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questions pretty much in the title , My question is simple should they also make a version of the warhound / reaver titans or bio titan etc etc. obviously forge world would continue to make their version. Much like FW is making a knight.

However GW could produce a simpler and obviously cheaper version.

I ask because just looking at the unreal forge world prices makes my head spin and I've got to think that GW has an untapped market of people who want to own something like this but cant or wont pay $500.00-$1000.00.

I wonder if the knight titan will be enough of a success to push them to do it. ( I know they have sold well in my area)

No. I don't think its necessary.

The people that really want those large super-heavies will pay the price for them, Or scratch build their own.

But GW would never actually make the move to produce a plastic version of a model already made by Forge World. Not only would they have two versions of the same model competing against each other, but now they have additional development costs of a second kit.

Ralis wrote:

But GW would never actually make the move to produce a plastic version of a model already made by Forge World. Not only would they have two versions of the same model competing against each other, but now they have additional development costs of a second kit.

They do that right now with two marks of Rhinos, Whirl Winds, various marks of armor, and legion specific dreadnoughts.

But will GW make plastic Warhound titans, Thunderhawks, etc?

Doubtful.

Should GW make a plastic-
Thunderhawk, yes.
Nid Gargantuan creature between the Heirodule and Heirophant, yes.
Eldar heavy grav tank between Lynx size and Scorpion size? Yes

Warhound/Reaver titan? No.

No, because they'd find a way to force it into 1,000 point games.

 MWHistorian wrote:
No, because they'd find a way to force it into 1,000 point games.

Yeah, GW produced the Baneblade kit (which is a great kit mind you), but must have felt it wasn't selling fast enough and introduced the Escalation rules to shoehorn it into all games. Now, is it the most overpowered superheavy around? No, but the power level between a Baneblade and a Warhound is quite significant.

All introducing a Warhound in a plastic version (which would still retail over $350 most likely) is dilute all other options that much more.

What I *really* wish GW would do is restart Epic. Their production quality has increased significantly, and their desire to flesh out Imperial Knights again could be manifested well in a game where such massive units are better represented.

 kronk wrote:

Ralis wrote:

But GW would never actually make the move to produce a plastic version of a model already made by Forge World. Not only would they have two versions of the same model competing against each other, but now they have additional development costs of a second kit.

They do that right now with two marks of Rhinos, Whirl Winds, various marks of armor, and legion specific dreadnoughts.

But will GW make plastic Warhound titans, Thunderhawks, etc?

Doubtful.

They go GW ---> FW alternative

But won't go FW ---> GW replacement since the Trygon if I remember right.

Fair point. The last example of FW ---> GW was the Hydra, though.

There was a FW kit for years. The GW release came out with AM this year.

I have never seen anyone actually buying a Titan. All of the ones I saw were scratch-built. Understandably so.

I'd be all for it however they should do it well. Full articulation like the Dreamforge leviathans... something GW hasn't seemed keen on given the static posing of a lot of their stuff lately. I seriously doubt they will though.

No, leave it to forgeworld, they handle most of the super hevey stuff and do it we'll + can you do plastic to that scale?

Though a forgeworld model of bigger titans at be interesting if not insanely expensive

Ralis wrote:

But GW would never actually make the move to produce a plastic version of a model already made by Forge World. Not only would they have two versions of the same model competing against each other, but now they have additional development costs of a second kit.

Would never? You do know that FW use to make a Trygon? GW now makes a plastic Trygon. So I guess your statement is wrong.

Titans for the Warhammer 40k scale? Nope. Stupid, stupid idea... think of the difficulty transporting, the cost, and the fact that it's basically candy to the jolly old powergamers. 40k was never intended for that scale.

How about we bring back Epic, so that everyone can play around with Titans and large forces of guys in a logical way that makes sense, isn't a waste of time, and is actually fun and transportable? I loved Epic, back in the day before GW was filled with a den of scumbags.

jhe90 wrote:
No, leave it to forgeworld, they handle most of the super hevey stuff and do it we'll + can you do plastic to that scale?

Though a forgeworld model of bigger titans at be interesting if not insanely expensive

sadly for most they are already insanely expensive a reaver titan with option comes in at close to $1000.00 US. My wife might put me in the hospital with that kinda cash spent on one model.

Though I did ask my FLGS what my account was up to today and they said i've spent $6,148.00 so0o0o0o lets hope she never finds that one out haha , hell that doesn't even include E-bay purchases.

All n all I would be happy if they did it and I would likely buy one if the prices were brought in line.

 MWHistorian wrote:
No, because they'd find a way to force it into 1,000 point games.

Little late for that

Absolutely they should.




Along with the rest of the Epic range.

