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If motu means we get a bunch of cool ass vehicles then.......

 NH Gunsmith wrote:
Didn't even notice the relative lack of pants until you mentioned it haha. Yeah, that does look a bit off.

I mean, I don't mind the lack of trousers per se. It has its merits. You can always go when you need to. You dont need to worry about soiling yourself. The breeze is probably nice.

I mean I don't mind it on my uruk hai orcs from lotr because at least they have a full skirt of chain mail with a loun rag under it, nearly full plate and either pikes or a big old shield and sword. And they're 'realistically' proportioned on top of that. The only nearly nekked guy is 'private parts', my uruk-hai berserker. (Note, need more zerberkers).

These guys, yeah with the cartoony armour and weapon aesthetics (and that's saying something for wmh!) they're falling quite a bit short on the venerable uruk-hai.

 greenskin lynn wrote:
If motu means we get a bunch of cool ass vehicles then.......

A battle engine that's made of 2 120mm bases, and you move it by taking the back base and putting it adjacent to the front base..... yyeeeeeeeesssssss!!!

I feel like the Orgoth reveal has revived my interest in the game. Never played it. Except Warmachine Tactics

Cool! Let us know if you have any questions getting started. Happy to help.

https://home.privateerpress.com/2022/04/07/orgoth-warcaster-preview/

New article about the two new Warcasters

Shout-out to the color scheme in the concept art:
(spoilered for hugeness)

Yea, thats much nicer

I will say, i'm enjoying the background they've slowly been putting out for them

the idea that their casters are all working to afford their next soul recycle treatment and their warjacks being powered by the souls of angry honey badgers and the like

I'm gobsmacked by how poorly the physical models compare to the fantastic art.

Maybe it's just my senses, but I actually have trouble distinguishing the model past the unreasonable amount of NMM. It's like I can see the pieces but my mind can't put them together. I would be very interested to see them with a sane paint job.

I find the models generally pretty disappointing, but I really like the background they've come up with. There's some great ideas in there. I like the idea that getting kicked out of Immoren and the riplung plague caused a lot of social upheval and the Warwitches took over, and the concept that all the high ranking Orgoth are essentially really old souls posessing the bodies of their descendants is proper grimdark. A whole faction of Joseph Curwens.

For those that didn't catch my Primecast update in the other thread, Matt Wilson confirmed no Kickstarter for Orgoth and that PP is aiming for a GenCon (Aug 4) release if they can figure out their production woes.

For those that want a classic design this is a mini crate model that was also announced today.

might be the 6 month bonus mini, not been confirmed yet.

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I think definitely what people were hoping to see, but the new style is rapidly growing on me.

 Monkeysloth wrote:
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Looks like a cross between Man-E-Faces and Ram Man….

 Monkeysloth wrote:
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Ooh, Eric Swinson did a good job on him.



- So will Orgoth will be one of the four starting factions for Warmachine3?

It seems odd to have left out so many other factions.

 odinsgrandson wrote:

 Monkeysloth wrote:
Sorry about that. The reddit image wasn't embedding

Ooh, Eric Swinson did a good job on him.



- So will Orgoth will be one of the four starting factions for Warmachine3?

It seems odd to have left out so many other factions.

Sea Raiders is one of the first two armies for MK4 that will be in the Orgoth faction, yes. The rest of the game will be getting armies based on legacy models at launch though. The "new armies" are just based on new releases. Assuming I'm right that House Kallyss is dual faction Cryx/Ret, those 4 cover most of the legacy factions with the notable exception of Menoth.

Factioms and Armies work different in Mk4. Players no longer play "Factions", they now play "Armies". "Cygnar" is a faction, but nobody will play Cygnar, instead they will play "Storm Legion". The Armies will be finite and limited, 2-3 Warcasters, 2-3 Warjacks, 5-6 units, and a handful of solos was the breakeown given by PP. The warcasters, warjacks, units, and solos for Storm Legion will generally only work for Storm Legion, if you also pick up Gravediggers there will generally be no crossover between the two, the exception being "cadres" which are basically in-faction mercs that can be used by multiple armies within a faction.

As for House Kallyss, they are an army for the Dusk faction. Ret no longer exists, nor does Ios really as all the Iosans bevame eldritch or soulless following the destruction of the Iosan gods.

In a way, it sounds kinda like they're following Infinity's Sectorials army, but without the option to take the "vanilla" faction. I could see that going either way, really; in Infinity I think it works ok because you get some benefits in Fireteam options to compensate for the more limited model selection, but still have the option of fewer Fireteam options and wider unit types selection. Either way, it sounds like it might be better than the current theme list mechanics.

I'll definitely give the rules a read-through when they come out. Probably won't jump back in, honestly, for a variety of reasons, but curious to see what they do.

Im unlikely to jump back in because I just had 80% of my current miniatures effectively rendered obsolete.

MK4 is really Warmachine 2 (or as others put it, Age of Sigmar with better PR). its mostly the same rules but its a different timeline, characters, story, miniatures, and factions, etc. The legacy minis are being given what basically amounts to "Legends" rules in 40k, you'll be able to play them casually but not in competitive play, which means you probably won't really be able to play them casually either since competitive play always dictates how the game gets played at the casual level.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Im unlikely to jump back in because I just had 80% of my current miniatures effectively rendered obsolete.

