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GW finally revealed the new Shokk Attack Gun for the orks, and I looked over it fairly carefully. The only army I own is orks, I love the tek-no-loj-i-kal bits of the orks, and I love random, funny things, so I was thinking this new SAG would be an instant pick for me. (Especially considering I've been collecting the Big Mek models.) I saw some leaked images of the White Dwarf, and the images were really fuzzy, so I couldn't see much, but it didn't look too impressive.
Having looked at the released images on the GW shop site, not only am I not impressed, I'm incredibly disappointed.
I'm not entirely sure what I was expecting, but I just don't really like this new model. I will admit it looks much more dynamic and high-energy with the swirly energy around the SAG and the poor snotling being pulled into the feed so hard his form starts to elongate and distort but... while I do like tons of the details on the new model, it just doesn't look good as a whole. Maybe I'm just too hooked on the old model. What's everyone else think?

I agree, it looks far to big in my opinion. If the gun where more proportionate then I think it would be pretty nice.

I do love the "vacuum" though.

It looks pretty cool, easily as cool as the old model. I would love to get one for my fledgling Orks, but man, I really don't want to pay almost 40 bucks for a single model. I mean sheesh, a support weapon for the Eldar is only $25!

How is this thing worth the same amount of money as a friggin' trukk?

 ShadowMageAlpha wrote:
GW finally revealed the new Shokk Attack Gun for the orks, and I looked over it fairly carefully. The only army I own is orks, I love the tek-no-loj-i-kal bits of the orks, and I love random, funny things, so I was thinking this new SAG would be an instant pick for me. (Especially considering I've been collecting the Big Mek models.) I saw some leaked images of the White Dwarf, and the images were really fuzzy, so I couldn't see much, but it didn't look too impressive.
Having looked at the released images on the GW shop site, not only am I not impressed, I'm incredibly disappointed.
I'm not entirely sure what I was expecting, but I just don't really like this new model. I will admit it looks much more dynamic and high-energy with the swirly energy around the SAG and the poor snotling being pulled into the feed so hard his form starts to elongate and distort but... while I do like tons of the details on the new model, it just doesn't look good as a whole. Maybe I'm just too hooked on the old model. What's everyone else think?

Spoiler:

I agree with you

 AegisGrimm wrote:
It looks pretty cool, easily as cool as the old model. I would love to get one for my fledgling Orks, but man, I really don't want to pay almost 40 bucks for a single model. I mean sheesh, a support weapon for the Eldar is only $25!

How is this thing worth the same amount of money as a friggin' trukk?

What!

40USD?

Way more fun to just make your own wouldnt it?

I don't get it. The two models are virtually identical. One could convert from one to the other without much work.

Why is one awesome and the other suck when they look so much alike? Doesn't make much sense to me.

The new head looks slowed. He also looks a bit too upright for an Ork (especially one with that gun on his back.) not liking the neatly routed cabling around his chest either. I like the old one better. Maybe with the new whirly bits for the energy trails though.

Swastakowey wrote:I agree, it looks far to big in my opinion. If the gun where more proportionate then I think it would be pretty nice.

I don't have any way to support this, but I feel the old model FEELS bigger. Maybe it's the posture of the Ork and how he appears (at least to me) to be hunched over with the weight of the gun. The new model seems the thing's made out of styrofoam and weighs about 5 points. He's holding the thing so high and he looks so unburdened. But then again, they are orks, the race who wields Heavy Machine guns one-handed.

Ailaros wrote:I don't get it. The two models are virtually identical. One could convert from one to the other without much work.

Why is one awesome and the other suck when they look so much alike? Doesn't make much sense to me.

I can't figure it out myself. I think it's very vexing how I like so many PARTS of the new model, but as a whole, I hate it. I love the mechanical arm holding the gun up, I love the snotling, I love the newer gun design, but I just don't like the model. And I'll be zogged if I can figure out why...

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
The new head looks slowed. He also looks a bit too upright for an Ork (especially one with that gun on his back.) not liking the neatly routed cabling around his chest either. I like the old one better. Maybe with the new whirly bits for the energy trails though.

Thats why they look so different, one is rightfully slouched, the other is heretically standing up strait. WTF

Lol, I LOVE that.

How is it any less slouched?

I think it's the fact that you're looking at the second one more straight-on. The head would be jutting out more if you were looking at it just as much in profile as the other. The top of the head comes up to the same level with the shoulders on both models.