Yes, yes, a thousand times yes. I'd love to get my DE Titan in plastic (preferably in affordable plastic).

I'd drop $250 in a heartbeat for a plastic Thunderhawk.

Why, a massive meter tall model should cost so much money, it'd be asinine. I mean, we already pay $85 for 6.5"~ Riptides and $115 for 9" tall Wraithknights. Even a Revenant Titan is $300+ and 12~14".

Impossible, this is asinine, it could...

...wait, what... Japan you say? Does this already...?

Huh...



Seriously, stop giving GW any credit.

Yeah, why the hell not?

My gut reaction was no way. But then I realised that's because I don't want to own a titan. I don't think I'd find painting it very fun and I'm not interested in games of that scale (unless it's a one off)

But my grumpy set-in-my-ways view shouldn't ruin others' fun. Don't be fooled though. GW titans might be cheaper than FW but that won't make them be cheap.

Bring Epic back. For the price of a single titan, you could get a gigantic amount of Epic stuff, including the titans you want with rules that actually fit with the rest of the game it is in.

Bringing Epic back would be cool, if only so we could make 40K ripper swarms out of the Hive Tyrants and Lictors.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Bring Epic back. For the price of a single titan, you could get a gigantic amount of Epic stuff, including the titans you want with rules that actually fit with the rest of the game it is in.

Rules that were fairly well written, too. Epic was probably the best GW have ever done in terms of balance and rules.

 BlackArmour wrote:

jhe90 wrote:
No, leave it to forgeworld, they handle most of the super hevey stuff and do it we'll + can you do plastic to that scale?

Though a forgeworld model of bigger titans at be interesting if not insanely expensive

sadly for most they are already insanely expensive a reaver titan with option comes in at close to $1000.00 US. My wife might put me in the hospital with that kinda cash spent on one model.

Though I did ask my FLGS what my account was up to today and they said i've spent $6,148.00 so0o0o0o lets hope she never finds that one out haha , hell that doesn't even include E-bay purchases.

All n all I would be happy if they did it and I would likely buy one if the prices were brought in line.

Don,t let her ever see that post lol!
Wow that's a lot of money, thought over a couple of years it starts to look less insane . :-)

 TheKbob wrote:
Why, a massive meter tall model should cost so much money, it'd be asinine. I mean, we already pay $85 for 6.5"~ Riptides and $115 for 9" tall Wraithknights. Even a Revenant Titan is $300+ and 12~14".

Impossible, this is asinine, it could...

...wait, what... Japan you say? Does this already...?

Huh...

Spoiler:

FOR ROUGHLY $270 USD
SOURCE

Seriously, stop giving GW any credit.

Whilst I am of the opinion that the miniatures are overpriced, I don't think that example is a fair comparison. It has far less detail than GW or FW miniatures.

EDIT: Of course, that could also just be a very small woman.

Well as a man who owns many many fw products I say no the price is fine. For the price of 25 packs of cancer sticks you get a warhound. My friend smokes 2 packs a week so roughly 12 weeks 3 months of cancer free sticks you get a titan. Or 20 visits to fatty mcd's. Only thing GW does better is none of this increasing prices every freaking day and 2 import/shipping fees fw charges.

Hard to complain when you spend insane amounts on other crap ya don't need.

btw epic sucked they looked like lego men, lego large scale wars still sucks.

 knas ser wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:
Why, a massive meter tall model should cost so much money, it'd be asinine. I mean, we already pay $85 for 6.5"~ Riptides and $115 for 9" tall Wraithknights. Even a Revenant Titan is $300+ and 12~14".

Impossible, this is asinine, it could...

...wait, what... Japan you say? Does this already...?

Huh...

Spoiler:

FOR ROUGHLY $270 USD
SOURCE

Seriously, stop giving GW any credit.

Whilst I am of the opinion that the miniatures are overpriced, I don't think that example is a fair comparison. It has far less detail than GW or FW miniatures.

EDIT: Of course, that could also just be a very small woman.

The kits are detailed for the art style they have chosen, primarily the anime theme. It's got a ton of little bits (I've built a couple Master Grades now) and nothing is stopping from further conversions with plasticard and greenstuff. Since these kits are significantly cheaper than their GW counterparts, you can spring on some extra modeling stuffs and go to town. The added bonus' to those kits is that they are colored plastics. Some people do not want to paint large scale miniatures and would rather have an "out of the box" solution. For $270, you have a kit that's a preset color scheme that needs no other changes to be "table legal" in the bare plastic form. Further, the models are still fully articulate and come with multiple weapon options.