MK4 is really Warmachine 2 (or as others put it, Age of Sigmar with better PR). its mostly the same rules but its a different timeline, characters, story, miniatures, and factions, etc. The legacy minis are being given what basically amounts to "Legends" rules in 40k, you'll be able to play them casually but not in competitive play, which means you probably won't really be able to play them casually either since competitive play always dictates how the game gets played at the casual level.

You know.... I'm not sure about that. The new "Prime" armies aren't being released at such an aggressive pace that it can really become the standard for a while. Unlimited is going to have to carry the load for a lot longer than something like a TCG rotation there's value in playing around with those Legacy armies. I don't think Unlimited is going to be the predominant tournament format by any means, but I think its pretty clear that Warmachine can't survive on the backs of the tournament crowd alone. It needs that Modern style "play with my old toys" setting specifically because its not competitive and when you burn out on the tournament treadmill its something to fuel the kitchen table crowd that both keeps old players engaged and provides a place for new players to jump in.

40k never really vanishes because for all the tournament hype it gets, there's always a bunch of people that are just kind of rolling dice with their toys. Modern and Commander are huge in keeping players involved when a new set turns them off. These are also the environments where new players tend to get their start before getting caught up in chasing the meta. Warmachine has never really had that. There was only the meta chase, which meant when you burned out, you just quit and new players really only had the option of jumping in the fire. Personally I'm going to have a Prime army or two, but I think its going to be crucial to always being open to playing Unlimited. It doesn't need tournaments; it doesn't need major support; it just needs a community willing to let people who want to play with their toys play. If the playerbase can't find a reason to play games that aren't grinding out practice for the next meaningless tournament, then its just not going to survive regardless of what changes PP makes going forward.

chaos0xomega wrote:

As for House Kallyss, they are an army for the Dusk faction. Ret no longer exists, nor does Ios really as all the Iosans bevame eldritch or soulless following the destruction of the Iosan gods.

*mind blown*

When did this happen and can you please elaborate and or please point me to where i vsn read about it?

Deadnight wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

As for House Kallyss, they are an army for the Dusk faction. Ret no longer exists, nor does Ios really as all the Iosans bevame eldritch or soulless following the destruction of the Iosan gods.

*mind blown*

When did this happen and can you please elaborate and or please point me to where i vsn read about it?

It's in the IKRPG stuff. I think Requiem or maybe one of the later ones. But yeah, Scyrrah's dead. Iosans have no gods and are going the Goreshade route.

the elf stuff is in the borderlands and beyond book primarily
requiem was mostly just "strange and spooky things are happening in the elf woods"
now its "they ganked their own gods and now the place is hella cursed"

I'm curious to see where they go with the army given it will have the eldritch almost vampires in command, but with all the living units basically being soulless, so a different path compared to what cryx has usually been

 LunarSol wrote:


You know.... I'm not sure about that. The new "Prime" armies aren't being released at such an aggressive pace that it can really become the standard for a while. Unlimited is going to have to carry the load for a lot longer than something like a TCG rotation there's value in playing around with those Legacy armies. I don't think Unlimited is going to be the predominant tournament format by any means, but I think its pretty clear that Warmachine can't survive on the backs of the tournament crowd alone. It needs that Modern style "play with my old toys" setting specifically because its not competitive and when you burn out on the tournament treadmill its something to fuel the kitchen table crowd that both keeps old players engaged and provides a place for new players to jump in.

Did you miss the part where most Legacy models and units won't be receiving mk4 rules for another 12-18 months? Unlimited can't "carry the load", because PP has set up a phased rollout that seems specifically designed to prevent that from occuring (for what should be onvious reasons). They are heavily incentivizing purchase of the new minis and armies for Prime play by making everyone wait for access to rules for their existing collections. By the time Legacy options are fullh fleshed out, one would assume the Prime playerbase will be substantially larger and more active.

Beyond that, given that the majority of the people with Legacy collections *are* competitive players, I dont see Unlimited gaining any traction as a casual format, not when the miniatures are being discontinued and going out of production permanently. Theres little incentive for new more casual players to pick those models up, and theres little incentive for competitive vets to continue playing with them.

Its also worth noting that PP has a long history of not supporting alternative play formats, in that theyve launched like a dozen of them over the past 20+ years but stopped supporting them all within months. Multiple play formats requires a very large community, as each format essentially splits the playerbase to some extent, and that splinter population nedds to be large enough to be continually active and self-sustaining or it will collapse. PP has never had a big enough community to support and sustain more than one format, even GW struggles with it when it comes to 40k, nor do any other ministures games I am aware of have multiple active play formats. Given PPs track record theres no reason to think they will succeed where they and others have previously failed. Even MtG struggles with some of its play formats and only seems to be able to reliably maintain 2-3 formats at once in active widespread play and thats a significantly larger player community and a game that plays much faster (which allows alternate formats to survive as pallet cleansers in between Standard/Modern games).

