Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Sekai wrote:I would like to suggest that this all be consolidated into a new thread with just evidence being provided, to let people make their own decisions on what is going down.

And what exactly is going on? Its a witch hunt. Have I done anything wrong? No. Do I have any bad feedback or trades? No. Have I proven for almost 6 straight months that I ship fast, sell real stuff and do everything Bonder never did based on what ive read in this thread?

This is a simple everyone mob up action. Hey look over there, its Bonder! No, wait, hes over there!

You people can all just leave me alone.

Lord.Serpius wrote:

Ketara wrote:What would his motive be though?


I mean, why would Matt call RiTides today? What could he have against Susan?

I'm convinced.

Clearly after he saw that guy found his link, he was worried people would say hes selling stuff via his blog. So he removed it. A nice by product of it was me. He has a perfect scape goat. And 99% of you are walking right into it. I said I was going to go call on here, the went to call. Left a voicemail and everything. He knew when to call. Maybe he likes screwing with RiTides, maybe hes straight trying to frame me. What I do know is my area code doesnt even start with 214, nor are my first numbers even close to those.

I know where I called from. You can only assume. And that's something you all do way to much. Only MajorTom and a few others are rational enough to see whats going on and not just have a mob mentality going.

Witchhunt. Clear cut.

To be honest, we're beyond mob mentality stage here. Until this latest revelation, i personally would have given it 50/50 on you being him. Not enough to jump in on.

With the addition of the phone number? If I walk in a room and see you standing over the body with gun, I may not know beyond all doubt you killed the person at your feet. But its going to take some fast talking, and a lot of evidence to convince me otherwise.

I would now put the odds at 95/5 at you being Matt or someone involved with him. That's enough that I would not risk buying from you.

RiTides wrote:So you think he just happened to call 5 minutes before you did, Lord.Serpius?

Isn't it more likely that Susan, however she is connected to Matt, didn't make the number private the first time she called, then they got it right and called back 5 minutes later to leave the message?

If I had done that I wouldnt have called back.

The end.

Just out of interest RiTides, how would Matt have known your number anyway? Have you ever given it to him in the past?

If this is the first call you've ever had from him, and never gave him your number, that would also be fairly conclusive.

This just keeps getting weirder and weirder!

Something that I thought I'd add: "Susan" states that her perfect feedback is proof she's not a scammer. RSO had perfect feedback as well in his short tenure on ebay, except at the very last.

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=redstarone222&ftab=AllFeedback&seeallfeedback=See%20All%20Feedback&myworld=true

I've never given Matt my number- I have, however, given it to MiniatureWargameCo@gmail.com and received calls from "Jeff" and "Damien". So perhaps this adds more proof to that case, if not the other .

But the evidence speaks for itself now...

Ketara wrote:Just out of interest RiTides, how would Matt have known your number anyway? Have you ever given it to him in the past?

If this is the first call you've ever had from him, and never gave him your number, that would also be fairly conclusive.

He said in this very thread that he has voicemails from Bonder so I would assume yes he has. And knowing that, IF I was Matt or knew him, why in the hell would I call from his number?

My god you people have fallen for his games hook line and sinker.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

RiTides wrote:I've never given Matt my number- I have, however, given it to MiniatureWargameCo@gmail.com and received calls from "Jeff" and "Damien". So perhaps this adds more proof to that case, if not the other .

But the evidence speaks for itself now...

My mistake then. If anything that simply proves Bonder talks to those people or he is those people. That does not prove anything to do with me.

Regarding how much proof is enough, as was said before this is a case of public opinion, and therefore we each get to decide how much proof is enough. This is not a criminal case (at least not on dakka) and does not require nullifying reasonable doubt, unless that is your personal standard and if so I'd like to point out that civil courts don't even require that much evidence to make a ruling. They just require a preponderance, and for me this passed that threshold long ago.

Also, some people have gone from vilifying those who were skeptical of the issue to now showing remorse for possibly being deceived. I don't think anyone should feel bad for having expressed an opinion from one side of the issue or the other. That is everyone's right and nobody need apologize for that.

You didn't answer the question, though- you think it's just a coincidence that I got a call from the unblocked number 5 minutes before the private one? What are the chances of that, if the two were truly unrelated?

Lord.Serpius wrote:

RiTides wrote:I've never given Matt my number- I have, however, given it to MiniatureWargameCo@gmail.com and received calls from "Jeff" and "Damien". So perhaps this adds more proof to that case, if not the other .

But the evidence speaks for itself now...

My mistake then. If anything that simply proves Bonder talks to those people or he is those people. That does not prove anything to do with me.

