Chaplain litanies should be 100% inspiration rate.

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**tneva82**

Why I have to roll for advance? Why I have to roll for to hit? Why I have to roll for first turn?

**Wyldhunt**

tneva82 wrote:
Why I have to roll for advance?

Actually, that's another rule that could probably be replaced with a flat value. Rolling a 1 for an advance never feels good, and failing to reach an objective because of a single d6 roll isn't all that tactically interesting.

Why I have to roll for to hit?

Because without some form of randomness in the attack process, the core mechanics of the game would become very deterministic. Randomizing how effective an attack is creates uncertainty in the game and allows for more a lot more board states than we'd have with non-random attack effectiveness. It's an example of randomness being used to good effect in a game. Whereas litanies could be argued to be an example of randomness for the sake of randomness.

Why I have to roll for first turn?

Because someone has to go first, and one player would probably be a bit irked if you determined who that player was by going off of age or alphabetically by name or something. A roll off is a quick and easy way to give both players the same chance of going first that utilizes tools (the dice) that the game already assumes you have access too. You could just as easily draw cards from a deck and let the high card go first, but the game does not presuppose you have access to playing cards. You could play a game of basketball and let the winner go first, but that method would favor the more athletic player and would be time consuming. Again, an example of randomness used to good effect.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Actually I'm all for forgoing the advance roll in favor of units having a fixed value (maybe even just their M" value) instead of rolling. Also getting rid of rolling for charges would be a fantastic change. Give THAT a fixed value please.

**Blackie**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Actually I'm all for forgoing the advance roll in favor of units having a fixed value (maybe even just their M" value) instead of rolling. Also getting rid of rolling for charges would be a fantastic change. Give THAT a fixed value please.

Rolling for charges is quite recent, I remember older editions when the charging unit just needed to be in range and then its charge was automatically successful. It was a 3rd edition thing for sure, maybe even in 5th charges worked that way, and rolling for charges was introduced only in 6th or 7th IIRC.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Blackie wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Actually I'm all for forgoing the advance roll in favor of units having a fixed value (maybe even just their M" value) instead of rolling. Also getting rid of rolling for charges would be a fantastic change. Give THAT a fixed value please.

Rolling for charges is quite recent, I remember older editions when the charging unit just needed to be in range and then its charge was automatically successful. It was a 3rd edition thing for sure, maybe even in 5th charges worked that way, and rolling for charges was introduced only in 6th or 7th IIRC.

It used to be 6" to successfully make a charge

**vipoid**

I'll also add my support for Advance being a flat value.

**Wyldhunt**

Definitely onboard with a flat charge range. Wouldn't mind making it a flat 6" or 7" or adding a charge range stat to units' profiles.

How would charging out of deepstrike work? Make all units' charge distance 2d6" on the turn they arrive from reserves? Basically using random charge rolls only for units coming in from reserves?

Also... autopassing psychic tests unless your opponent opts to deny a power? >_>

**_SeeD_**

greyknight12 wrote:
I think this is only really coming up because 9th doesn't allow command rerolls on Litanies.

No, I definitely brought this up because Chaplains have a lesser statline for an HQ, and a moderately unreliable ability for around the same price as an HQ with a better statline and a more reliable aura. I also think that it's a little un-fluffy for a Chaplain's litanies to be sometimes inspiring, considering they are the rock of religious motivation among the SM, but that's not the point I want to base this opinion on.