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 greatbigtree wrote:
What are you looking for in terms of models? There are some models that’s reasonable for like most basic marines, but that would be tougher for something like Orks where there are more textures and colours to work with, you know?

If the point of the thread is just to state your disappointment that there’s no defined “pro-painted” standard on eBay, that’s fine, but if you’re looking for something specific someone might be able to help you out if you let us know what you’re looking for.

Its fine I've had people message me who do good work. The only reason I'm still commenting is to defend myself lol

I think most people were seeking clarification, but I guess to each their own.

In the future, if you let people know you’re just venting and not looking for advice, people may not bother seeking that clarification.

 greatbigtree wrote:
I think most people were seeking clarification, but I guess to each their own.

In the future, if you let people know you’re just venting and not looking for advice, people may not bother seeking that clarification.

Like you most people were, some were just being asses.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 greatbigtree wrote:
I think most people were seeking clarification, but I guess to each their own.

In the future, if you let people know you’re just venting and not looking for advice, people may not bother seeking that clarification.

Like you most people were, some were just being asses.

Maybe if you collected your thoughts before posting and were more coherent then maybe this wouldn't happen?

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 greatbigtree wrote:
I think most people were seeking clarification, but I guess to each their own.

In the future, if you let people know you’re just venting and not looking for advice, people may not bother seeking that clarification.

Like you most people were, some were just being asses.

Maybe if you collected your thoughts before posting and were more coherent then maybe this wouldn't happen?

With you it always happens, you just look for threads to be an ass. You always just post useless sarcastic gak and try to shut down discussion on threads. Like I'm an ass when I have to be and people can't stand me because I'm arrogant and abrupt but you're just by default an ass you actually get a kick out of just gaking on people and you know it. When you make a comment everyone rolls their eyes back and sighs. You get giddy when you think of a reason to gak on someone and which makes you look like an oracle of 40k even though everyone knows what you're going to say lol Its exhausting. The only person that is impresses by you is yourself.

Delvarus Centurion wrote:I don't want well done models as in master pieces, I just want models where the painters actually follow good painting techniques like 'watering paints' . You don't want to know what price I expect, a lot of commissioners will charge twice the retail for based models and I will pay more, so yeah previous arguments do matter 'to you'. If I'm willing to pay that why would I expect cheaper models, I mean come on. I wouldn't have paid for them in the first place if I didn't think they were value for money.

Thank you for the response. Glad we got somewhere.

Disagree with the bolded though. I want to know what kind of price you'd be willing to pay, because that does depend a lot on what kind of quality you should hope to expect for it.

greatbigtree wrote:I think most people were seeking clarification, but I guess to each their own.

See, you seem to think that, but apparently anyone who's disagreed with Del before instantly has some kind of permanent vendetta against them. Not just looking for more information about part of their issue in the OP.

Gents, please ratchet down the hostility. Thanks!

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Delvarus Centurion wrote:I don't want well done models as in master pieces, I just want models where the painters actually follow good painting techniques like 'watering paints' . You don't want to know what price I expect, a lot of commissioners will charge twice the retail for based models and I will pay more, so yeah previous arguments do matter 'to you'. If I'm willing to pay that why would I expect cheaper models, I mean come on. I wouldn't have paid for them in the first place if I didn't think they were value for money.

Thank you for the response. Glad we got somewhere.

Disagree with the bolded though. I want to know what kind of price you'd be willing to pay, because that does depend a lot on what kind of quality you should hope to expect for it.

greatbigtree wrote:I think most people were seeking clarification, but I guess to each their own.

See, you seem to think that, but apparently anyone who's disagreed with Del before instantly has some kind of permanent vendetta against them. Not just looking for more information about part of their issue in the OP.

Not at all, if you read the thread instead of accusing me of expecting cheap models then I would have gladly answered your question. No where in this thread have I stated what I expect to pay so why would you say that I was expecting too much?

