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Krieg! What a hole...

Land based anti-ship weapons aren't the purview of the Navy

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True.

But show me the Guardsmen with even a rudimentary level of knowledge to know how to prime it, aim it, and fire it.

It’s…almost as if they don’t have that level of knowledge! As if….post-Heresy military jitters ensure….they wouldn’t know their arse from their elbow in that regard, because having unlimited Lasguns is generally a pretty good answer!

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Krieg! What a hole...

What are you on about? They totally can operate void shields and anti-ship weapons.

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Without Techpriest support or the specific training to do so? We're talking about orbital lasers and advanced shield technology, not the basic equipment in a regiment. Your bog standard Joe Lasman isn't going to know how to operate a defence laser battery. An example of this is seen in Storm of Iron, where a Guardsman is specifically walked through how to launch a tactical missile on a radio by a Techpriest hundreds of miles away because he has no idea how to do it.

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Krieg! What a hole...

Techpriests are a common part of a regiment, doubly so if the regiment has any sort of vehicle. They might have dual ties and would likely obey the Mechanicus first, but they're definitely part of a regiment.

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How?

Most Guardsmen (as in the vast majority) know how to use a Lasgun. Which makes it a perfect weapon (I did a thread about that a while back). Simple. Robust. Reliable.

Some (though still vast numbers) are trained to use more potent weapons.

But. Ground to Orbit weapons?

Tell me. What’s the right techno Psalm to appease the machine spirit? What’s the appropriate chant of foe alignment? Can you take a wild stab at the proper incantation of fury?

Oh….what’s that? You can’t? Me neither. But we both know that is how technology is explained to most in 40K.

Back in real world we might be able to figure out the controls. Possibly. Depends how advanced they are, which is antiquarian in the setting. Which button is self destruct, which button is fire?

Think of handing your Great Grandparent a smartphone or tablet, and telling them to use it to plot the next lunar eclipse.

You and I know to Google it. And we can probably get a fairly accurate result in a few seconds. Whereas my experience of Grandparental technological was flipping the TV’s remote control (which they considered a novelty, and I’m not even that old) to it simplified face. To prove I’m not making this up, it was a 1992ish Sony CRT telly.

And, bless their dear departed souls, granny and grandad still-/i] struggled.


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Techpriests are a common part of a regiment, doubly so if the regiment has any sort of vehicle. They might have dual ties and would likely obey the Mechanicus first, but they're definitely part of a regiment.


Congratulations on shifting the goalpost. Sadly you forgot to lift, leading to a cacophonous screeching.

Engineers are [i]assigned
, but remain apart from a Regiment. Again that is entirely different. So first you need to explain exactly how the Techpriest was persuaded to fire on an Astartes vessel, given Astartes are known to be children of the Omnissiah.

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Krieg! What a hole...

Drop the sardonic humor, it's not helping your cause.

I assume some are given training, given it's weapon they'll be tasked to operate in one way or the other, especially as most of Guardsmens were once PDF members, who would likely have such weapons on some planets. And they can always ask the Priest for additional help. They don't need to be perfectly accurate with it, as seen in the Siege of Vraks, planet born anti-ship weapons are deterrent enough to prevent Marines from dropping right on target.

There's no need to explain it to the Tech-Priest. The Marines are hostile, we established that in the thread already, blow them to pieces. Or just turn on the Void Shield.

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 TheBestBucketHead wrote:
If we assume the single Astartes has an entire ship of support, I think we can assume 10k Guardsmen have anti naval defenses.


Most PLANETS don't have anti-naval batteries. Think about it. Most planets biggest threat is raiders, either chaos or Dark Eldar variety. That is because anti-naval defense is just having a bigger patroling fleet than the other guys. With the exception of the Necron planets, there isn't even a ground based weapon that could effectively reach or target a naval ship. Even leviathan Nova cannons would be useless. And those are more rare than Emperors these days. The strongest weapon in the entire IG arsenel, the Shadow Sword cannon, which is essentially just a heavy laser destroyer from a titan, can't reach the ships in outer space. Think about Cadia. Why didn't Cadia shoot down all the ships blockading the planet? Because they didn't have the capability. They needed the Navy to do it. Which they literally couldn't until Phalynx showed up.
   
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Krieg! What a hole...

Vraks had plenty of defenses, which prevented a direct assault on the fortress from space. Laser silos are repeatedly mentioned, making any fleet unable to stay above the fortress itself. The rest of the planet was open, but direct space-to-land strikes were impossible.

