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 Mmmpi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:

40k isn't a video game were you can just swap out options with no loss of money or hobby time. I can see a new player being frustrated if they bought three boxes of GH and DPs only to learn that they just dropped 100s of dollars on units that right now are kinda in the dog house.

Bingo. Outside of needing certain bitz, encouraging new players to make bad purchases makes you a bad person.

Which is why the OP was told it would be best to learn his meta...

If his meta isn't super competitive, Grey Hunters aren't a bad purchase.

So the moment it DOES go competitive, they're a bad choice.

Might as well make the smarter purchase first.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:



So the moment it DOES go competitive, they're a bad choice.

Might as well make the smarter purchase first.

So the moment his meta isn't super competitive and he gets a rep as TFG for NOT buying GH, it's a bad choice? Which makes you a bad person? I didn't make the rules, I'm just making sure I have them right.

Might as well make the smarter choice and figure out what his meta is first.

All this "don't buy it, it's bad" is, in my opinion, bad advice. Also, it's just marine whining.

I have many Grey Hunters, and I run quite a few of them in any given Space Wolf list, mostly because I have them in numbers and don't have their competitors in numbers. While I would generally express a preference for Intercessors or Blood Claws in any given circumstance, it is possible to make them perform adequately.

Sometimes use my Grey Hunters as my minimum-cost-detachment-filler, with minimum loadout, because while Intercessors are good, they're also expensive, and I'm not always up to spend those extra points [especially if my Space Wolves detachment is fire support for another faction's close-assault detachment]. T4 and 2+ in cover is pretty decent for objective holders, especially with a -1 to hit. Other times, I'll load them up with plasmaguns and outflank them, sometimes with additional power weapons; having them there as a threat with plasma is in my experience more effective than having Blood Claws in outflank as a outflank threat.

Theoretically, they're outperformed point-for-point in any given capacity by Intercessors, Hellblasters, or Wolf Guard, but they're also less expensive than those competing options. Also, we're "losing less" by downgrading because we can't take Indomitus Crusaders anyway,

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Mmmpi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:

40k isn't a video game were you can just swap out options with no loss of money or hobby time. I can see a new player being frustrated if they bought three boxes of GH and DPs only to learn that they just dropped 100s of dollars on units that right now are kinda in the dog house.

Bingo. Outside of needing certain bitz, encouraging new players to make bad purchases makes you a bad person.

Which is why the OP was told it would be best to learn his meta...

If his meta isn't super competitive, Grey Hunters aren't a bad purchase.

So the moment it DOES go competitive, they're a bad choice.

Might as well make the smarter purchase first.

For their meta it is a smart purchase.
Why is this that hard for you to understand?


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@ILK

Unlike hellblasters, they are a troop choice, so there's a possible benefit from that as well.

 Mmmpi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Mmmpi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:

40k isn't a video game were you can just swap out options with no loss of money or hobby time. I can see a new player being frustrated if they bought three boxes of GH and DPs only to learn that they just dropped 100s of dollars on units that right now are kinda in the dog house.

Bingo. Outside of needing certain bitz, encouraging new players to make bad purchases makes you a bad person.

Which is why the OP was told it would be best to learn his meta...

If his meta isn't super competitive, Grey Hunters aren't a bad purchase.

So the moment it DOES go competitive, they're a bad choice.

Might as well make the smarter purchase first.

For their meta it is a smart purchase.
Why is this that hard for you to understand?


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@ILK

Unlike hellblasters, they are a troop choice, so there's a possible benefit from that as well.

Honestly I've found asking for advise on what to get in 40k on dakka dakka is useless., people talk as if the only way to play is with a ITC tourny netlist etc.

Pretty much.

BrianDavion wrote:


Honestly I've found asking for advise on what to get in 40k on dakka dakka is useless., people talk as if the only way to play is with a ITC tourny netlist etc.

Its more common among the "tournament" players, but it can also show up in the fluffy players. I try and give at least a couple answers with an "It Depends...." beginning to cover multiple bases/branches or provide an "On the other hand..." if someone replies before me charging full speed ahead one way without any thought to the other(s).

