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I managed to customize a bunch of Rievers with old Black Templar pauldrons on their left arms to make my kill team models. Turned out really good but the fit was tight in some poses.

Going to assume we'll see single squad boxes for the new models in shadowspear. May not see the characters put out there though.

What I think we need to see ? Upgrade sprue for CCW for primaris marines. Some form of transport like rhino/razorback would be great. Maybe a LSS type transport. After that ? I don't know. I'd assume some other kinds of vehicles as currently primaris have very few on their own. Though would be nice if they had short comings in their list to keep using old marines more of a thing as well.

we'll see the Vanguard Libby and Vanguard captain, the Leuitenant is, as always, box exclusive

BrianDavion wrote:
we'll see the Vanguard Libby and Vanguard captain, the Leuitenant is, as always, box exclusive

I have my doubts. I believe the librarian, MoP, Cpt and Lt all on individual sprues

 fraser1191 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
we'll see the Vanguard Libby and Vanguard captain, the Leuitenant is, as always, box exclusive

I have my doubts. I believe the librarian, MoP, Cpt and Lt all on individual sprues

Lieutenant is on the same sprue as the Sergeants for Eliminators, Suppressors, and Infiltrators. Same sprue also has the Helix Adept and Smoke Grenade Infiltrator.


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BrianDavion wrote:
we'll see the Vanguard Libby and Vanguard captain, the Leuitenant is, as always, box exclusive

Tooth and Claw and Wake the Dead's LTs will be released separately--they just haven't been yet.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
we'll see the Vanguard Libby and Vanguard captain, the Leuitenant is, as always, box exclusive

I have my doubts. I believe the librarian, MoP, Cpt and Lt all on individual sprues

Lieutenant is on the same sprue as the Sergeants for Eliminators, Suppressors, and Infiltrators. Same sprue also has the Helix Adept and Smoke Grenade Infiltrator.


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BrianDavion wrote:
we'll see the Vanguard Libby and Vanguard captain, the Leuitenant is, as always, box exclusive

Tooth and Claw and Wake the Dead's LTs will be released separately--they just haven't been yet.

I could see them doing wake the dead's Lt when the new Space Marine codex comes out, space wolves will likely have to wait for codex space wolf 2.0

What I want/would expect to see:

1) Something that effects Gravis units. Vanguard makes this reasonable with Phobos units.

2) melee option Inceptors. Keeping their crushing charge, and having weapons that make you want to use it.

3) a real ranged anti-tank option on supressors. Wont happen based on name, but it is needed for primaris.

4) a general cleanup of primaris rules dissonance. Most units have rules that conflict with their weapons or themselves. Inceptors, aggressors, supressors, reivers, and most of the new vanguard characters all have this issue. Inercessors are also the least tactical troops choice in the game; they are straight chaff-clearers.

I just want some customizable primaris captains. Currently I can’t take the Axe of Medusa relic on any primaris characters and it makes me sad.

The more I think about it the more I feel like that when we ever get a revisit to the Dark Angels lore we will see New Primaris Ravenwing and Deathwing models, and probably accompanied by the Primarch himself.

Won't be anytime soon, but I am predicting this.

AngryAngel80 wrote:
Going to assume we'll see single squad boxes for the new models in shadowspear. May not see the characters put out there though.

What I think we need to see ? Upgrade sprue for CCW for primaris marines. Some form of transport like rhino/razorback would be great. Maybe a LSS type transport. After that ? I don't know. I'd assume some other kinds of vehicles as currently primaris have very few on their own. Though would be nice if they had short comings in their list to keep using old marines more of a thing as well.

Short comings? Like, just for example, having no anti-tank weapons to speak of?

BrianDavion wrote:

I could see them doing wake the dead's Lt when the new Space Marine codex comes out, space wolves will likely have to wait for codex space wolf 2.0

You forget that Kill Team exists.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Space Wolves guy show up in a Kill Team format, as there's a rumor that the Elites book includes rules for the <insert name here> bits.