The amount of plastic, let alone multicolored sprued plastic, I get in a Master Grade kit for $65~ shipped for a 12" model makes anything GW produce look like child's play. Yes, the focused on adding more fiddly bits, but that's the art style, not the limitations on technology or cost.

The model can be seen on the source with just how big the box is containing the sprues. You can also see the model in comparison to other kits. It's probably about a meter tall, being much larger than most of the Forgeworld Titans and clocking in at a third of their price for probably quadruple the material and being fully articulate to boot, let alone being more lightweight plastic versus a massive hunk of resin (which will probably need a lot more love and care than the plastic used for Gundam kits). Many of the Imperial Titans (and Eldar Titans) feature large smooth/flat pieces as well that do not have distinct amounts of detail. I have a Revenant in box and I'm dreading building that more than I would a Gundam kit of the same size.

I get the perception people have on these kits, but fiddling with them as I have has made me completely baffled on how GW can charge so much for so little when it comes to their big stompy models. Even if that woman is only 4' tall, that's still a 2' tall model for $270. The Reaver Titan is about 16" tall and is currently $720 shipped.

Fw is actually cheaper than gw if you live down here in aus-nz.
I imagine that if gw made a titan it would cost more than the fw models, leading to derp and rage. Plus theres not enough demand for them to bother, they barely trouble themselves making moulds for the core units in 40k, some that havent been updated since 3rd. I'd rather see chaos knights as knights are ultimate cheese and i want in.

Yeah, best fill out the Infantry-sized gaps in the model range before catering to the players that can afford a $500 dollar figure.

Like, maybe the plastic Aspect warriors Eldar have been wanting since the metals turned to Finecast years ago?

 TheKbob wrote:

Spoiler:

 knas ser wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:
Why, a massive meter tall model should cost so much money, it'd be asinine. I mean, we already pay $85 for 6.5"~ Riptides and $115 for 9" tall Wraithknights. Even a Revenant Titan is $300+ and 12~14".

Impossible, this is asinine, it could...

...wait, what... Japan you say? Does this already...?

Huh...


FOR ROUGHLY $270 USD
SOURCE

Seriously, stop giving GW any credit.

Whilst I am of the opinion that the miniatures are overpriced, I don't think that example is a fair comparison. It has far less detail than GW or FW miniatures.

EDIT: Of course, that could also just be a very small woman.

The kits are detailed for the art style they have chosen, primarily the anime theme. It's got a ton of little bits (I've built a couple Master Grades now) and nothing is stopping from further conversions with plasticard and greenstuff. Since these kits are significantly cheaper than their GW counterparts, you can spring on some extra modeling stuffs and go to town. The added bonus' to those kits is that they are colored plastics. Some people do not want to paint large scale miniatures and would rather have an "out of the box" solution. For $270, you have a kit that's a preset color scheme that needs no other changes to be "table legal" in the bare plastic form. Further, the models are still fully articulate and come with multiple weapon options.

The amount of plastic, let alone multicolored sprued plastic, I get in a Master Grade kit for $65~ shipped for a 12" model makes anything GW produce look like child's play. Yes, the focused on adding more fiddly bits, but that's the art style, not the limitations on technology or cost.

The model can be seen on the source with just how big the box is containing the sprues. You can also see the model in comparison to other kits. It's probably about a meter tall, being much larger than most of the Forgeworld Titans and clocking in at a third of their price for probably quadruple the material and being fully articulate to boot, let alone being more lightweight plastic versus a massive hunk of resin (which will probably need a lot more love and care than the plastic used for Gundam kits). Many of the Imperial Titans (and Eldar Titans) feature large smooth/flat pieces as well that do not have distinct amounts of detail. I have a Revenant in box and I'm dreading building that more than I would a Gundam kit of the same size.

I get the perception people have on these kits, but fiddling with them as I have has made me completely baffled on how GW can charge so much for so little when it comes to their big stompy models. Even if that woman is only 4' tall, that's still a 2' tall model for $270. The Reaver Titan is about 16" tall and is currently $720 shipped.

Agreed. And, even without going to Japan, simply compare the GW Imperial Knight to the DFG Leviathan Crusader. GW claims to be the market leader, but they're clearly trailing well behind when it comes to model engineering. "Lacking detail" is a purely subjective, aesthetic argument that does not apply to all people. And, by the way, skulls, rivets, and unidentifiable gubbinz are not detail, they're greeble. I don't see anybody not buying Ford F-150s because they "lack detail."

GW is perfectly capable of producing plastic titans, especially since they own the designs themselves, have their own digital sculptors, and their own production capability. I do not, however, think it would be profitable for them to do so. I don't think they would sell enough Warhounds to recoup the cost of the molds (on the other hand, how much could the molds really cost when they make them themselves, as well?).