Breton wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:


Honestly I've found asking for advise on what to get in 40k on dakka dakka is useless., people talk as if the only way to play is with a ITC tourny netlist etc.

Its more common among the "tournament" players, but it can also show up in the fluffy players. I try and give at least a couple answers with an "It Depends...." beginning to cover multiple bases/branches or provide an "On the other hand..." if someone replies before me charging full speed ahead one way without any thought to the other(s).

I try to remember when giving advice that by time a genuinely new player to 40k breaks onto the tourny scene, he's got to assmble and paint his army and then learn the intricacies of the game that takes time, by time he's that serious FAQs will have come and gone if not whole editions so the meta will certainly have changed.

Breton wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:



So the moment it DOES go competitive, they're a bad choice.

Might as well make the smarter purchase first.

So the moment his meta isn't super competitive and he gets a rep as TFG for NOT buying GH, it's a bad choice? Which makes you a bad person? I didn't make the rules, I'm just making sure I have them right.

Might as well make the smarter choice and figure out what his meta is first.

No, it simply means they didn't buy expensive models to create a bad army.


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 Mmmpi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Mmmpi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:

40k isn't a video game were you can just swap out options with no loss of money or hobby time. I can see a new player being frustrated if they bought three boxes of GH and DPs only to learn that they just dropped 100s of dollars on units that right now are kinda in the dog house.

Bingo. Outside of needing certain bitz, encouraging new players to make bad purchases makes you a bad person.

Which is why the OP was told it would be best to learn his meta...

If his meta isn't super competitive, Grey Hunters aren't a bad purchase.

So the moment it DOES go competitive, they're a bad choice.

Might as well make the smarter purchase first.

For their meta it is a smart purchase.
Why is this that hard for you to understand?


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@ILK

Unlike hellblasters, they are a troop choice, so there's a possible benefit from that as well.

Because that "smart purchase" isn't just $5. It's almost 10× that amount. Best buy stuff that's capable.

A) I don't netlist. If I did, I'd be on the hellblaster bandwagon.

B) Plenty of casual lists steamroll casual marines without even meaning to. Because GeeDubs.

I love the term "netlist" as an insult. Reminds me of the people that sucked at Magic and Yugioh and using the insult "netdeck".

I dont do it because i might not understand some interaction they were going for. Not because its bad.

Ive seen hellblasters backfire over and over and over. Everyone thinks the dumb banner makes them good. Newsflash: your expensive ass model is still dead AF.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Spoiler:

 Mmmpi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Mmmpi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:

40k isn't a video game were you can just swap out options with no loss of money or hobby time. I can see a new player being frustrated if they bought three boxes of GH and DPs only to learn that they just dropped 100s of dollars on units that right now are kinda in the dog house.

Bingo. Outside of needing certain bitz, encouraging new players to make bad purchases makes you a bad person.

Which is why the OP was told it would be best to learn his meta...

If his meta isn't super competitive, Grey Hunters aren't a bad purchase.

So the moment it DOES go competitive, they're a bad choice.

Might as well make the smarter purchase first.

For their meta it is a smart purchase.
Why is this that hard for you to understand?


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@ILK

Unlike hellblasters, they are a troop choice, so there's a possible benefit from that as well.

Because that "smart purchase" isn't just $5. It's almost 10× that amount. Best buy stuff that's capable.

So a unit that can carry a few plasma guns, out-flank onto an objective, and sit in cover with a 2+ armor save, all while overriding non-troops for control of the objective. AKA Grey Hunters.

You've missed the whole point of what people are telling, probably on purpose at this point.

 Mmmpi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Spoiler:

 Mmmpi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Mmmpi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:

40k isn't a video game were you can just swap out options with no loss of money or hobby time. I can see a new player being frustrated if they bought three boxes of GH and DPs only to learn that they just dropped 100s of dollars on units that right now are kinda in the dog house.

Bingo. Outside of needing certain bitz, encouraging new players to make bad purchases makes you a bad person.

Which is why the OP was told it would be best to learn his meta...

