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Dont Orks have power fists or some ranged str 8 weapons?? or melta bombs or something similar?? Would that not atleast be able to glance the monolith?? I dont know the rules for monoliths so unless they ignore glancing hits they can be destroyed. Orks and dark eldar can still Rhino rush and thats there strongpoint. they are assualt armies especially the orks as thats what they specialise in, they dont specialise in shooting and therefore have crap BS. and no Str 9 weapons.

Not to sure about the zzzap gun does its strenghth not equal 2D6. If thats the case could it not be a possible str12?

Beef fyi you can't add the extra dice when attacking a monolith.

Posted By beef on 07/07/2006 11:42 AM
Dont Orks have power fists or some ranged str 8 weapons?? or melta bombs or something similar?? Would that not atleast be able to glance the monolith?? I dont know the rules for monoliths so unless they ignore glancing hits they can be destroyed. Orks and dark eldar can still Rhino rush and thats there strongpoint. they are assualt armies especially the orks as thats what they specialise in, they dont specialise in shooting and therefore have crap BS. and no Str 9 weapons.

Not to sure about the zzzap gun does its strenghth not equal 2D6. If thats the case could it not be a possible str12?

Orks can glance the Monlolith with Rokkits. Due to BS2, their chances of successfully disabling a monolith is given by: 1/3x1/6x1/6 or 1/108. Powerklaws have a 1/6x1/6x1/6 chance of disabling a monolith or 1/216.

As for the Zzzaap Gun, here are the chances of getting various strengths:

S12+ - 1/36
S11+ - 1/12
S10+ - 1/6
S09+ - 5/18
S08+ - 5/12

Having S9 effectively more than doubles the chances of disabling a monolith / shot. The grot crewed teams of Zzzaap guns = instant death on the first flux arc shots after deepstriking. (Average 3.5 shots, wound on 2s no save.)

The trouble with DE/Ork rushes is that if you are moving fast and you get shucked out of your vehicle, you're taking 3/4 wounds and are entangled. If you are not moving and shucked out of your vehicle, you are entangled. Target saturation doesn't help much when the Flux Arc smites EVERYTHING in range. Anyhow. Defeating monoliths with Orks and DE belongs more in tactics. The statistics will show however, that the monolith has little to fear from Orks, and competent players have little to fear from DE either, since the assaults / haywire rush can be easily blocked with warriors.  Therefore, shooting the big brick is really the only option if you need it dead... (and when deepstriking, llow save armies usually need it dead!)

Just pick it up and throw the monolith of the table and say it was the special power "hand of Mork"

Getting banned from the store is an inefficient style of play.

 

Detractors will advise these armies to ignore the Monolith, but with the prevalance of deepstrike in the new ruleset, and the pitiful armour saves of the Eldar, DE and Orks, ignoring it is not really an option.

Detractors would be right, kill the necrons!  Couldn't be easier unless they have two monoliths when it can be easier.  A third of the army not contributing to phase out.  Lovely!

Posted By the cabbage on 07/10/2006 3:44 AM
Detractors would be right, kill the necrons!  Couldn't be easier unless they have two monoliths when it can be easier.  A third of the army not contributing to phase out.  Lovely!

That's a fantastic tactic. I'll just ignore these two bricks that are dealing D6 attacks against everything in range, dropping warriors into play, teleporting stuff out of HTH and giving them 2x WBB rolls. Easy as pie. In 1850, I'll only need to kill 42 necrons to force phaseout - but what's this?!?? The willy Necron player has kept 20 warriors attached to his lord with veil of darkness and they're all the way back in his deployment zone out of sight? Fancy that! Have you tried winning against Dual-lith Necrons with DE?

Have you tried winning with demon hunters against blood angels? You don't know the meaning on pain.

Chuck

what the strength 6 I5 type?? Yeah they beet Ba reasonably well.

Beef:

In my neck of the woods, having S6 I5 is pretty much worthless since they'll never get to use said HTH prowress and because GW overvalues strength on weapons.  Swinging first, 10x GK will do 2x10x1/2x5/6x1/3 = 25/9 casualties (or 25/18 vs DC) - if the GK are charging  Of course, anyone who's played GK knows that GK will almost NEVER get the charge because their primary methods of mobility, be it a rhino, deepstrike or on foot are not condusive to charging.  As well, there is the points disparity to consider.  Against BA, you can be expected to be outnumbered between 3:2 or even 2:1.

I fear I must bow to your tactical prowress, since this poor sod can't figue out how you do it.

I see your your point. I guess GK are great against Demon armies or chaos but maybe not mobile enough against jumpack infantry. Usually when I get beet by GK its cos they keep advancing and shooting with ather assualt 2 weapons etc. and when thy get into combat even if charged byBA they strike at the same time but they hit harder needing 2's to wound as opposed to the BA on a charge of 3's. I guess GK are a reay specialist force that has its advantages in some senario's.