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Vraks was an important planet that needed to have a huge array of defences in order to prevent its massive supplies of weapons and equipment from being taken by force. Even before Xaphan started his own fortification projects the fortress capital on Vraks Prime was a monster of a citadel.
Most planets are not Vraks Prime. They will be lucky to have AA defences.
You've taken this from Guardsmen vs Marines to Guardsmen in an impenetrable citadel with all the logistical support they could possibly need vs a Marine with an escort ship. You also keep making assumptions about whether things *might* be.

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Krieg! What a hole...

And people haven't when it comes to the Space Marine? He has a ship with him, automatically knows where the command posts are, has no issues being recovered after his pod drop.

Giving the Marine a ship is a huge skewer in the balance, so it's only normal the Guard gets the same.

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Yeah I don't think one can make the assumption that Guardsmen and their organizations are just dumb. That doesn't track with much of the lore. And I'm all for Guardsmen being able to man and operate anti-landing batteries and equipment, the thing is it's basically the primary role of Space Marines to successfully assault and capture those sorts of positions.

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 Bobthehero wrote:
Drop the sardonic humor, it's not helping your cause.

I assume some are given training, given it's weapon they'll be tasked to operate in one way or the other, especially as most of Guardsmens were once PDF members, who would likely have such weapons on some planets. And they can always ask the Priest for additional help. They don't need to be perfectly accurate with it, as seen in the Siege of Vraks, planet born anti-ship weapons are deterrent enough to prevent Marines from dropping right on target.

There's no need to explain it to the Tech-Priest. The Marines are hostile, we established that in the thread already, blow them to pieces. Or just turn on the Void Shield.


No assumption to support your case. Couch it in established background or admit you’re wrong.

The Imperial Guard, as part of the wider Imperial War Machine are limited by design. Given the combat life expectancy is super low? And they’re super rarely deployed to their own world? Why train them to use whatever planetary defences might happen to exist on a given world? That’s…..a waste investment.

As for “jUsT tElL tEh EnGiNsEeR”….that’s not how the structure works. At all. And there’s every chance, given the bizarre and labyrinthine hierarchy of the Adeptus Mechanicus even they wouldn’t know what to do - because they’re attached to the regiment to keep fairly (well, I suppose comparatively) basic war machines ticking.

Consider this. Take an Enginseer, and ask them to make an Ordinatus Minoris to do its thing. And they won’t have a clue. Because that’s not how the Ad Mech operate. Or…see that wrecked Titan over there? Go make it work.

It’s like asking an Office Junior to sit and answer questions of a Parliamentary Select Comittee. Sure they can read and write, and have a very specific degree in say….economics. But the questions being asked might require super duper hyper specialised knowledge one gains through experience, because it’s so super duper hyper specialised it’s really not worth a course unto itself.


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Krieg! What a hole...

Given PDF man orbital lasers, as part of defending their worlds, it's not impossible for Guardsmen to have the know-how, since the IG regiments are drawn from the PDF or just having Guardsmen on garrison duty being familiar with the weapon.


That still leaves the Void Shield as a viable mean to prevent Orbital Strikes, and that seems much simpler to operate, having just a shield activate and work.

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 Bobthehero wrote:
Given PDF man orbital lasers, as part of defending their worlds, it's not impossible for Guardsmen to have the know-how, since the IG regiments are drawn from the PDF or just having Guardsmen on garrison duty being familiar with the weapon.


That still leaves the Void Shield as a viable mean to prevent Orbital Strikes, and that seems much simpler to operate, having just a shield activate and work.


Again. Compartment military.

A member of the PDF might be trained, and indeed solely specialise in, manning ground to orbit weapons. By no means or evidence is every PDF member suitably trained. And given it’s not their purview, at all? Explain how a Guard Regiment would include that.

Not to mention it’s almost certainly a coterie of Tech Priests, already on planet, possibly specifically educated, that makes the big guns go pewpew.


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Void shields are….kind of good. Rather than absorbing impacts, they shunt the energy into the warp.

The shield itself doesn’t decay as say, Star Trek shields do. That much is true.

Rather, they collapse because the safety cut outs of the generators kick in. Let it cool off, and the shield can be restored.

Land based battle? Not foolproof, as concertised fire can do the damage once that bubble pops. But it’s still hard work.

But.

Ground based installation, vs geosynchronous based firepower? Relentless firepower because you’ve no way to drive them off? Even if the shield generator survives? Likely Bugger all left worth protecting,

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Because a Guard regiment is made out of PDF members, and if someone decides it's time for those who were tasked on the Laser silo to serve the Emperor somewhere, then off they go, replaced by new ones.

You can have much larger generators planet side, to make a bombardment worthless, redundant generators to maintain the field up to force a ground force to engage.