Fair enough. I can agree that it does not conclusive prove anything.

However, hopefully, the fact RiTides is quite happy to come clean on things like that should help show you that he's not actually just out to damn you as Matt by any means possible (presuming on that 5% chance you're not him/involved with him).

Ketara wrote:To be honest, we're beyond mob mentality stage here. Until this latest revelation, I personally would have given it 50/50 on you being him. Not enough to jump in on.

With the addition of the phone number? If I walk in a room and see you standing over the body with gun, I may not know beyond all doubt you killed the person at your feet. But its going to take some fast talking, and a lot of evidence to convince me otherwise.

I would now put the odds at 95/5 at you being Matt or someone involved with him. That's enough that I would not risk buying from you.

This sums up my sentiments as well. The confrontational style of posting doesn’t help her case either.

RiTides wrote:You didn't answer the question, though- you think it's just a coincidence that I got a call from the unblocked number 5 minutes before the private one? What are the chances of that, if the two were truly unrelated?

If I hadnt posted saying I was going to go call you when I did , very slim to pretty much impossible.

Me posting saying what I was going to do in a thread that Bonder is known to read daily, with a perfect chance to screw with RiTides, seems very likely. And since I know what number I called from, I say its what happened.

Believe whatever you want. You had made your mind up before even seeing all the pictures and voicemail you asked for.

So you both call me at 3:45, give or take 5 minutes, when I hadn't posted in the thread for a few hours?

RiTides wrote:So you both call me at 3:45, give or take 5 minutes, when I hadn't posted in the thread for a few hours?

I called you around 4pm but thats not the point. I know what number I called from and its not even a 214 number.

Lord.Serpius wrote:

If I hadnt posted saying I was going to go call you when I did , very slim to pretty much impossible.

Me posting saying what I was going to do in a thread that Bonder is known to read daily, with a perfect chance to screw with RiTides, seems very likely. And since I know what number I called from, I say its what happened..

It's possible. Incredibly unlikely, but possible.

But that really does make me question the supposed motive of Matt here then. Why would he be going all out to frame a person he was previously advertising? There's no gain for Matt here. None whatsoever. Framing people 'for the  lulz? Really? I'm sure he has more babies to steal candy from or whatever he does to use his time productively.

That, to me, is my personal clincher, now that I think it through.

Odds just went down to 99/1.

As I said, I don't want to keep going on about it- I think the evidence speaks for itself now...

What if we have her call again, right this instant?

haendas wrote:Regarding how much proof is enough, as was said before, this is a case of public opinion, and therefore we each get to decide how much proof is enough. This is not a criminal case (at least not on dakka) and does not require nullifying reasonable doubt, unless that is your personal standard and if so I'd like to point out that civil courts don't even require that much evidence to make a ruling. They just require a preponderance, and for me this passed that threshold long ago.

Also, some people have gone from vilifying those who were skeptical of the issue to now showing remorse for possibly being deceived. I don't think anyone should feel bad for having expressed an opinion from one side of the issue or the other. That is everyone's right and nobody need apologize for that.

Well said. I used to defend RSO before he started doing to me what he'd done to people before me. Hell, if i didn't know
what i do, i'd be defending her as best as i could. it's our nature to help the underdog.

LunaHound wrote:What if we have her call again, right this instant?

Wouldn't change things. There's no way to conclusively prove that the numbers(even if the RiTides is contacted by a number that isn't listed as Private the next time) aren't connected since there's no way to guarantee that it's the same number that was called from the first/last time due to it being listed as Private.

Not that I'm convinced either way for either side, plus this has gone on more than long enough.

Also, not saying that L.S IS Matt, but Matt too DID have a problem about saying he was done with a thread yet still came back every time there was a response.

It's nothing to do with rooting for the underdog.

If we don't assure that our accusations are 100% ironclad, then we let 1 weak argument undermine all of them. We must ensure that we do not undermine our own position.

We must also make sure, whether it is the case in this specific instance or not, to NEVER hang somebody on Bonder's account unless we are standing on very, very solid ground.

Do we have a 100% ironclad case that proves any of this, no.

But there is more enough proof to convince me that Susan and Matt are in this together at best, and that Matt is misusing Susan's identity at worst. If anyone were to ask me I would highly recommend that anybody stay away from doing any business with her.

Edit: By this I mean that I would not go on a crusade to make sure that nobody ever buys anything from her. I would not go out of my way to stop her business or blacklist her. But I would never buy from her, and if anybody would ask me I would give a strong "stay away from this" recommendation.

