Tome of Malcador - Any discipline

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**JohnnyHell**

Type40 wrote:
JohnnyHell wrote:
doctortom wrote:
U02dah4 wrote:
(Many lines over one thing)

Dude, I'm just saying stop calling it a RAW vs RAI situation because it's not, it's a RAW vs RAW situtation with two different interpretations of RAW. It's not RAW vs RAI, at least in the manner known on the forum. RAI implies that it isn't necessarily RAW. Despite your claims, your interpretation is RAI as much as the the other interpretation, as you interpret it that you can't choose from another discipline. So stop calling it RAW vs RAI.

Indeed. Is every thread destined for slow, argumentative, insult-laden deaths right now? Like I’ve said so many times to that other guy, you can’t just add “RAW” to whatever hot take you prefer and magically win. Disingenuous arguing fills up threads and adds nothing of value.

I know I have some alternative takes sometimes on these forums. but it's hard to argue for anything in YMDC when one person is actually engaged in discourse with you and another person is slinging bad faith arguments and deliberately misinterpreting/misrepresenting your arguments. It just becomes a mess of some people responding to bad argumentation, some responding legitimately and just confusion for whomever is looking for an answer about a rules questions.

I apologize for all the times I get snippy or rude though. I really do try to demonstrate my examples, logic and positions as well as possible and I do try to concede when it is clear that I am incorrect. Sorry for my part in propagating the page bloat round here.

Eh I think there comes a point when you’re trying to initially just trying to inform and assist and you inadvertently end up taking the bait. I’ve done similar, and offer similar apologies. But some folk revel in driving it and it just dilutes any utility this forum might have.

**Marmatag**

U02dah4 wrote:
Marmatag wrote:
Cybtroll wrote:
A psyker have access to multiple discipline, but when choose his powers have to get them all from the same list.
The Tome allow to select an additional power with a specific bespoken restriction, "any discipline he has access to". It's explicitly different than "an additional power".

So, does he retain access to the discipline he isn't currently using? Yes he does, the rule that blocks him doesn't have anything to do with his access to the discipline, but limits only his selection of powers.
Powers are different from disciplines.

Does the Tome follow the same restriction? No, because it's not a psyker that is selecting power, it's a Relic granting a special effects.
If the Relic rule was "pick an additional power" then you would follow all restriction for selecting power. Since it explicitly say something different, "pick one between any discipline available"... Well, you get it, you pick one between any discipline available. "Any" in this case is even a further explicit reinforcement of the concept.

Any modification to what is or not available that is deducted from a sub-restriction about power and not discipline ("all powers have to be from the same list") is an improper deduction... that rules do not support.

This is a really well written argument. If i'm the TO, i'm accepting this reasoning. That said, I would prefer for clarity on GW's part since there is dissent amongst us in this thread and there are decent arguments on both sides.

Except" all of their psychic powers from the Tempestas Discipline" the key phrase being all and is equally valid if the tome selects a different then the all has been violated. Theirs no clear answer.

Yes i'm aware of both sides of the argument, just pointing out that i'd accept that one over the on you're suggesting, because specific rules override general rules all the time, in ways that would make lists illegal. And, the restriction being applied to powers, coupled with the relic specifying disciplines, and the precedent with other rules, makes it the one i'd choose.

He made a great point, really. Access to powers is restricted, but powers aren't disciplines.

**BrookM**

The question appears to have been answered some pages ago, so I am going to put a stop to this pointless back and forth now.