If his meta isn't super competitive, Grey Hunters aren't a bad purchase.

So the moment it DOES go competitive, they're a bad choice.

Might as well make the smarter purchase first.

For their meta it is a smart purchase.
Why is this that hard for you to understand?


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@ILK

Unlike hellblasters, they are a troop choice, so there's a possible benefit from that as well.

Because that "smart purchase" isn't just $5. It's almost 10× that amount. Best buy stuff that's capable.

So a unit that can carry a few plasma guns, out-flank onto an objective, and sit in cover with a 2+ armor save, all while overriding non-troops for control of the objective. AKA Grey Hunters.

You've missed the whole point of what people are telling, probably on purpose at this point.

You can get more Plasma outflanked with different units, and I already pointed out this could be done. At least Blood Claws fill a better niche of potentially tying up units.

There's no point to Grey Hunters right now.

You're talking about it like it's life or death.

It's $40, and Grey Hunters aren't so bad you won't succeed with them, and they will perform adequately if not wholly mismanaged. Also, they're 65 points, it's remarkably hard for them to reach the point of "so bad you can't win" unless you bring like 90 of them. They do most of what you want them to do just fine.

Finally, Marines, MEQ, and Space Wolves aren't that bad anyway.

They're pretty terrible. Making them your primary faction puts you off a full standard deviation or more in win % in a competitive setting. All loyalist power armor sans DA are clocking in in the same range of win %, regardless of gimmick. The basal concept doesn't work well in 8th.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
You're talking about it like it's life or death.

It's $40, and Grey Hunters aren't so bad you won't succeed with them, and they will perform adequately if not wholly mismanaged. Also, they're 65 points, it's remarkably hard for them to reach the point of "so bad you can't win" unless you bring like 90 of them. They do most of what you want them to do just fine.

Finally, Marines, MEQ, and Space Wolves aren't that bad anyway.

40$ is not pocket change.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
You're talking about it like it's life or death.

It's $40, and Grey Hunters aren't so bad you won't succeed with them, and they will perform adequately if not wholly mismanaged. Also, they're 65 points, it's remarkably hard for them to reach the point of "so bad you can't win" unless you bring like 90 of them. They do most of what you want them to do just fine.

Finally, Marines, MEQ, and Space Wolves aren't that bad anyway.

40$ is not pocket change.

$40 isn't pocket change, but it's also not a lot of money either.

While I think that Grey Hunters will perform just fine, because mine do, if you really aren't happy with them, buy a box of Intercessors next month.


With regards to their good-ness, I find that, for a 65-75 point unit, they're cheap enough that I don't really care about marginal gains in efficiency from switching to intercessors. In addition, I don't think it's Grey Hunters that are what's "setting you back by a standard deviation".

IMHO the grey hunter box is one of the best values among basic old marines on the market. being cheaper then a tac squad but also having a ton of useful spare bits. Heck I'd argue even if you wheren't intending on deploying grey hunters it might be worth snagging the box for your bits box.

BrianDavion wrote:
IMHO the grey hunter box is one of the best values among basic old marines on the market. being cheaper then a tac squad but also having a ton of useful spare bits. Heck I'd argue even if you wheren't intending on deploying grey hunters it might be worth snagging the box for your bits box.

I would agree with this sentiment too. All the bits I've got from a bunch of grey hunters has gone a long way for me.

BrianDavion wrote:
IMHO the grey hunter box is one of the best values among basic old marines on the market. being cheaper then a tac squad but also having a ton of useful spare bits. Heck I'd argue even if you wheren't intending on deploying grey hunters it might be worth snagging the box for your bits box.

I'm not denying that buying a box for the bitz is sometimes a good idea. The models themselves built as Grey Hunters though is an entirely different story.

