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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 03:38:08
Subject: Who is the single most powerful figure ever created during their edition?
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Alluring Mounted Daemonette
Springfield Plaza GW Store
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I'm talking 7th ed Teclis, Kairos, and even apoc creed himself.
Who do you think was or still is the single most overpowered character in the history of 40k and fantasy?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 03:43:13
Subject: Who is the single most powerful figure ever created during their edition?
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Norn Queen
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Powerful in what way?
The only one I remember (though that's because I don't really look into this sort of thing) was 6th edition Tyranids with the 5th edition codex. The Swarmlord was the single best 1vs1 beatstick in the game if it took Biomancy, which also handed out army buffs like candy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 04:04:29
Subject: Who is the single most powerful figure ever created during their edition?
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Alluring Mounted Daemonette
Springfield Plaza GW Store
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-Loki- wrote:Powerful in what way?
The only one I remember (though that's because I don't really look into this sort of thing) was 6th edition Tyranids with the 5th edition codex. The Swarmlord was the single best 1vs1 beatstick in the game if it took Biomancy, which also handed out army buffs like candy.
Some characters became gak to op or vice versa in a second. Who do you feel was the most overpowered unit in the history of the game?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 04:07:26
Subject: Who is the single most powerful figure ever created during their edition?
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Slaanesh Veteran Marine with Tentacles
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Perhaps Mephiston during 5th. It's hard to say because it depends if you factor in points cost.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 04:19:38
Subject: Who is the single most powerful figure ever created during their edition?
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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Makari.
Because Makari
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The Viletide: Daemons of Nurgle/Deathguard: 7400 pts
Disclples of the Dragon - Ad Mech - about 2000 pts
GSC - about 2000 Pts
Rhulic Mercs - um...many...
Circle Oroboros - 300 Pts or so
Menoth - 300+ pts
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 04:20:27
Subject: Who is the single most powerful figure ever created during their edition?
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Norn Queen
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Generalian wrote: -Loki- wrote:Powerful in what way?
The only one I remember (though that's because I don't really look into this sort of thing) was 6th edition Tyranids with the 5th edition codex. The Swarmlord was the single best 1vs1 beatstick in the game if it took Biomancy, which also handed out army buffs like candy.
Some characters became gak to op or vice versa in a second. Who do you feel was the most overpowered unit in the history of the game?
That's extremely hard to determine because you can't compare the top characters from each edition against the top characters from other editions. What was super powerful in 3rd edition, for example, was pretty pitiful compared to what we have now, even in 3rd edition (they really, really toned down characters in that edition). It's pretty much impossible to come up with a greatest 'of all time' since each edition emphasises different things.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 04:24:59
Subject: Who is the single most powerful figure ever created during their edition?
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Alluring Mounted Daemonette
Springfield Plaza GW Store
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-Loki- wrote: Generalian wrote: -Loki- wrote:Powerful in what way?
The only one I remember (though that's because I don't really look into this sort of thing) was 6th edition Tyranids with the 5th edition codex. The Swarmlord was the single best 1vs1 beatstick in the game if it took Biomancy, which also handed out army buffs like candy.
Some characters became gak to op or vice versa in a second. Who do you feel was the most overpowered unit in the history of the game?
That's extremely hard to determine because you can't compare the top characters from each edition against the top characters from other editions. What was super powerful in 3rd edition, for example, was pretty pitiful compared to what we have now, even in 3rd edition (they really, really toned down characters in that edition). It's pretty much impossible to come up with a greatest 'of all time' since each edition emphasises different things.
That's actually why I brought up this topic. Some characters are obviously better in other editions, but which characters sufficiently DOMINATED their edition. I'm talking about characters that made you groan to see. Even if it something like a 3rd edition space marine captain.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 04:37:55
Subject: Re:Who is the single most powerful figure ever created during their edition?
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Hellish Haemonculus
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The previous version of the Necron Monolith. If my opponent brought more than one of those, I had to fight the urge to spike them into the pavement.
"D-Weapon lite" Warscythes were a little broken, too.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 04:45:54
Subject: Re:Who is the single most powerful figure ever created during their edition?
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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Jimsolo wrote:The previous version of the Necron Monolith. If my opponent brought more than one of those, I had to fight the urge to spike them into the pavement.
