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I'm talking 7th ed Teclis, Kairos, and even apoc creed himself.

Who do you think was or still is the single most overpowered character in the history of 40k and fantasy?

Powerful in what way?

The only one I remember (though that's because I don't really look into this sort of thing) was 6th edition Tyranids with the 5th edition codex. The Swarmlord was the single best 1vs1 beatstick in the game if it took Biomancy, which also handed out army buffs like candy.

 -Loki- wrote:
Powerful in what way?

The only one I remember (though that's because I don't really look into this sort of thing) was 6th edition Tyranids with the 5th edition codex. The Swarmlord was the single best 1vs1 beatstick in the game if it took Biomancy, which also handed out army buffs like candy.

Some characters became gak to op or vice versa in a second. Who do you feel was the most overpowered unit in the history of the game?

Perhaps Mephiston during 5th. It's hard to say because it depends if you factor in points cost.

Makari.

Because Makari

 Generalian wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Powerful in what way?

The only one I remember (though that's because I don't really look into this sort of thing) was 6th edition Tyranids with the 5th edition codex. The Swarmlord was the single best 1vs1 beatstick in the game if it took Biomancy, which also handed out army buffs like candy.

Some characters became gak to op or vice versa in a second. Who do you feel was the most overpowered unit in the history of the game?

That's extremely hard to determine because you can't compare the top characters from each edition against the top characters from other editions. What was super powerful in 3rd edition, for example, was pretty pitiful compared to what we have now, even in 3rd edition (they really, really toned down characters in that edition). It's pretty much impossible to come up with a greatest 'of all time' since each edition emphasises different things.

 -Loki- wrote:

 Generalian wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Powerful in what way?

The only one I remember (though that's because I don't really look into this sort of thing) was 6th edition Tyranids with the 5th edition codex. The Swarmlord was the single best 1vs1 beatstick in the game if it took Biomancy, which also handed out army buffs like candy.

Some characters became gak to op or vice versa in a second. Who do you feel was the most overpowered unit in the history of the game?

That's extremely hard to determine because you can't compare the top characters from each edition against the top characters from other editions. What was super powerful in 3rd edition, for example, was pretty pitiful compared to what we have now, even in 3rd edition (they really, really toned down characters in that edition). It's pretty much impossible to come up with a greatest 'of all time' since each edition emphasises different things.

That's actually why I brought up this topic. Some characters are obviously better in other editions, but which characters sufficiently DOMINATED their edition. I'm talking about characters that made you groan to see. Even if it something like a 3rd edition space marine captain.

The previous version of the Necron Monolith. If my opponent brought more than one of those, I had to fight the urge to spike them into the pavement.

"D-Weapon lite" Warscythes were a little broken, too.

 Jimsolo wrote:
The previous version of the Necron Monolith. If my opponent brought more than one of those, I had to fight the urge to spike them into the pavement.

"D-Weapon lite" Warscythes were a little broken, too.

Do you mean Doomscythes, Jim?

I'm gonna take a note on the wave serpent. Not quite a character or whatever, but they're relatively cheap, fast, very survivable and have decent to excellent damage output.

Failing in that, Ghazkul is the light in a dark codex - He's fantastically tough, and hits like a truck (or a mag train, if you read the fluff!)

 Scipio Africanus wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
The previous version of the Necron Monolith. If my opponent brought more than one of those, I had to fight the urge to spike them into the pavement.

"D-Weapon lite" Warscythes were a little broken, too.

Do you mean Doomscythes, Jim?

I'm gonna take a note on the wave serpent. Not quite a character or whatever, but they're relatively cheap, fast, very survivable and have decent to excellent damage output.

Failing in that, Ghazkul is the light in a dark codex - He's fantastically tough, and hits like a truck (or a mag train, if you read the fluff!)

Lol, no. I mean the CC weapon that granted no saves of any kind (just like a D weapon). And every time I faced one, I kept thinking of other words I wanted to apply to my opponents, that also started with 'D.'

Monolith gets my vote, though. Even above the Wave Serpent. Wave Serpent is a skimmer that you CAN penetrate easily (even if 5/6 of those pens are reduced to glances) and can glance to death with no problem. The old Monolith was almost impossible to pen, could never have additional dice rolled to pen it, and was actually impossible to glance to death. Every time I think about it, I giggle like Jack Nicholson in Batman and murmur "I'm glad it's dead," over and over into the darkness.

 -Loki- wrote:

 Generalian wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Powerful in what way?

The only one I remember (though that's because I don't really look into this sort of thing) was 6th edition Tyranids with the 5th edition codex. The Swarmlord was the single best 1vs1 beatstick in the game if it took Biomancy, which also handed out army buffs like candy.

Some characters became gak to op or vice versa in a second. Who do you feel was the most overpowered unit in the history of the game?

That's extremely hard to determine because you can't compare the top characters from each edition against the top characters from other editions. What was super powerful in 3rd edition, for example, was pretty pitiful compared to what we have now, even in 3rd edition (they really, really toned down characters in that edition). It's pretty much impossible to come up with a greatest 'of all time' since each edition emphasizes different things.

One of the reasons that 3rd edition remains my favorite. (The other was the fact that they put the automatic deviation for blast weapons back into the game with 4th edition.)