MajorTom11 wrote:It's nothing to do with rooting for the underdog.

If we don't assure that our accusations are 100% ironclad, then we let 1 weak argument undermine all of them. We must ensure that we do not undermine our own position.

We must also make sure, whether it is the case in this specific instance or not, to NEVER hang somebody on Bonder's account unless we are standing on very, very solid ground.

I'm not sure if we need ironclad information or not because that would depend on the overall intention. Are we sharing information so that people can formulate an opinion or are we gathering information for a possible legal action? This is a sincere question because at various times in this thread both have been mentioned.

haendas wrote:

MajorTom11 wrote:It's nothing to do with rooting for the underdog.

If we don't assure that our accusations are 100% ironclad, then we let 1 weak argument undermine all of them. We must ensure that we do not undermine our own position.

We must also make sure, whether it is the case in this specific instance or not, to NEVER hang somebody on Bonder's account unless we are standing on very, very solid ground.

I'm not sure if we need ironclad information or not because that would depend on the overall intention. Are we sharing information so that people can formulate an opinion or are we gathering information for a possible legal action? This is a sincere question because at various times in this thread both have been mentioned.

I would hope at least we can warn others to avoid him and his web. That was what i got from the goal of the thread.

Agreed that that's the goal, alarmingrick- people can certainly discuss legal/law enforcement/other possibilities, but the goal of the thread was just to make people aware that he was still operating and selling things, behind other names (first Miniature Wargame Conversions, now seemingly Susan Beasley and these ebay accounts, which I've edited into the OP due to the possible, and seemingly 99% certain, connection).

The purpose of this thread from what I gather is for us to collate facts and form our own opinions, not build a formal case of sorts and that’s exactly what RiTides is doing. He’s collated the evidence but ultimately it’s up to the individual to form their own opinion on Susan.

LunaHound wrote:What if we have her call again, right this instant?

And that about sums up this thread at this point.

"We" do not decide when and if a person makes a call, like a cat playing with an injured mouse. This has all got pretty disgusting to me.

Whether Lord.S/Susan is Matt/MWC doesn't matter, Dakka really shouldn't be a forum for this sort of vindictive behaviour from its general membership certainly when no proof is offered. Surely we expect better?

Someone said that this isn't mob mentality, correct its more like a seige mentality.

To those that are fueling this you are either feeding the biggest troll out there or tourturing an innocent Lady. The possibility of doing the latter should make you damn sure you are right about the former. Having a feeling, coincidence or picking out phrases in common usage isn't evidence and nothing definite has been presented here. There's a reason why we have reasonable doubt in court and there no reason it shouldn't exist here.

Poor show Dakka.

MODs please close this travasty.

Reasonable doubt is different to everybody. Everyone looks at a given piece of evidence differently. That's why we get things like hung juries and OJ not guilty.

I see nothing wrong with telling the community that x and y sites are affiliated with a known thief. The OP has put in a lot of time and effort and I applaude him for it. I applaude Dakka for having the balls to keep a thread like this open.

I think this thread may have run its' course at this point. However, notprop, did you see this post? I linked to it in the OP now for those who don't want to wade through the entire thread. Susan / Lord.Serpius called me from Matt's phone... that's pretty convincing evidence that they know one another, as far as I'm concerned, and that it's extremely likely Matt is the one posting here.

However, now that the evidence is out there, people can make up their own minds about it, and there may not really be a need for the thread to stay open further.

RiTides wrote:Here's the edited pic, let me know if I need to somehow remove other things Cyporiean:



And alarmingrick's edited PM:

alarmingrick wrote:Steve,
Here's this:
Matt Bonder
Edited out
Dallas, tx. Edited out

(214)864-XXXX

I used to have the stepdad's #. If i run across it, i'll send it as well.

Rick

I think that's pretty airtight proof... but again, let's continue to keep posts focused on the facts so that this can move constructively forward, and not bandwagon on here or anything.

All true but for the last bit. This thread had ceased to forfill its original intention and has become about a woman in Dallas rather than a Website to be wary of.

A woman who has access to Matthew Bonder's phone, though... I just want the record to be straight about that... this isn't a smear campaign, Lord.Serpius volunteered to provide information and that has linked them (Susan) to Matthew Bonder, and I believe it's Matthew who was posting here... and also who is selling those Forgeworld bits on ebay via the Lord.Serpius, Double.Your.Bits, and Great.Hobby.Bits accounts.

But I do agree with you that the thread may no longer need to be open- just not that this is vindictive or that there is no proof. The above is pretty solid proof, if there ever was any!