Would it be because one is finecast and the new one is plastic Ailaros?

I have the old one, and I like the old one better. The new one isn't terrible, but the combination of the weird face and straight posture doesn't seem quite right.

The face is abysmal, it's all angles and no organic shape, it looks like a tiki mask.

Davor wrote:
Would it be because one is finecast and the new one is plastic Ailaros?

What difference would that make?

Anyways, I think most of the hallucination really is just from the angle that the models are being photographed from. Put the two more in line with each other...

Given those pictures, I still say the new one looks to have a straighter stance. It may be an illusion, but it seems that way to me.

Nope, the new one is still standing more strait up

I never realized it sucked up grots before.... Does it use grots as ammo in game?

And its definitely standing up right in the new one. Just leaning forward a bit i think.

 Swastakowey wrote:
I never realized it sucked up grots before.... Does it use grots as ammo in game?

And its definitely standing up right in the new one. Just leaning forward a bit i think.

It's actually sucking up Snotlings (more primitive, less cunning grots). And in older editions, yes, it actually used to use models as ammo.

The new one just has a longer torso is all. You've got to look at the comparison of the head to the shoulders, which is the same in both models (especially considering that in my above post the new one was taken from a lower angle, so will look taller).

The only real difference in posture is that the legs aren't quite as bent in the new one. Otherwise, it's just a bigger ork, not a more straight-standing one.

And yes, the shokk attack gun opens a rift into the warp through which they teleport snotlings which go berzerk and tear things apart from the inside out. It's particularly hilarious to consider when used against enemy vehicles. Especially fancy ones like eldar skimmers. Or imagine a tau suddenly finding he's not the only occupant of his crisis suit...

 Ailaros wrote:
The only real difference in posture is that the legs aren't quite as bent in the new one

Isn't that...kinda not standing straight? If you're crouching more, as the old one is, you're not "standing straight"....right? (And I ran up stairs and got my model and compared it to the 360 degree "picture" on the GW site. HUGE difference in posture, though it's all in the legs.)

But come on. The original model has his legs spread out at like 60 degrees compared to the new one's 45 degrees.

BOTH of them are crouching way out. Neither of them are standing even remotely close to straight.

About the change i was expecting when i heard the SAG was getting a new fashion statement.

Unless they totally changed how it looked to be more of a legit cannon instead of a whirly-spinny-thingy-of-shokky-goodness, which would kill its aesthetics, its bound to be the same damn thing.

The lightning bolt thing is stupid easy to add to your SAG, and thats the only obvious difference. Take some wire and some pliers, bend it into a jagged form, stick it into the balls on the original model. Bam, thunderbolts.
Unless its a large model, ive never been a fan of having that much detail tucked away under the arms, pants, or in other usually overlooked areas because its so small its hard to paint and rarely adds to the model outside a close-up shot.

I can't find it now, and I looked for it, but I once saw a great diorama someone had made of a Mek shooting the SAG at a group of Terminators. They were greenstuff'd so that the Snotlings were tearing their way out of the Terminator armor - I believe one Terminator was stomping a Snotling.

edit: I found it!

http://www.coolminiornot.com/223000?browseid=9409397

Awwwwww...poor Snotling

Anywho back to SAG, I like the mini, just not the price I think the paint job makes the head look a bit sharp but the added details are pretty good, I think the pose is fine also.

They're both good models. I like the paintjob on the older one more (more realistic) so I have to allow for that. Other than that my main things I don't like on the new is that the face is somewhat blocky and looks a bit false and I'm not overly fond of the electricity bolts on the spheres. But the latter is a minor quibble.

I honestly don't see why they bothered to change it. Did they have to because of the old mould wearing out or something?

They went from Metal-Finecast to Plastic.

On further reflection, I dislike the faces and body on this model. The face looks like the cover of that Pink Floyd album, it's too cubic and looks plastic. Ditto the muscles on his arm and the snotling's face as well. I don't know how much that could be mitigated by better paintwork. It does make it look a bit toy-like.

I really like the new model and it almost makes me want to pick up a small Ork army.

While I know they can do better with CAD, the newer one is just too much "I made this using a computer". It's lacking that organic feeling. The motif, including the stretched snotling being pulled in, is better, but the older model has more character and charm.

Also, $37 for a clam pack plastic miniature is a rip off and then some. Ghaazghkull is $40, in comparison. Or you can get 10 space marines in plastic for $40.

If it wasn't the sculpt, it's the price that kills it.