I currently run two five man squads of Grey Hunters and a Rhino.
Squad A is bare bones - all carrying Bolter, Chainswords and Bolt Pistols. They get the Rhino armed with twin Storm Bolters and are completely suicidal, their job is to kill infantry then die.
Squad B is similar, five men, Bolters, Chainswords, Bolt Pistols but one model is packing a Plasma Gun. They’re kind of suicidal as well, they Cunning of the Wolf bag an objective or cover in my opponent’s deployment damage or destroy something more expensive than they are then die - I’ve considered throwing a WGTermie packing a Storm Bolter or Combi-Plasma and a Storm Shield in with them but that just seems to make it harder to get their value before they die rather than making them harder to kill.
My third troop choice is Infiltrators, Space Wolves with Concealed Position demand attention and just like the Grey Hunters exist in my list for the purposes of killing screening models and drawing attention away from Wulfen and WGBikers.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Mmmpi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Spoiler:

 Mmmpi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Mmmpi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:

40k isn't a video game were you can just swap out options with no loss of money or hobby time. I can see a new player being frustrated if they bought three boxes of GH and DPs only to learn that they just dropped 100s of dollars on units that right now are kinda in the dog house.

Bingo. Outside of needing certain bitz, encouraging new players to make bad purchases makes you a bad person.

Which is why the OP was told it would be best to learn his meta...

If his meta isn't super competitive, Grey Hunters aren't a bad purchase.

So the moment it DOES go competitive, they're a bad choice.

Might as well make the smarter purchase first.

For their meta it is a smart purchase.
Why is this that hard for you to understand?


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@ILK

Unlike hellblasters, they are a troop choice, so there's a possible benefit from that as well.

Because that "smart purchase" isn't just $5. It's almost 10× that amount. Best buy stuff that's capable.

So a unit that can carry a few plasma guns, out-flank onto an objective, and sit in cover with a 2+ armor save, all while overriding non-troops for control of the objective. AKA Grey Hunters.

You've missed the whole point of what people are telling, probably on purpose at this point.

You can get more Plasma outflanked with different units, and I already pointed out this could be done. At least Blood Claws fill a better niche of potentially tying up units.

There's no point to Grey Hunters right now.

And how many of those options are also objective secured, AND spacewolves? Besides, if you're just looking at tying up a unit, Grey Hunters are just as durable as blood claws.

 Mmmpi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Mmmpi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Spoiler:

 Mmmpi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Mmmpi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:

40k isn't a video game were you can just swap out options with no loss of money or hobby time. I can see a new player being frustrated if they bought three boxes of GH and DPs only to learn that they just dropped 100s of dollars on units that right now are kinda in the dog house.

Bingo. Outside of needing certain bitz, encouraging new players to make bad purchases makes you a bad person.

Which is why the OP was told it would be best to learn his meta...

If his meta isn't super competitive, Grey Hunters aren't a bad purchase.

So the moment it DOES go competitive, they're a bad choice.

Might as well make the smarter purchase first.

For their meta it is a smart purchase.
Why is this that hard for you to understand?


Automatically Appended Next Post:
@ILK

Unlike hellblasters, they are a troop choice, so there's a possible benefit from that as well.

Because that "smart purchase" isn't just $5. It's almost 10× that amount. Best buy stuff that's capable.

So a unit that can carry a few plasma guns, out-flank onto an objective, and sit in cover with a 2+ armor save, all while overriding non-troops for control of the objective. AKA Grey Hunters.

You've missed the whole point of what people are telling, probably on purpose at this point.

You can get more Plasma outflanked with different units, and I already pointed out this could be done. At least Blood Claws fill a better niche of potentially tying up units.

There's no point to Grey Hunters right now.

And how many of those options are also objective secured, AND spacewolves? Besides, if you're just looking at tying up a unit, Grey Hunters are just as durable as blood claws.

They're more durable than Blood Claws.
Smart opponents can make it so Blood Claws need a Wolf Guard babysitter or surrender their turn by declaring Advance to prevent them being forced to suicide charge.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

 Mmmpi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Mmmpi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Spoiler:

 Mmmpi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Mmmpi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:

40k isn't a video game were you can just swap out options with no loss of money or hobby time. I can see a new player being frustrated if they bought three boxes of GH and DPs only to learn that they just dropped 100s of dollars on units that right now are kinda in the dog house.