"So your attitude is Good+Fast-Cheap. Nice." I mean how did you come to that conclusion when I said money wasn't an issue? I literally posted this before you said all this "Its not about affordability its about value for money." If it was an honest mistake because you never read the thread than no problem but why you would just go to accusing me of something I never even said or expressed is obviously going to seem like you are holding something against me for the other post.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Big Mac wrote:
look at BlueTable painting

OP is looking for basic painting commissions, not trash sold at high-tier prices by a scammy owner whose explicitly stated refund policy is "first rule is never give the customer their money back".

Are they even still around? He went underground last I heard after the whole Chaos Dwarves fiasco.

Just wanna support the OP and say the good/fast\cheap (pick 2) triangle doesn't apply here.

From the off he has had 2 points:

1) models assembled and blocked in to a basic standard (not boutique quality, not super fast, doesn't have to be cheap either).

And

2) there are many poorly painted models sold at inflated prices that make it difficult to find reasonably painted models AT ALL.

OP's complaint seems to be he can't even pick one out of the speed quality price triangle let alone two!

Sadly OP I don't have great fingering and struggle to even block in neatly, so I can't offer you any assistance. Good luck in your quest!

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nareik wrote:
Just wanna support the OP and say the good/fast\cheap (pick 2) triangle doesn't apply here.

From the off he has had 2 points:

1) models assembled and blocked in to a basic standard (not boutique quality, not super fast, doesn't have to be cheap either).

And

2) there are many poorly painted models sold at inflated prices that make it difficult to find reasonably painted models AT ALL.

OP's complaint seems to be he can't even pick one out of the speed quality price triangle let alone two!

Sadly OP I don't have great fingering and struggle to even block in neatly, so I can't offer you any assistance. Good luck in your quest!

Cheers, though there are well painted models on ebay just not the models I was looking for, its the see of 'blob painting'I was commenting on.

Delvarus Centurion wrote:Not at all, if you read the thread instead of accusing me of expecting cheap models then I would have gladly answered your question. No where in this thread have I stated what I expect to pay so why would you say that I was expecting too much?

I didn't accuse you of that? I was asking what kind of thing you classed as "value for money". I read the thread, but I didn't see anything that gave me an answer of what you meant by "value for money".

Yes, I know that you dislike poor quality models that are horrifically marked up in price by some "pro painters", and I've seen that you're willing to pay three times the price for some well done Orks, but I just wanted an answer as to what you think "value for money" is. In my experience, "value for money" means that either the product is being sold at exactly what it should be, and everyone else isn't, OR, it means that someone somewhere is losing out.

I mean how did you come to that conclusion when I said money wasn't an issue? I literally posted this before you said all this "Its not about affordability its about value for money." If it was an honest mistake because you never read the thread than no problem but why you would just go to accusing me of something I never even said or expressed is obviously going to seem like you are holding something against me for the other post.

Look, I'm not accusing you of anything. Just after some understanding of what "value for money" means. My apologies, but I'm not out to offend here.

nareik wrote:Just wanna support the OP and say the good/fast\cheap (pick 2) triangle doesn't apply here.

From the off he has had 2 points:

1) models assembled and blocked in to a basic standard (not boutique quality, not super fast, doesn't have to be cheap either).

This is where I wanted to discuss, about what kind of standard that is. Do other colours affect that? What if the colours aren't the exact shades OP wants? What if the person paints slowly, and this marks up the price by a lot?
These kinds of things I wanted to know.

2) there are many poorly painted models sold at inflated prices that make it difficult to find reasonably painted models AT ALL.

OP's complaint seems to be he can't even pick one out of the speed quality price triangle let alone two!

Which I sympathise with, but I just want to know what kind of price they'd pay for a certain thing. I gave an example, an £18 box of Cadians, built to OP's specification to a good level, and just undercoated with a spray can, with the person doing the modelling doing, hypothetically, minimum wage.

 Big Mac wrote:
What you’re looking for is commission painting; there is a pinned post in the Dakka swap shop forum on the current members that do commissions; frontline gaming do a solid job, I’ve painted for them before going separate ways, Cosmic UK based painter does a great job imo, there are many others showcase their recent commissions you can contact for a quote. Though anyone worth a damn is usually booked, you’ll have to beg them to squeeze you in their time frame.