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Quasistellar wrote:
I just want some customizable primaris captains. Currently I can’t take the Axe of Medusa relic on any primaris characters and it makes me sad.

Same thing goes for Raven Guard. It's a sad fact right now, makes me think we might see Primaris specific relics added in.


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 Eldarsif wrote:
The more I think about it the more I feel like that when we ever get a revisit to the Dark Angels lore we will see New Primaris Ravenwing and Deathwing models, and probably accompanied by the Primarch himself.

Won't be anytime soon, but I am predicting this.

I don't think it will be Primaris Ravenwing and Deathwing models, specifically, but I could see them releasing something that could be themed with them.

There is an interesting thing that could happen with the Ravenwing being expanded to include the Vanguard stuff that just got introduced, as the organization for them is a bit unorthodox with each of the companies can field them, with a Captain of the Company being able to draw armor from the armory and go into the field with them--the 10th is more/less going to have a dedicated 100 Vanguard that are made up of veterans within that Company.
Something similar could happen with Deathwing and Gravis armored models.

 Kanluwen wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

I could see them doing wake the dead's Lt when the new Space Marine codex comes out, space wolves will likely have to wait for codex space wolf 2.0

You forget that Kill Team exists.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Space Wolves guy show up in a Kill Team format, as there's a rumor that the Elites book includes rules for the <insert name here> bits.


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Quasistellar wrote:
I just want some customizable primaris captains. Currently I can’t take the Axe of Medusa relic on any primaris characters and it makes me sad.

Same thing goes for Raven Guard. It's a sad fact right now, makes me think we might see Primaris specific relics added in.


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 Eldarsif wrote:
The more I think about it the more I feel like that when we ever get a revisit to the Dark Angels lore we will see New Primaris Ravenwing and Deathwing models, and probably accompanied by the Primarch himself.

Won't be anytime soon, but I am predicting this.

I don't think it will be Primaris Ravenwing and Deathwing models, specifically, but I could see them releasing something that could be themed with them.

There is an interesting thing that could happen with the Ravenwing being expanded to include the Vanguard stuff that just got introduced, as the organization for them is a bit unorthodox with each of the companies can field them, with a Captain of the Company being able to draw armor from the armory and go into the field with them--the 10th is more/less going to have a dedicated 100 Vanguard that are made up of veterans within that Company.
Something similar could happen with Deathwing and Gravis armored models.

I might be misunderstanding you, but the Ravenwing are not the 10th Company of the DA, and I don't think the Vanguard Marines would be a good fit for them. The Ravenwing is the Second Company because their main role in the DA lore is the hunt for the Fallen, they are not just the DA vanguard. Every member of the Ravenwing has privileged knowledge about the Fallen that is not known by the rest of the chapter, and that has been so far zealously guarded from the Primaris Marines.The Ravenwing are also a completely mounted company, they don't even have jump pack infantry, because they are supposed to be emulating the mounted forces of the Knightly Orders of Caliban.

It would be interesting to have Primaris Marines inducted into the Ravenwing and the Deathwing, but, in my opinion, it would dilute the flavor of these two companies if they just get Primaris in Phobos Armor and Primaris in Gravis Armor instead of getting proper Primaris bikes or landspeeders and Primaris Terminators.

Just give us the Primaris Compactor, where the worst of the designs to date (Suppressors, Inceptors, Repulsive) can be safely destroyed...

 Dysartes wrote:
Just give us the Primaris Compactor, where the worst of the designs to date (Suppressors, Inceptors, Repulsive) can be safely destroyed...

Funny thing is, it took this new Chaos release to show me just how wrong I was about the aesthetics of the Primaris line. The Intercessors, Eliminators and so on all look good. But, I can't look at the inceptors, and suppressors anymore without thinking "This looks like it belongs in a different game entirely."