Bingo. Outside of needing certain bitz, encouraging new players to make bad purchases makes you a bad person.

Which is why the OP was told it would be best to learn his meta...

If his meta isn't super competitive, Grey Hunters aren't a bad purchase.

So the moment it DOES go competitive, they're a bad choice.

Might as well make the smarter purchase first.

For their meta it is a smart purchase.
Why is this that hard for you to understand?


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@ILK

Unlike hellblasters, they are a troop choice, so there's a possible benefit from that as well.

Because that "smart purchase" isn't just $5. It's almost 10× that amount. Best buy stuff that's capable.

So a unit that can carry a few plasma guns, out-flank onto an objective, and sit in cover with a 2+ armor save, all while overriding non-troops for control of the objective. AKA Grey Hunters.

You've missed the whole point of what people are telling, probably on purpose at this point.

You can get more Plasma outflanked with different units, and I already pointed out this could be done. At least Blood Claws fill a better niche of potentially tying up units.

There's no point to Grey Hunters right now.

And how many of those options are also objective secured, AND spacewolves? Besides, if you're just looking at tying up a unit, Grey Hunters are just as durable as blood claws.

They're more durable than Blood Claws.
Smart opponents can make it so Blood Claws need a Wolf Guard babysitter or surrender their turn by declaring Advance to prevent them being forced to suicide charge.

Good to know.

 Mmmpi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Mmmpi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Spoiler:

 Mmmpi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Mmmpi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:

40k isn't a video game were you can just swap out options with no loss of money or hobby time. I can see a new player being frustrated if they bought three boxes of GH and DPs only to learn that they just dropped 100s of dollars on units that right now are kinda in the dog house.

Bingo. Outside of needing certain bitz, encouraging new players to make bad purchases makes you a bad person.

Which is why the OP was told it would be best to learn his meta...

If his meta isn't super competitive, Grey Hunters aren't a bad purchase.

So the moment it DOES go competitive, they're a bad choice.

Might as well make the smarter purchase first.

For their meta it is a smart purchase.
Why is this that hard for you to understand?


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@ILK

Unlike hellblasters, they are a troop choice, so there's a possible benefit from that as well.

Because that "smart purchase" isn't just $5. It's almost 10× that amount. Best buy stuff that's capable.

So a unit that can carry a few plasma guns, out-flank onto an objective, and sit in cover with a 2+ armor save, all while overriding non-troops for control of the objective. AKA Grey Hunters.

You've missed the whole point of what people are telling, probably on purpose at this point.

You can get more Plasma outflanked with different units, and I already pointed out this could be done. At least Blood Claws fill a better niche of potentially tying up units.

There's no point to Grey Hunters right now.

And how many of those options are also objective secured, AND spacewolves? Besides, if you're just looking at tying up a unit, Grey Hunters are just as durable as blood claws.

Objective Secured is such a non-rule.

Plus Grey Hunters are more expensive because they NEED to buy Special Weapons. Claws don't even really need the Power Weapons or Fists added to do the job of charging and tying up.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Spoiler:

 Mmmpi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Mmmpi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

[spoiler]

 Mmmpi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Mmmpi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:

40k isn't a video game were you can just swap out options with no loss of money or hobby time. I can see a new player being frustrated if they bought three boxes of GH and DPs only to learn that they just dropped 100s of dollars on units that right now are kinda in the dog house.

Bingo. Outside of needing certain bitz, encouraging new players to make bad purchases makes you a bad person.

Which is why the OP was told it would be best to learn his meta...

If his meta isn't super competitive, Grey Hunters aren't a bad purchase.

So the moment it DOES go competitive, they're a bad choice.

Might as well make the smarter purchase first.

For their meta it is a smart purchase.
Why is this that hard for you to understand?


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@ILK

Unlike hellblasters, they are a troop choice, so there's a possible benefit from that as well.

Because that "smart purchase" isn't just $5. It's almost 10× that amount. Best buy stuff that's capable.