Back in 2015 frontline completely hosed me on a Wood Elf commission over $2k. They subbed out my commission and then I got my stuff back with mold lines. Things may have changed since then, but I'll never give them business again, nor would I recommend anyone take a chance.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Delvarus Centurion wrote:Not at all, if you read the thread instead of accusing me of expecting cheap models then I would have gladly answered your question. No where in this thread have I stated what I expect to pay so why would you say that I was expecting too much?

I didn't accuse you of that? I was asking what kind of thing you classed as "value for money". I read the thread, but I didn't see anything that gave me an answer of what you meant by "value for money".

Yes, I know that you dislike poor quality models that are horrifically marked up in price by some "pro painters", and I've seen that you're willing to pay three times the price for some well done Orks, but I just wanted an answer as to what you think "value for money" is. In my experience, "value for money" means that either the product is being sold at exactly what it should be, and everyone else isn't, OR, it means that someone somewhere is losing out.

I mean how did you come to that conclusion when I said money wasn't an issue? I literally posted this before you said all this "Its not about affordability its about value for money." If it was an honest mistake because you never read the thread than no problem but why you would just go to accusing me of something I never even said or expressed is obviously going to seem like you are holding something against me for the other post.

Look, I'm not accusing you of anything. Just after some understanding of what "value for money" means. My apologies, but I'm not out to offend here.

nareik wrote:Just wanna support the OP and say the good/fast\cheap (pick 2) triangle doesn't apply here.

From the off he has had 2 points:

1) models assembled and blocked in to a basic standard (not boutique quality, not super fast, doesn't have to be cheap either).

This is where I wanted to discuss, about what kind of standard that is. Do other colours affect that? What if the colours aren't the exact shades OP wants? What if the person paints slowly, and this marks up the price by a lot?
These kinds of things I wanted to know.

2) there are many poorly painted models sold at inflated prices that make it difficult to find reasonably painted models AT ALL.

OP's complaint seems to be he can't even pick one out of the speed quality price triangle let alone two!

Which I sympathise with, but I just want to know what kind of price they'd pay for a certain thing. I gave an example, an £18 box of Cadians, built to OP's specification to a good level, and just undercoated with a spray can, with the person doing the modelling doing, hypothetically, minimum wage.

Okay no problem then.

For ten orks just base painted no washes no work other than building them and basing, I minimum i'd expect them to go for would be 40-60 pounds even though I've paid 50 at times with more than just base painted. If I can get 10 orks just painted then even if I was paying £60 which might be a bit expensive the time I save painting them is priceless to me, especially because I collect every main faction other than tau and collect even more sub factions. Like I said it isn't a money issue for me, anyone that could see my Titan and FW collection would know that, its the ridiculousness I've seen on ebay that annoys me. Like you'll see a unit you are looking for priced at what you'd expect or more and and they look like those memes of 'water your paints' the person hasn't taken any time, just slopped paint on them and expects to charge what actual commissioners (Gordon) pay for.

And I say again, this is 2018- you claim to have been playing since 2nd ed yet people misusing the tag of "pro painted" on eBay is a revelation to you. In 2018.

 Grimtuff wrote:
And I say again, this is 2018- you claim to have been playing since 2nd ed yet people misusing the tag of "pro painted" on eBay is a revelation to you. In 2018.

Nope. It isn't a revelation, any more questions that I have answered you want me to repeat? See to me playing since 2nd isn't impressive to me unlike you and I've only been on Facebook/40k forums for a few years because I was out of the game at the end of 3rd edition till 6th, so even if I didn't know I would had a reason, I was partying and getting loaded I wouldn't have cared what pro-painted meant lol

nareik wrote:
Just wanna support the OP and say the good/fast\cheap (pick 2) triangle doesn't apply here.

From the off he has had 2 points:

1) models assembled and blocked in to a basic standard (not boutique quality, not super fast, doesn't have to be cheap either).

