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 Blackie wrote:
"What sort of Primaris units will GW release next ?"

None?

GW has released so many SM stuff recently that they should do the same thing with other factions before adding more primaris stuff. Primaris should be ok with this catalogue for 5+ years.

But sadly SM are GW's posterboys so I guess we'll have other primaris unneeded crap very soon. I said unneeded because primaris are not a new factions, they are just additional units to an already existing army. They don't need terminators or devatators equivalents, they already have the standard SM versions.

Well first off you have to remember that 40k as a setting has always been about Marines. That's the core hook everything else hangs off.

Complaining that they get the most attention makes no sense to me.

Second, a lot of people choose to play Primaris only, because frankly running Primaris and oldscale in the same army looks silly. Plus a lot of people think the Primaris scale simply looks better.

Is it absolutely necessary to make the faction mechanically function? No. Is it reasonable that a lot of people want these things? Absolutely.

Some long-range fire support for Primaris, being Primaris, especially for anti-tank would be nice.

 Blackie wrote:
"What sort of Primaris units will GW release next ?"

None?

GW has released so many SM stuff recently that they should do the same thing with other factions before adding more primaris stuff. Primaris should be ok with this catalogue for 5+ years.

But sadly SM are GW's posterboys so I guess we'll have other primaris unneeded crap very soon. I said unneeded because primaris are not a new factions, they are just additional units to an already existing army. They don't need terminators or devatators equivalents, they already have the standard SM versions.

Primaris are actually pretty piss poor at the moment but I understand your resentment. I’d like plastic aspect warriors but GW doesn’t care so I’ll take some Primaris with heavy weapons and some with chainswords and jump packs instead.

 Stux wrote:


Is it reasonable that a lot of people want these things? Absolutely.

I think there are more people that want something else.

Take sisters. Basically every player wants them but GW is still ok with the old metal models. Drukhari and eldar have a lot of stuff that is really ancient, ork buggies have been replaced only after 20+ years despite they looked outdated since 10 years at least. But again, they're not their posterboys.

I'm not angry with GW politics, they can do whatever they want, and I have too many miniatures that I wouldn't buy something new for years anyway. I just think that they can sell more kits if they strongly promote other armies as well and SM could be fine till 10th edition with the current catalogue.

 Blackie wrote:

 Stux wrote:


Is it reasonable that a lot of people want these things? Absolutely.

I think there are more people that want something else.

Take sisters. Basically every player wants them but GW is still ok with the old metal models. Drukhari and eldar have a lot of stuff that is really ancient, ork buggies have been replaced only after 20+ years despite they looked outdated since 10 years at least. But again, they're not their posterboys.

I'm not angry with GW politics, they can do whatever they want, and I have too many miniatures that I wouldn't buy something new for years anyway. I just think that they can sell more kits if they strongly promote other armies as well and SM could be fine till 10th edition with the current catalogue.

I think you're letting the noise online skew things here.

Every player wants Sisters? I don't believe that's remotely true. Many many players, especially younger ones, are probably at best only vaguely aware they're a thing.

You have to remember that people like us that make the effort to engage in discussions in forums and such are a minority with a bias.

I like the Intercessor unit because they looks likes a SM should looks, but I only use one squad when I play because they don't give me what I need for play. And it will continue so. Agressor seems a joke, likes a Gorilla and using them is a mee. The only unit I use sometimes in addition to my intercessor squad are the Inceptors, they are the only Primaris unit that gives you a pluss to your army.

A lot of things has to change. Primaris are likes a nice and expensive car without any equipment and a small engine, nice but useless. Primaris could stay 5 years without releasing new units, but they need equipment and weapons, a lot.

 Blackie wrote:

 Stux wrote:


Is it reasonable that a lot of people want these things? Absolutely.

I think there are more people that want something else.

Take sisters. Basically every player wants them but GW is still ok with the old metal models. Drukhari and eldar have a lot of stuff that is really ancient, ork buggies have been replaced only after 20+ years despite they looked outdated since 10 years at least. But again, they're not their posterboys.

I'm not angry with GW politics, they can do whatever they want, and I have too many miniatures that I wouldn't buy something new for years anyway. I just think that they can sell more kits if they strongly promote other armies as well and SM could be fine till 10th edition with the current catalogue.

At the moment the Primaris catalogue is horribly incomplete. No solid CC unit, only footslogging HQs, no flyer, no Rhino-EQ transport, no bikes, no chapter-specific stuff. It's not that I don't want GW to give attention to other factions (I my new and shiny Ork buggies) but now that they've committed to Primaris they should follow through on it.

I'd be happy with GW ruling that existing vehicles are "Primaris-capable." Maybe let those vehicles take Primaris on the same capacity-rate as they take Terminators?

Next, give Reivers some form of power weapon and an HQ that can work with them.

Finally, Primaris Scouts and we are ready!

Alex_85 wrote:
I like the Intercessor unit because they looks likes a SM should looks, but I only use one squad when I play because they don't give me what I need for play. And it will continue so. Agressor seems a joke, likes a Gorilla and using them is a mee. The only unit I use sometimes in addition to my intercessor squad are the Inceptors, they are the only Primaris unit that gives you a pluss to your army.