So a unit that can carry a few plasma guns, out-flank onto an objective, and sit in cover with a 2+ armor save, all while overriding non-troops for control of the objective. AKA Grey Hunters.

You've missed the whole point of what people are telling, probably on purpose at this point.

You can get more Plasma outflanked with different units, and I already pointed out this could be done. At least Blood Claws fill a better niche of potentially tying up units.

There's no point to Grey Hunters right now.

 Mmmpi wrote:


So a unit that can carry a few plasma guns, out-flank onto an objective, and sit in cover with a 2+ armor save, all while overriding non-troops for control of the objective. AKA Grey Hunters.

You've missed the whole point of what people are telling, probably on purpose at this point.

Its personal bias with a healthy dose of hypocrisy. They're bad because I say they're bad, even if your meta does look down on and ostracize people who don't take the basic troops in fluffy and less competitive levels and anyone who tells someone in that Meta to listbuild with those criteria in mind is evil, making them waste their money. But when I tell them to ignore the crtieria that will get them a game in the first place, and just Min-Max everything it's smart purchasing. Sure they can't get a game at all, but at least they're not getting a ton of games using models I think are stupid.

Edit to continue:

Objective Secured is such a non-rule.

Objective Secured is a non-rule because I don't play with it. I just do how much of your stuff I kill, because that's all that matters, and everyone who doesn't play the way I do doesn't count.

Yup. Oh wait, your not Slayer Fan! How could I ever have confused you two?!?!?

Breton wrote:

 Mmmpi wrote:


So a unit that can carry a few plasma guns, out-flank onto an objective, and sit in cover with a 2+ armor save, all while overriding non-troops for control of the objective. AKA Grey Hunters.

You've missed the whole point of what people are telling, probably on purpose at this point.

Its personal bias with a healthy dose of hypocrisy. They're bad because I say they're bad, even if your meta does look down on and ostracize people who don't take the basic troops in fluffy and less competitive levels and anyone who tells someone in that Meta to listbuild with those criteria in mind is evil, making them waste their money. But when I tell them to ignore the crtieria that will get them a game in the first place, and just Min-Max everything it's smart purchasing. Sure they can't get a game at all, but at least they're not getting a ton of games using models I think are stupid.

Edit to continue:

Objective Secured is such a non-rule.

Objective Secured is a non-rule because I don't play with it. I just do how much of your stuff I kill, because that's all that matters, and everyone who doesn't play the way I do doesn't count.

And where was I a hypocrite? Pray tell, please.

You'll still get games in because most people aren't ass hats about you making smarter purchases. Not my fault your local sea is clearly fitting the definition of CAAC


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 Mmmpi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Spoiler:

 Mmmpi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Mmmpi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

[spoiler]

 Mmmpi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Mmmpi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:

40k isn't a video game were you can just swap out options with no loss of money or hobby time. I can see a new player being frustrated if they bought three boxes of GH and DPs only to learn that they just dropped 100s of dollars on units that right now are kinda in the dog house.

Bingo. Outside of needing certain bitz, encouraging new players to make bad purchases makes you a bad person.

Which is why the OP was told it would be best to learn his meta...

If his meta isn't super competitive, Grey Hunters aren't a bad purchase.

So the moment it DOES go competitive, they're a bad choice.

Might as well make the smarter purchase first.

For their meta it is a smart purchase.
Why is this that hard for you to understand?


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@ILK

Unlike hellblasters, they are a troop choice, so there's a possible benefit from that as well.

Because that "smart purchase" isn't just $5. It's almost 10× that amount. Best buy stuff that's capable.

So a unit that can carry a few plasma guns, out-flank onto an objective, and sit in cover with a 2+ armor save, all while overriding non-troops for control of the objective. AKA Grey Hunters.

You've missed the whole point of what people are telling, probably on purpose at this point.

You can get more Plasma outflanked with different units, and I already pointed out this could be done. At least Blood Claws fill a better niche of potentially tying up units.

There's no point to Grey Hunters right now.

And how many of those options are also objective secured, AND spacewolves? Besides, if you're just looking at tying up a unit, Grey Hunters are just as durable as blood claws.