And

2) there are many poorly painted models sold at inflated prices that make it difficult to find reasonably painted models AT ALL.

OP's complaint seems to be he can't even pick one out of the speed quality price triangle let alone two!

Sadly OP I don't have great fingering and struggle to even block in neatly, so I can't offer you any assistance. Good luck in your quest!

He's picking speed first - going on eBay and buying something that already exists is pretty fast. Getting one point on the triangle is pretty easy. If you're willing to buy practically anything, cheap and fast is easy enough, too. But the OP doesn't just want two points of the triangle - he wants to buy already painted, ready-to-ship models (that's speed), painted exactly how he wants (quality), and with "value for money" (cheap). He wants all three points. It's a totally unrealistic expectation.

Pink Horror wrote:

nareik wrote:
Just wanna support the OP and say the good/fast\cheap (pick 2) triangle doesn't apply here.

From the off he has had 2 points:

1) models assembled and blocked in to a basic standard (not boutique quality, not super fast, doesn't have to be cheap either).

And

2) there are many poorly painted models sold at inflated prices that make it difficult to find reasonably painted models AT ALL.

OP's complaint seems to be he can't even pick one out of the speed quality price triangle let alone two!

Sadly OP I don't have great fingering and struggle to even block in neatly, so I can't offer you any assistance. Good luck in your quest!

He's picking speed first - going on eBay and buying something that already exists is pretty fast. Getting one point on the triangle is pretty easy. If you're willing to buy practically anything, cheap and fast is easy enough, too. But the OP doesn't just want two points of the triangle - he wants to buy already painted, ready-to-ship models (that's speed), painted exactly how he wants (quality), and with "value for money" (cheap). He wants all three points. It's a totally unrealistic expectation.

Speed has nothing to do with it. If you sell on ebay you can take as much time as you want to paint them. If they are on there the seller still has to be realistic, painting a unit without even watering your paints is unrealistic especially when other sellers can paint well and still sell on ebay for the same amount as these other people. And its a free market no one is making them do it quality doesn't just apply to the hard working. I'm fine paying a commissioner but like I said I've only started buying painted models so I went to ebay and was shocked at what I saw, at the shear volume of blobbyness all of whom sell at the same price as people that know what they are doing, or even more than them. You think selling a unit that would make a good 'pro painted meme' for the same price as people selling on there that actually spend time to do a quality job. Those people get by, why shouldn't the blob painters be held up to the same quality or are you one of them blob painters? If you have to strip the models you bought in order to paint it, I think that is what you call unrealistic. I wouldn't care if they said these are £10 more because they are on ebay, I'd pay that tax, like I've said; must be about 10 times now, price isn't the issue, its only an issue for blob painters.

I mean look how well these are painted for which are cheap as chips and these aren't just base painted:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Warhammer-40-000-Space-Orks-Boyz-Mob-844/352348989028?hash=item5209a2e664:g:iZ0AAOSwWFFa8GaN:rk:15:pf:0

and then look at these nearly the same price:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RAR-10-Gorkamorka-Boyz-der-Space-Orks-METALL/123010217321?hash=item1ca3faf569:g:h00AAOSwKJtaocST:rk:25:pf:0

How can the last one ever think he could compete with the first? First dude seems to be making a living. But you seem to think the last one is what you should be buying, because its 'fast', but you're right that one was painted at light speed.

There's a big problem with your examples there. You can't compare miniatures available right now with miniatures that has been OOP 15+ years.

 Gargantuan wrote:
There's a big problem with your examples there. You can't compare miniatures available right now with miniatures that has been OOP 15+ years.

No ones going to pay money for Gorkamorka models well painted or not lol

Dude edited his message 19 times....

 mokoshkana wrote:
Dude edited his message 19 times....

That's modest for me. Everyone knows I edit a lot, its not news. I even edit this.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Gargantuan wrote:
There's a big problem with your examples there. You can't compare miniatures available right now with miniatures that has been OOP 15+ years.