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Ok, so now the argument is, and correct me if I'm wrong, but the entire Imperial Guard organized into planetary strike force, vs the Imperial Navy? Why don't we just ask how that worked for Cadia? Or any world that the Navy has ever literally turned to rock and dust? Because it's so far from even being a contest as to be silly. There is NO WEAPON IN THE ENTIRE IG ARSENEL THAT IS CAPABLE OF ENGAGING THE NAVY IN ORBIT. You could take the Air-defense batteries of a million worlds, and it still wouldn't stop a naval Virus Bomb, or a volley of 2 stage cyclonic Torpedoes.

A single space Marine can call on the navy to do it's bidding. They each carry the weight of their entire chapter's authority. Sort of like how a Custodian speaks with the authority of the Emperor. Even 100,000 guard soldiers cannot order anyone to do anything, except by becoming heretics.

This is the silliness of the entire argument.

Yes, a lone Space marine can kill 10,000 guard soldiers, because all he has to do is vox the Battlebarge in orbit. He doesn't even have to draw his weapon. He just sends the coordinates of the troops, and calls down the fire. If you are asking something dumb like, can a single marine fight hand to hand 10,000 guard troops, then no.

A Single warhound can't take on 10,000 guard either, but again, it doesn't have to. It has the fervent fanatical religious fury of the ENTIRE ADMECH behind it.
   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 Bobthehero wrote:
Given PDF man orbital lasers, as part of defending their worlds, it's not impossible for Guardsmen to have the know-how, since the IG regiments are drawn from the PDF or just having Guardsmen on garrison duty being familiar with the weapon.


That still leaves the Void Shield as a viable mean to prevent Orbital Strikes, and that seems much simpler to operate, having just a shield activate and work.


Again. Compartment military.

A member of the PDF might be trained, and indeed solely specialise in, manning ground to orbit weapons. By no means or evidence is every PDF member suitably trained. And given it’s not their purview, at all? Explain how a Guard Regiment would include that.

Not to mention it’s almost certainly a coterie of Tech Priests, already on planet, possibly specifically educated, that makes the big guns go pewpew.
Well this is definitely not comparing oranges to oranges.

If we're assuming it's 100 Space Marines *And all that entails*, then the Guardsmen are ALSO their respective million *and all that entails*, which should be including specialized engineer regiments, tech priests, etc. In addition to the ten thousand pieces of armor or whatever.

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 Bobthehero wrote:
Because a Guard regiment is made out of PDF members, and if someone decides it's time for those who were tasked on the Laser silo to serve the Emperor somewhere, then off they go, replaced by new ones.

You can have much larger generators planet side, to make a bombardment worthless, redundant generators to maintain the field up to force a ground force to engage.


Mate you’re grasping at straws. And, in defiance of 40k’s admittedly……shall we call it fluid? I feel fluid is a good word…lore, yet to present a single canonical example of a Guardsman having the know-how to prime, aim and fire a planetary defence weapon.

And I think you’ll struggle to find such.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m perfectly happy to be disproven - and I’m not saying there is no such example. But right now, you are carrying the burden of proof.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 Bobthehero wrote:
Given PDF man orbital lasers, as part of defending their worlds, it's not impossible for Guardsmen to have the know-how, since the IG regiments are drawn from the PDF or just having Guardsmen on garrison duty being familiar with the weapon.


That still leaves the Void Shield as a viable mean to prevent Orbital Strikes, and that seems much simpler to operate, having just a shield activate and work.


Again. Compartment military.

A member of the PDF might be trained, and indeed solely specialise in, manning ground to orbit weapons. By no means or evidence is every PDF member suitably trained. And given it’s not their purview, at all? Explain how a Guard Regiment would include that.


Not to mention it’s almost certainly a coterie of Tech Priests, already on planet, possibly specifically educated, that makes the big guns go pewpew.
Well this is definitely not comparing oranges to oranges.

If we're assuming it's 100 Space Marines *And all that entails*, then the Guardsmen are ALSO their respective million *and all that entails*, which should be including specialized engineer regiments, tech priests, etc. In addition to the ten thousand pieces of armor or whatever.


I….didn’t up those numbers. The premise of the thread is “can one Space Marine take 10,000 Guardsmen”.

The simple answer is…yes. Yes they can. Becuase by this admittedly “gone a bit too far, but it’s still established in-universe canon”, a single Space Marine can find himself in overall command of a Gladius escort ship. A ship more than half the size (for reference purposes only) of a Super Star Destroyer. And the Imperial Guard having precisely dick all resources to hand to do a single bloody thing about the incoming orbital bombardment.

So far all the counter points have been “nuh-uh”. And I’ve addressed them with further canonical (so much as it exists in 40K) references to show that…actually….yeah.

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Not spicy. Passionate.

I’m well into my background, and I enjoy discussing and debating it.

