow have not been nerfed yet - I have 9 scout bikes and I have never seen another player with any - that is probably why) / Guilliman (been nerfed twice - his best units to buff also been nerfed). You'll notice none of the good units have any synergy with each other - at least storm ravens have synergy with themselves.

A pretty brutal pattern of nerfs for an army which was already noticeably weaker than several index armies.

Space marine players unite. Stop the injustice!

I think the Smurfs’ CT are the best and your example above shows lack of tactical reasoning...say you have a squad of Hellblasters in combat with Hive Tyrant. Your bolt pistols won’t do squat while hitting on 4+ with the Incinerators can do some serious damage. I keep seeing people say how good is RG but they have yet to win any major evehts.

Lets not forget smurfs also get +1ld wich helps them if they take larger squads (something BT would like)