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Refering to PG 63 in the BRB.
"Jetbikes can move over all models and terrain freely."

I am not sure what this actually means, specifically when making vertical moves.

If I am 4" away from a piece of impassable terrain that is 3" high how far do I need to move to make it on top?

Do I measure 4" over plus 3" up for a total of 7"?
5" measured in a straight line from the starting point to the top of the terrain piece?
4" ignoring the vertical movement completely?

 extremefreak17 wrote:
If I am 4" away from a piece of impassable terrain that is 3" high how far do I need to move to make it on top?

You would measure the actual distance from where you start to where you will end. I.E. the Hypotenuse of the Triangle.

In that case, 5 inches of movement.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 extremefreak17 wrote:
If I am 4" away from a piece of impassable terrain that is 3" high how far do I need to move to make it on top?

You would measure the actual distance from where you start to where you will end. I.E. the Hypotenuse of the Triangle.

In that case, 5 inches of movement.

Phew! Good to know I have been playing it correctly!

Yes, you get to measure the direct distance. The down side is you will almost always need to take a dangerous terrain test

 DeathReaper wrote:

You would measure the actual distance from where you start to where you will end. I.E. the Hypotenuse of the Triangle.

In that case, 5 inches of movement.

Why would a jetbike be an exception to the Moving Vertically rules? Being a jetbike allows it to move over terrain freely, not onto terrain freely.

Okay..... now lets say you don't want to land at the top, but want to land 4" on the other side of the terrain.

Is that 10" of movement, or 8" of movement?

8 inches. Because you ignore the intervening terrain.


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It does give some odd situations when you have a row of skyscrapers but I guess it's easier that way.

I don't believe that is correct anymore at all, see Moving vertically in the Movement phase section. It makes it very clear that you spend some movement horizontally and then some vertically. At no point in the rules do I see any exception to this, basically you never get to use the Hypotenuse any more since 7th.

All I could find was jetbikes move over terrain freely, although I'd say there can be different interpretations of that as well.

I'm not sure if this is the exception. It's found under under unit type bikes and jetbikes.

To me moving on to terrain is moving over terrain. You had to move over some portion of it to get on top. The thing that hangs me up is "freely" what the heck does that even mean?

Without Restriction.

JinxDragon wrote:
Without Restriction.

But without what restriction exactly?

You would need to move to the terrain, then move straight up, then over the terrain, so you would have to calculate the inches for all of this.

So 3" to get there, 4" to go straight up then however many you need to go over

 Lobomalo wrote:
You would need to move to the terrain, then move straight up, then over the terrain, so you would have to calculate the inches for all of this.

So 3" to get there, 4" to go straight up then however many you need to go over

No, you would just measure the horizontal distance

Jetbikes can go through terrain without being slowed down. "Bikes and Jetbikes are not slowed down by difficult terrain"

"Jetbikes can move over all other models and terrain freely" meaning they are never impeded by things that are in the way, they go over models and over terrain freely.

(Quotes from Unit types section, BIKES & JETBIKES sub-section)

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Lobomalo wrote:
You would need to move to the terrain, then move straight up, then over the terrain, so you would have to calculate the inches for all of this.

So 3" to get there, 4" to go straight up then however many you need to go over

No, you would just measure the horizontal distance

Jetbikes can go through terrain without being slowed down. "Bikes and Jetbikes are not slowed down by difficult terrain"

"Jetbikes can move over all other models and terrain freely" meaning they are never impeded by things that are in the way, they go over models and over terrain freely.

(Quotes from Unit types section, BIKES & JETBIKES sub-section)

That is interesting

Extremefreak17,

All Restrictions....
Freely is a word that should never be used in Rules.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Lobomalo wrote:
You would need to move to the terrain, then move straight up, then over the terrain, so you would have to calculate the inches for all of this.

So 3" to get there, 4" to go straight up then however many you need to go over

No, you would just measure the horizontal distance

Jetbikes can go through terrain without being slowed down. "Bikes and Jetbikes are not slowed down by difficult terrain"

"Jetbikes can move over all other models and terrain freely" meaning they are never impeded by things that are in the way, they go over models and over terrain freely.

(Quotes from Unit types section, BIKES & JETBIKES sub-section)

Well slowed by difficult terrain is doesn't have anything to do with vertical movement so that's doesn't change the vertical movement rule.
and going over terrain freely is actually defined by not being impeded by things in the way, so it also doesn't apply to the new vertical movement rule.
Keep in mind in the example he talking about ending his movement 4 inches higher than it began.

Kisada II wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Lobomalo wrote:
You would need to move to the terrain, then move straight up, then over the terrain, so you would have to calculate the inches for all of this.

So 3" to get there, 4" to go straight up then however many you need to go over

No, you would just measure the horizontal distance

Jetbikes can go through terrain without being slowed down. "Bikes and Jetbikes are not slowed down by difficult terrain"

"Jetbikes can move over all other models and terrain freely" meaning they are never impeded by things that are in the way, they go over models and over terrain freely.

(Quotes from Unit types section, BIKES & JETBIKES sub-section)

Well slowed by difficult terrain is doesn't have anything to do with vertical movement so that's doesn't change the vertical movement rule.
and going over terrain freely is actually defined by not being impeded by things in the way, so it also doesn't apply to the new vertical movement rule.
Keep in mind in the example he talking about ending his movement 4 inches higher than it began.

Right, but if there is a wall of that ruin in between where he starts and where he finishes, he does not have to measure around said wall of the ruin.

With exception of moving between levels in ruins, there are no movement rules for vertical movement. As a result you move straight through a wall or other obstacle, just like a flier or skimmer would.

 Stephanius wrote:
With exception of moving between levels in ruins, there are no movement rules for vertical movement.

That's incorrect.

"When measuring a move where a model climbs terrain, add the distance the model moves horizontally to the distance it moves vertically; the result is considered to be the distance the model has moved."

No mention of ruins.

Back on topic, jetbikes have exception to move over terrain freely, not up terrain. Moving up or down with a jetbike from their initial position costs movement.

This question would be so much easier if they had included the ruins section from the 6th Ed book.

Maybe they wanted to drum up business for YMDC.

No, I have always found this to be an unclear point in the rules.

The way some people (maybe most) play it, is a jetpack can legally go up and over a 7" barrier and land on the other side, but does not have enough movement to go up and land on that barrier.

Part of the problem seems to be the difference between freedom to go 'through' terrain, and freedom to go 'over' terrain, and how that interacts with allowed movement distance.

Nothing says that jetbikes or bikes move in any way differently to infantry when it comes to vertical movement, it just says they are not slowed by it.

You still follow the movement rules.

Unless you move completely over it and end up out of any terrain. Then you ignore it is even there.

Me and my friends discussed this as well. We just concluded that perhaps the jet pack unit or jetbike either busted through the walls or windows or skirted it somewhat. It's definitely more unbelievable when it's a solid terrain likes plateau but short of having specific rules for individual terrain, we decided to keep it neat.

Interestingly, all terrain can now have datasheets, which is gonna make it more confusing for us I think.

Not really, the Datasheet's won't change unless you agree to the changes.
Settle on one lot of sheets with your group and stick to them.

JinxDragon wrote:
Extremefreak17,

All Restrictions....
Freely is a word that should never be used in Rules.

!!!

I have my pet hate for certain things and "Exception-proof" Rules are a big one.

I would interpret "over" as "through", unless you end your movement on top of a piece of terrain. Flying "over" a piece of terrain "freely" in this interpretation would mean that if you start and end your movement completely clear of it, you ignore it, but if you start or end your movement on top of it, you have not flown "over" it and thus must measure diagonally.