To date, I've not seen anything in the new Chaos line that doesn't look tightly designed, like a piece of a larger Jigsaw puzzle. They all seem great and it is a little hard to think that the same team is responsible for both.

abyrn wrote:

I might be misunderstanding you, but the Ravenwing are not the 10th Company of the DA, and I don't think the Vanguard Marines would be a good fit for them. The Ravenwing is the Second Company because their main role in the DA lore is the hunt for the Fallen, they are not just the DA vanguard. Every member of the Ravenwing has privileged knowledge about the Fallen that is not known by the rest of the chapter, and that has been so far zealously guarded from the Primaris Marines.The Ravenwing are also a completely mounted company, they don't even have jump pack infantry, because they are supposed to be emulating the mounted forces of the Knightly Orders of Caliban.

You are misunderstanding me--and going a bit down the same path as the sillier nonsense of how people have always looked at the Raven Guard as well. You're treating one element of that dynamic as "how it always is".

Ravenwing are the 2nd Company--Vanguard aren't exclusively 10th Company. They're drawn up from every single Company in the various Codex adherent Chapters as needed. There's literally nothing stopping them from serving as the forward eyes and ears of the Ravenwing, giving that "completely mounted company" a place to actually strike at.

Remember that the Ravenwing is like the Deathwing: one can be initiated into it and then move on to another Company.

It would be interesting to have Primaris Marines inducted into the Ravenwing and the Deathwing, but, in my opinion, it would dilute the flavor of these two companies if they just get Primaris in Phobos Armor and Primaris in Gravis Armor instead of getting proper Primaris bikes or landspeeders and Primaris Terminators.

You can't dilute the flavor of the long-ranged reconnaissance elements any more than "look, bikes and speeders!" or the trusted members of the Chapter, initiated into the secrets of their Fall more than "look, Terminator armor!".

The Suppressors baffle me just a bit. Look at the tiny little Grav-shute looking jump pack they have, then look at the Inceptor's gigantic jump pack.

Which one is faster?

I fully expect Primaris grav bikers. I also expect suppressors to get a second weapon option - perhaps a Gatling cannon or las talons. A melle option for primaris also should be coming - I suspect it will be based on the intercessor but perhaps they get a shield and power weapon with heavy bolt pistols.


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 Togusa wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Just give us the Primaris Compactor, where the worst of the designs to date (Suppressors, Inceptors, Repulsive) can be safely destroyed...

Funny thing is, it took this new Chaos release to show me just how wrong I was about the aesthetics of the Primaris line. The Intercessors, Eliminators and so on all look good. But, I can't look at the inceptors, and suppressors anymore without thinking "This looks like it belongs in a different game entirely."

To date, I've not seen anything in the new Chaos line that doesn't look tightly designed, like a piece of a larger Jigsaw puzzle. They all seem great and it is a little hard to think that the same team is responsible for both.

I agree they look quite silly. I have grown fond of plasma inceptors though just because they actually pack a punch - I can get around their silliness.

The Newman wrote:
The Suppressors baffle me just a bit. Look at the tiny little Grav-shute looking jump pack they have, then look at the Inceptor's gigantic jump pack.

Which one is faster?

The one that isn't weighed down (fluffwise) with heavier armor?

 Kanluwen wrote:

The Newman wrote:
The Suppressors baffle me just a bit. Look at the tiny little Grav-shute looking jump pack they have, then look at the Inceptor's gigantic jump pack.

Which one is faster?

The one that isn't weighed down (fluffwise) with heavier armor?

...they are only T4 aren't they. Kinda missed that. Still, the Inceptor jump pack is like four or five times bigger, even with the extra mass Inceptors should still be the faster of the two.


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 Xenomancers wrote:
I fully expect Primaris grav bikers. I also expect suppressors to get a second weapon option - perhaps a Gatling cannon or las talons. A melle option for primaris also should be coming - I suspect it will be based on the intercessor but perhaps they get a shield and power weapon with heavy bolt pistols.

I sure hope they don't get a Gattling Cannon, either of the available profiles (AC or Onslaught) would put them much too close to the profile of the basic Inceptor. I'm honestly not sure if I'd rather see a normal Lascannon or the LasTalon, the LasTalon seems more in line with the Primaris design philosophy but that's an awfully expensive gun.