A lot of things has to change. Primaris are likes a nice and expensive car without any equipment and a small engine, nice but useless. Primaris could stay 5 years without releasing new units, but they need equipment and weapons, a lot.

what if intercessors could took 2 hellblasters in ever 5 dudes? Would that make them more flexible, and by virtue of that people wanting to field them more?

TangoTwoBravo wrote:
I'd be happy with GW ruling that existing vehicles are "Primaris-capable." Maybe let those vehicles take Primaris on the same capacity-rate as they take Terminators?

I've been advocating allowing Primaris in the Stormraven for a while, it does seem more in keeping with their general feel.


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Karol wrote:

Alex_85 wrote:
I like the Intercessor unit because they looks likes a SM should looks, but I only use one squad when I play because they don't give me what I need for play. And it will continue so. Agressor seems a joke, likes a Gorilla and using them is a mee. The only unit I use sometimes in addition to my intercessor squad are the Inceptors, they are the only Primaris unit that gives you a pluss to your army.

A lot of things has to change. Primaris are likes a nice and expensive car without any equipment and a small engine, nice but useless. Primaris could stay 5 years without releasing new units, but they need equipment and weapons, a lot.

what if intercessors could took 2 hellblasters in ever 5 dudes? Would that make them more flexible, and by virtue of that people wanting to field them more?

I don't think they'd allow two hellblasters per 5 dudes. One maybe, not two. Although if GW does that I sincerely hope they bump the Stalker to Heavy 2 S5 and add taking just one as an option as well.

...actually, I kind of hope they bump the Stalker to S5 or Heavy 2 (or both) regardless.

All of my Primaris wishes are to improve the current units...

Like Reivers with more range on that grenade and making the effect last until the start of your next shooting phase. Reivers with a terror troops rule that actually does something, like force the unit to have to take an old school leadership test to fall back. Reivers with AP on those damn knives.

Aggressors and Inceptors with an extra wound from Gravis.

Redemptors that can move and shoot without penalty.

Repulsors at 250 points in the dakka kit.

But honestly, I expect GW to do Techmarines, a new vehicle, and expand the wargear options of the current units while keeping the Legion concept - no mixed wargear squads.

Karol wrote:

Alex_85 wrote:
I like the Intercessor unit because they looks likes a SM should looks, but I only use one squad when I play because they don't give me what I need for play. And it will continue so. Agressor seems a joke, likes a Gorilla and using them is a mee. The only unit I use sometimes in addition to my intercessor squad are the Inceptors, they are the only Primaris unit that gives you a pluss to your army.

A lot of things has to change. Primaris are likes a nice and expensive car without any equipment and a small engine, nice but useless. Primaris could stay 5 years without releasing new units, but they need equipment and weapons, a lot.

what if intercessors could took 2 hellblasters in ever 5 dudes? Would that make them more flexible, and by virtue of that people wanting to field them more?

I prefeer having one or two hellbalsters in a intercesor squad instead of having them all in the same squad. I would take one or two and maybe I would play with two intercesor squad instead of 1. But I prefeer real heavy weapons.

Karol wrote:

Alex_85 wrote:
I like the Intercessor unit because they looks likes a SM should looks, but I only use one squad when I play because they don't give me what I need for play. And it will continue so. Agressor seems a joke, likes a Gorilla and using them is a mee. The only unit I use sometimes in addition to my intercessor squad are the Inceptors, they are the only Primaris unit that gives you a pluss to your army.

A lot of things has to change. Primaris are likes a nice and expensive car without any equipment and a small engine, nice but useless. Primaris could stay 5 years without releasing new units, but they need equipment and weapons, a lot.

what if intercessors could took 2 hellblasters in ever 5 dudes? Would that make them more flexible, and by virtue of that people wanting to field them more?

Sort of. DW can do this already (you can do that exact breakdown with a 10 man unit and combat squad). The benefit comes from giving Hellblasters ablative wounds.

But I imagine they won't go this direction again for vanilla marines. I imagine the next step for Primaris will be to continue down the same path they are on now. Stick with the Legion concept where every member of the squad carries the same weapon and performs the same role, and keep the units separated by purpose. They'll also likely continue to introduce unique and exclusive weapons for most squads rather than providing access to old stuff or spreading out wargear across different squads. This gives them flexibility when balancing points costs without affecting other units. Case in point - while Intercessors, Reivers, and Hellblasters may currently share the same basic points cost per model, they didn't start out that way, and they all carry unique weapons that are mostly exclusive to those units and those units alone.

As an example, any shift to the cost and stats of a plasma incinerator doesn't affect anybody but Hellblasters currently, unlike a shift to the cost of a plasma gun would in vanilla armies. Nobody else uses boltstorm gauntlets, or auto bolters, or bolt rifles etc, unlike with vanilla marines where a change to the boltgun would cascade across entire armies and dozens of units. Primaris are self contained individual units where each body and weapon can be pointed differently and each weapon is a unique part of that unit's kit. Adding Hellblasters into Intercessor squads, or adding in Veterans that can pick and choose options across the entire range, would undo a lot of that balancing flexiblity. Now you're trying to balance Hellblasters and their weapons both when selected as a full heavy support unit and on their own and when mixed into squads with ablative wounds.