I don’t think I’ve attacked a poster in place of attacking their stance. And as stated, I’m perfectly happy to learn more by citation of 40k’s fluid and mutable canon.

All I ask is that the source is something GW published.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

And I think you’ll struggle to find such.


It's unlikely I will because it's quite rare they're mentioned at all in the lore, but at no point are they mentioned to be overly complicated or impossible to figure out. The Vraks force used them in their book, after all, with little to no mention of any Mechanicus support. Whether those were Guardsmen turned traitors or local trained PDF, is unknown, but imo, the option is there. Or just fall back to Void Shield and make the Gladius unable to do much. Either way, there exists ways for the Guard to be protected against space assault, and as such, giving the Marine a ship is not an automatic way guarantee he'll kill the Guardsmen by sitting on his ship.

Though I'll mention the Gladius is also described as being poor for planetery assaults, so the Marine would likely have to requisition a bigger ship

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 Bobthehero wrote:
Given PDF man orbital lasers, as part of defending their worlds, it's not impossible for Guardsmen to have the know-how, since the IG regiments are drawn from the PDF or just having Guardsmen on garrison duty being familiar with the weapon.


That still leaves the Void Shield as a viable mean to prevent Orbital Strikes, and that seems much simpler to operate, having just a shield activate and work.


Again. Compartment military.

A member of the PDF might be trained, and indeed solely specialise in, manning ground to orbit weapons. By no means or evidence is every PDF member suitably trained. And given it’s not their purview, at all? Explain how a Guard Regiment would include that.


Not to mention it’s almost certainly a coterie of Tech Priests, already on planet, possibly specifically educated, that makes the big guns go pewpew.
Well this is definitely not comparing oranges to oranges.

If we're assuming it's 100 Space Marines *And all that entails*, then the Guardsmen are ALSO their respective million *and all that entails*, which should be including specialized engineer regiments, tech priests, etc. In addition to the ten thousand pieces of armor or whatever.


I….didn’t up those numbers. The premise of the thread is “can one Space Marine take 10,000 Guardsmen”.

The simple answer is…yes. Yes they can. Becuase by this admittedly “gone a bit too far, but it’s still established in-universe canon”, a single Space Marine can find himself in overall command of a Gladius escort ship. A ship more than half the size (for reference purposes only) of a Super Star Destroyer. And the Imperial Guard having precisely dick all resources to hand to do a single bloody thing about the incoming orbital bombardment.

So far all the counter points have been “nuh-uh”. And I’ve addressed them with further canonical (so much as it exists in 40K) references to show that…actually….yeah.
I'm with you on "Strike Cruiser" is major trump card. I'm definitely not with you on "Guardsmen are dumb".

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Errmm....isn't 1 space marine with an interplanetary warship vs 10,000 Guardsmen sliigghhhtly different from One space marine vs 10,000 Guardsmen?
   
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 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Errmm....isn't 1 space marine with an interplanetary warship vs 10,000 Guardsmen sliigghhhtly different from One space marine vs 10,000 Guardsmen?
Quite.

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40k ship sizes might have been embiggened a bit over the years. The Cobra class destroyer was 800m long. With the Lunar class cruiser was 3.2km long. That was when the BFG was new. The Gladius is a Frigate so the size would be between 800m and 3200m. Most likely around 1000m.

But that would still make it 1 Space Marine + lots of chapter serfs and techpriests (or techmarines aka more marines) vs 10,000 guardsman.

If we include command abilities well the head of the IG is sometimes one of the High Lords of Terra.
   
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When the question is One Space Marine versus Ten Thousand Guardsmen, we can't really add Thousands of Void Based Workers to one side, plus a ship that is not standard issue to singular Space Marines, but not give the Imperial Guard any Anti Naval, Ground to Space defenses.

It would be like asking the same question, but giving the Imperial Guard a single Baneblade per person, and slotting the rest of the crew with PDF, and using workers as spotters and scouts, and then giving the Marine a Bolter and knife.

Sure, it's possible, and might happen, but I think we all understand that it's inherently going against the spirit of the question.

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I mean people started giving the Guard tanks and artillery.
The original question was just Guardsmen and a Space Marine so I would argue that saying the Guardsmen should have got non-Guardsmen goes against the spirit no?
It's not like anything new has come up in this discussion anyway and the only real answer was covered on the first reply.

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It's expanded because 10000 is a lot. So the expanded version is "If the comparison is not a purely linear troop vs. troop, and rather within the context of 'assets in theatre', is 1 v 10000 attainable.

It's the discussion which squares the circle of "If 10 Guardsmen can gun down a Space Marine, how are 1000 chapters of 1000 Marines capable of doing anything?"

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