See The Auld Grump.
See The Auld Grump not playing 4th edition WH40K....

A well designed Blood Angel army in 3rd edition was kind of dangerously overpowered though - even without uber characters....

The Auld Grump, who played Dark Angels....

Nagash.

 Jimsolo wrote:

 Scipio Africanus wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
The previous version of the Necron Monolith. If my opponent brought more than one of those, I had to fight the urge to spike them into the pavement.

"D-Weapon lite" Warscythes were a little broken, too.

Do you mean Doomscythes, Jim?

I'm gonna take a note on the wave serpent. Not quite a character or whatever, but they're relatively cheap, fast, very survivable and have decent to excellent damage output.

Failing in that, Ghazkul is the light in a dark codex - He's fantastically tough, and hits like a truck (or a mag train, if you read the fluff!)

Lol, no. I mean the CC weapon that granted no saves of any kind (just like a D weapon). And every time I faced one, I kept thinking of other words I wanted to apply to my opponents, that also started with 'D.'

Monolith gets my vote, though. Even above the Wave Serpent. Wave Serpent is a skimmer that you CAN penetrate easily (even if 5/6 of those pens are reduced to glances) and can glance to death with no problem. The old Monolith was almost impossible to pen, could never have additional dice rolled to pen it, and was actually impossible to glance to death. Every time I think about it, I giggle like Jack Nicholson in Batman and murmur "I'm glad it's dead," over and over into the darkness.

Of course, I was thinking of units, not wargear!

Teclis is obscenely powerful. If you could port Fantasy's magic rules into 40k he could probably take out an entire army on his own.

The infiltrating deamon Prince with Calvary upgrade was pretty brutal

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Nagash.

Nagash was powerful, but also very expensive. Point for point, I got more milage out of putting a random vampire lord on a dragon then fielding the big death clown. This was back in 5th? edition WHFB, he might have been broken in earlier versions, not sure if he made it to later ones (it’s been a while)

Old C'tan

 Formosa wrote:
The infiltrating deamon Prince with Calvary upgrade was pretty brutal

And the minor psychic power which stated you couldn't shoot or charge it (unless you were using Grey Knights that is)....

I believe in this edition, Be'Lakor is the single post powerful character in 7th edition. Sure he is a land raider +100pt, but he is a shrouded Flying daemon prince, which gives him a +2 cover save at all times if you choose to jink. He knows ALL telepathy, so he wont need to jink if he is invisible. He has Armorbane and Fleshbane, so no worries about some T10 or AV14 opponent. Pretty sure he is ML4, so he will be able to cast at least 1 spell easily. He also has Eternal warrior, which is required in character bouts. Lastly he is a daemon prince, so massive crazy pants statline.

Not only is Belakor a good force multiplier, he is also a good beat stick and support.

2nd edition Bloodthirster was a pretty mean mofo.

2nd edition Khornate Chaos Lord giggles at the Bloodthirster.

Yeah a space marine lord back in 2nd edition fought like a primarch. Terminator armor with its 3+save on 2d6, an aegis shield for 2+ sav against all psychic attacks and a field for a 3+ invulnerable. All this was before you put unreal weapons on him.

 gwarsh41 wrote:
I believe in this edition, Be'Lakor is the single post powerful character in 7th edition. Sure he is a land raider +100pt, but he is a shrouded Flying daemon prince, which gives him a +2 cover save at all times if you choose to jink. He knows ALL telepathy, so he wont need to jink if he is invisible. He has Armorbane and Fleshbane, so no worries about some T10 or AV14 opponent. Pretty sure he is ML4, so he will be able to cast at least 1 spell easily. He also has Eternal warrior, which is required in character bouts. Lastly he is a daemon prince, so massive crazy pants statline.

Not only is Belakor a good force multiplier, he is also a good beat stick and support.

invisibility doesn't do that anymore. Just snap shots (which he already has, he's an FMC)

He has armourbane and fleshbane? That's weird. Skarbrand has armour bane or fleshbane.

Also he's T5, he only needs eternal warrior against certain characters, Rad grenades and Biomancers.

*stats were wrong

Njal StormCaller in 2nd Edition was brutal if you were playing with the Dark Millenium psychic rules.

But I would have to say Harlequin Solitaire in Rogue Trader / second edition was pretty brutal.

WHFB 3rd edition Elementals.

Stats were 10's across the board.

KommissarKarl wrote:
Teclis is obscenely powerful. If you could port Fantasy's magic rules into 40k he could probably take out an entire army on his own.

Derp derp, nevermind, i agree.


The current edition isn't as bad as the previous. Previous High Elf Army book should have just said Statistic: Blow-gak-Uppus - 27, and called it day.

F'ing nasty under the old rules. Still strong, but no way near what he used to be.

+1 on Ghaz. He's consistently been a beat stick. Its just hard to get him where he needs to be.

2nd ed Chaos Codex had Daemon Princes in the back that had stats over 10. The Khornate Prince had something like 20 WS 12 S 12 attacks that ignored armour. The Nurgle was a giant toad monster with 18 wounds and he healed himself every time he caused wounds.

Kharn the Betrayer in 5th, especially in low points games. Unkillable for most armies.

Necron Overlords in 5th.

MSS and Scythes (plus the Tachyon Arrow for added gakery).