The Newman wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

The Newman wrote:
The Suppressors baffle me just a bit. Look at the tiny little Grav-shute looking jump pack they have, then look at the Inceptor's gigantic jump pack.

Which one is faster?

The one that isn't weighed down (fluffwise) with heavier armor?

...they are only T4 aren't they. Kinda missed that. Still, the Inceptor jump pack is like four or five times bigger, even with the extra mass Inceptors should still be the faster of the two.

It's seemingly part of the fluff for the unit:
They aren't "flying around" like Inceptors are, nor are they orbital drop capable like the Inceptors are.

They use the grav-plates coupled with short bursts from the pack to get into fire positions. I'm not sure why it translated into the speed and whatnot but it did.

Yep Suppressors are wearing Tacitus armor, Inceptors are wearing Gravis.

The extra grav-chute on the legs and the extra exhaust on the power pack is what provides the flight, not a full jump-pack like the Inceptors need. So T4 vs T5(for the armor), and +2" of movement.

 Kanluwen wrote:

The Newman wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

The Newman wrote:
The Suppressors baffle me just a bit. Look at the tiny little Grav-shute looking jump pack they have, then look at the Inceptor's gigantic jump pack.

Which one is faster?

The one that isn't weighed down (fluffwise) with heavier armor?

...they are only T4 aren't they. Kinda missed that. Still, the Inceptor jump pack is like four or five times bigger, even with the extra mass Inceptors should still be the faster of the two.

It's seemingly part of the fluff for the unit:
They aren't "flying around" like Inceptors are, nor are they orbital drop capable like the Inceptors are.

They use the grav-plates coupled with short bursts from the pack to get into fire positions. I'm not sure why it translated into the speed and whatnot but it did.

I think a much better fluff/rules mix for those guys who have kept them at a 6” move. They deploy out of thunderhawks (or whatever), and the grav slows them down enough that the boots can take the shock of the landing. They can still pull some tricks with it when deployed (keep the FLY keyword) but they lack the speed of drop troops with rockets strapped to their backs.

I get how new units can marginalize old ones from a rules/table POV, but these guys make us ask “why bother with jump packs at all”. When a new unit makes a core part of the universe obsolete, you need to dial it back a bit.

 Kommissar Kel wrote:
Yep Suppressors are wearing Tacitus armor, Inceptors are wearing Gravis.

The extra grav-chute on the legs and the extra exhaust on the power pack is what provides the flight, not a full jump-pack like the Inceptors need. So T4 vs T5(for the armor), and +2" of movement.

They have thrusters on the lower legs as well. So they have four grav vanes and six boosters, so with their lighter armor, it makes sense they would be faster. I dunno. Suppressors are fine by me. I look forward to getting more of them and seeing what weapon options they get.

Okay, so the GW Adepticon seminar is today. Any bets on if there will be more Primaris stuff revealed? My speculations are as below:

Parts built Suppressors - can be built as Autocannon or Close Combat variant (basically you could use them in tandem. The Autocannon guys Suppressing Fire an opening for the Close Combat guys). It would help make sense of the fact the kit is jump pack when it really doesn't need to be. Hopefully Power Weapons on the CC variant, maybe a pistol (might even get to keep Suppressing Fire that way).

Parts built Eliminators - can be built as Character Snipers or as Monster/Vehicle killers. The Monster killers would have Sniper Lascannons. It would provide something new and interesting.

Parts built Infiltrators - Boring but necessary. They would have the non-MC variations of the Captain's Instigator Bolt Carbine and the Lieutenant's Occulus Bolt Carbine.

New Primaris vehicle - Maybe some sort of transport, or maybe a straight-up gun boat.

Codex Space Marines: Updated Edition - Basically what happened with the CSM codex. Will have new rules for some of the Successor Chapters.

Secret GK primaris... nah, won't happen. Would be funny though. People have been saying that a new army or faction is suppose to be shown. Just no one is sure if it is for w40k or AoS.

A new AoS army could shake up stuff, knights by sole fact of ravallans existance sweeped the meta of weaker builds.

\Something like a flyer or all flying units army could be interesting.