 LunarSol wrote:

Deadnight wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

As for House Kallyss, they are an army for the Dusk faction. Ret no longer exists, nor does Ios really as all the Iosans bevame eldritch or soulless following the destruction of the Iosan gods.

*mind blown*

When did this happen and can you please elaborate and or please point me to where i vsn read about it?

It's in the IKRPG stuff. I think Requiem or maybe one of the later ones. But yeah, Scyrrah's dead. Iosans have no gods and are going the Goreshade route.

Damn.... need to catch up on my ikrpg stuff. Never realised they updated it all...

Is it possible to buy the books in the UK?

chaos0xomega wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:


You know.... I'm not sure about that. The new "Prime" armies aren't being released at such an aggressive pace that it can really become the standard for a while. Unlimited is going to have to carry the load for a lot longer than something like a TCG rotation there's value in playing around with those Legacy armies. I don't think Unlimited is going to be the predominant tournament format by any means, but I think its pretty clear that Warmachine can't survive on the backs of the tournament crowd alone. It needs that Modern style "play with my old toys" setting specifically because its not competitive and when you burn out on the tournament treadmill its something to fuel the kitchen table crowd that both keeps old players engaged and provides a place for new players to jump in.

Did you miss the part where most Legacy models and units won't be receiving mk4 rules for another 12-18 months? Unlimited can't "carry the load", because PP has set up a phased rollout that seems specifically designed to prevent that from occuring (for what should be onvious reasons). They are heavily incentivizing purchase of the new minis and armies for Prime play by making everyone wait for access to rules for their existing collections. By the time Legacy options are fullh fleshed out, one would assume the Prime playerbase will be substantially larger and more active.

Beyond that, given that the majority of the people with Legacy collections *are* competitive players, I dont see Unlimited gaining any traction as a casual format, not when the miniatures are being discontinued and going out of production permanently. Theres little incentive for new more casual players to pick those models up, and theres little incentive for competitive vets to continue playing with them.

Its also worth noting that PP has a long history of not supporting alternative play formats, in that theyve launched like a dozen of them over the past 20+ years but stopped supporting them all within months. Multiple play formats requires a very large community, as each format essentially splits the playerbase to some extent, and that splinter population nedds to be large enough to be continually active and self-sustaining or it will collapse. PP has never had a big enough community to support and sustain more than one format, even GW struggles with it when it comes to 40k, nor do any other ministures games I am aware of have multiple active play formats. Given PPs track record theres no reason to think they will succeed where they and others have previously failed. Even MtG struggles with some of its play formats and only seems to be able to reliably maintain 2-3 formats at once in active widespread play and thats a significantly larger player community and a game that plays much faster (which allows alternate formats to survive as pallet cleansers in between Standard/Modern games).

PP has supported alternative formats plenty. They dragged Champions along for years. The Warmachine community has a TERRIBLE history of supporting alternative formats. Every league, casual event, you name it has been met with so much scorn and apathy they just kind of died off. Will that happen with Unlimited? Probably. Do I think the game will ever thrive again if that's the case? Not really. Either the playerbase needs to get over their tournament fetish or the game will die out. I say this as someone ran a thriving tournament scene for years. I love analyzing the meta and figuring out counters and pretty much everything that entails. I got my competitive chops from the fighting game community in the arcade era when you got good or paid up. It can be great, but without a casual well, the competitive playerbase eats itself alive. Warmachine needs Unlimited. It does not need Unlimited tournaments by any means; it just needs the player base to not reject the legacy content entirely to focus on grinding out tournament practice. Support people who don't want to buy new stuff and let them play with what they've got. And yes, its going to be a while before all that stuff gets rules, but that first batch of armies is clearly not all new models. We've seen Exemplar and Banes to start with and these first run armies are going to be how most people play. Not everyone is switching to Cygnar.

Deadnight wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:

Deadnight wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

As for House Kallyss, they are an army for the Dusk faction. Ret no longer exists, nor does Ios really as all the Iosans bevame eldritch or soulless following the destruction of the Iosan gods.

*mind blown*

When did this happen and can you please elaborate and or please point me to where i vsn read about it?

It's in the IKRPG stuff. I think Requiem or maybe one of the later ones. But yeah, Scyrrah's dead. Iosans have no gods and are going the Goreshade route.

Damn.... need to catch up on my ikrpg stuff. Never realised they updated it all...

Is it possible to buy the books in the UK?

They have the Requiem PDFs on DriveThruRPG.

According to Wayland Games the retail sales for Requiem will be in a few days?

Borderlands and Beyond copies only just started getting to backers (I got mine literally today as it happens) so I wouldn't expect those in print retail for a few months.

Their Kickstarter for the Nightmare Empire (Cryx turf) sourcebook just finished and I think they have pledges for late backers eventually.

 Monkeysloth wrote:
For those that want a classic design this is a mini crate model that was also announced today.

might be the 6 month bonus mini, not been confirmed yet.

Looks bonkers good. Where are Minicrate models announced these days? I've been a subscriber for two years and never even gotten a newsletter about what's coming, and the old site just points you to PP:s webstore now.