No ones going to pay money for Gorkamorka models well painted or not lol

I'd pay for the unpainted.
Very charming characterful figures.
Don't see the problem here?

ValentineGames wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Gargantuan wrote:
There's a big problem with your examples there. You can't compare miniatures available right now with miniatures that has been OOP 15+ years.

No ones going to pay money for Gorkamorka models well painted or not lol

I'd pay for the unpainted.
Very charming characterful figures.
Don't see the problem here?

What I mean is that you aren't gonna pay a premium because they are old or rare.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

ValentineGames wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Gargantuan wrote:
There's a big problem with your examples there. You can't compare miniatures available right now with miniatures that has been OOP 15+ years.

No ones going to pay money for Gorkamorka models well painted or not lol

I'd pay for the unpainted.
Very charming characterful figures.
Don't see the problem here?

What I mean is that you aren't gonna pay a premium because they are old or rare.

Actually yes.
Old metal GW models retain quite good value on ebay from what I've seen - esp in the UK where the market is far smaller for secondhand supply than, say, the USA.

Metal is dead easy to paint strip and fairly tough too so it lasts a long while which makes it ideal as a second hand material for models. So I see a fair few do keep good value. Rarer models, esp those that are not even in production in any form any more can go for even more than they were at retail once and some classic sculpts sell for a lot (look up the old Deamonettes they can be quite well over £10 each!)

Plastic and resin sell a little worse as they are not as durable nor simple to paint strip (use the wrong stuff or for too long and you can melt/damage them).



So yep some out of production stuff is going to sell at a decent value, not just because its limited, but because its also easy to work with and desirable. Of course it varies, some stuff is just not going to sell and some is going to sell very low priced.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

ValentineGames wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Gargantuan wrote:
There's a big problem with your examples there. You can't compare miniatures available right now with miniatures that has been OOP 15+ years.

No ones going to pay money for Gorkamorka models well painted or not lol

I'd pay for the unpainted.
Very charming characterful figures.
Don't see the problem here?

What I mean is that you aren't gonna pay a premium because they are old or rare.

Yeah.... people do, and i have many times. Some of the older models are amazing and are not being made anymore, or are in failcast.

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

ValentineGames wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Gargantuan wrote:
There's a big problem with your examples there. You can't compare miniatures available right now with miniatures that has been OOP 15+ years.

No ones going to pay money for Gorkamorka models well painted or not lol

I'd pay for the unpainted.
Very charming characterful figures.
Don't see the problem here?

What I mean is that you aren't gonna pay a premium because they are old or rare.

Yeah.... people do, and i have many times. Some of the older models are amazing and are not being made anymore, or are in failcast.

All depends on the model. Some models are really old and not worth anything really, however the old space wolf, wolf priest model with the re-breather for instance or other limited edition models or early grey knights etc..

Crazy talk. The 2nd edition grey knights are gorgeous charming models oozing character.

Heck if you want to see old model sell at a high value look at what prices out of production old metal minis sell for new in the box! They can command a very respectable price!

Not just rare for being out of production but for being untouched (or mostly untouched) since being sold!



Of course it all comes down to the buyer, some dislike any old models and others love them. Other times people like to own retro stuff from armies they have. I bought an old metal Zoanthrope the other day, the very early kind where it was walking with claws and hoofed feet. Great little model and always wanted one but never got one - till now!

ValentineGames wrote:
Crazy talk. The 2nd edition grey knights are gorgeous charming models oozing character.

I said they would reach a high price.


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 Overread wrote:
Heck if you want to see old model sell at a high value look at what prices out of production old metal minis sell for new in the box! They can command a very respectable price!

Not just rare for being out of production but for being untouched (or mostly untouched) since being sold!



Of course it all comes down to the buyer, some dislike any old models and others love them. Other times people like to own retro stuff from armies they have. I bought an old metal Zoanthrope the other day, the very early kind where it was walking with claws and hoofed feet. Great little model and always wanted one but never got one - till now!

Never liked the old Zoanthrope, the old 2nd edition Carnifex and Hive Tyrant are amazing models.