"D-Weapon lite" Warscythes were a little broken, too.
Do you mean Doomscythes, Jim?
I'm gonna take a note on the wave serpent. Not quite a character or whatever, but they're relatively cheap, fast, very survivable and have decent to excellent damage output.
Failing in that, Ghazkul is the light in a dark codex - He's fantastically tough, and hits like a truck (or a mag train, if you read the fluff!)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 04:53:41
Subject: Re:Who is the single most powerful figure ever created during their edition?
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Hellish Haemonculus
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Scipio Africanus wrote: Jimsolo wrote:The previous version of the Necron Monolith. If my opponent brought more than one of those, I had to fight the urge to spike them into the pavement.
"D-Weapon lite" Warscythes were a little broken, too.
Do you mean Doomscythes, Jim?
I'm gonna take a note on the wave serpent. Not quite a character or whatever, but they're relatively cheap, fast, very survivable and have decent to excellent damage output.
Failing in that, Ghazkul is the light in a dark codex - He's fantastically tough, and hits like a truck (or a mag train, if you read the fluff!)
Lol, no. I mean the CC weapon that granted no saves of any kind (just like a D weapon). And every time I faced one, I kept thinking of other words I wanted to apply to my opponents, that also started with 'D.'
Monolith gets my vote, though. Even above the Wave Serpent. Wave Serpent is a skimmer that you CAN penetrate easily (even if 5/6 of those pens are reduced to glances) and can glance to death with no problem. The old Monolith was almost impossible to pen, could never have additional dice rolled to pen it, and was actually impossible to glance to death. Every time I think about it, I giggle like Jack Nicholson in Batman and murmur "I'm glad it's dead," over and over into the darkness.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 05:07:42
Subject: Who is the single most powerful figure ever created during their edition?
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Posts with Authority
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-Loki- wrote: Generalian wrote: -Loki- wrote:Powerful in what way?
The only one I remember (though that's because I don't really look into this sort of thing) was 6th edition Tyranids with the 5th edition codex. The Swarmlord was the single best 1vs1 beatstick in the game if it took Biomancy, which also handed out army buffs like candy.
Some characters became gak to op or vice versa in a second. Who do you feel was the most overpowered unit in the history of the game?
That's extremely hard to determine because you can't compare the top characters from each edition against the top characters from other editions. What was super powerful in 3rd edition, for example, was pretty pitiful compared to what we have now, even in 3rd edition (they really, really toned down characters in that edition). It's pretty much impossible to come up with a greatest 'of all time' since each edition emphasizes different things.
One of the reasons that 3rd edition remains my favorite.  (The other was the fact that they put the automatic deviation for blast weapons back into the game with 4th edition.)
See The Auld Grump.
See The Auld Grump not playing 4th edition WH40K....
A well designed Blood Angel army in 3rd edition was kind of dangerously overpowered though - even without uber characters....
The Auld Grump, who played Dark Angels....
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Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 07:47:02
Subject: Who is the single most powerful figure ever created during their edition?
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Major
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Nagash.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 11:17:42
Subject: Re:Who is the single most powerful figure ever created during their edition?
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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Jimsolo wrote: Scipio Africanus wrote: Jimsolo wrote:The previous version of the Necron Monolith. If my opponent brought more than one of those, I had to fight the urge to spike them into the pavement.
"D-Weapon lite" Warscythes were a little broken, too.
Do you mean Doomscythes, Jim?
I'm gonna take a note on the wave serpent. Not quite a character or whatever, but they're relatively cheap, fast, very survivable and have decent to excellent damage output.
Failing in that, Ghazkul is the light in a dark codex - He's fantastically tough, and hits like a truck (or a mag train, if you read the fluff!)
Lol, no. I mean the CC weapon that granted no saves of any kind (just like a D weapon). And every time I faced one, I kept thinking of other words I wanted to apply to my opponents, that also started with 'D.'
Monolith gets my vote, though. Even above the Wave Serpent. Wave Serpent is a skimmer that you CAN penetrate easily (even if 5/6 of those pens are reduced to glances) and can glance to death with no problem. The old Monolith was almost impossible to pen, could never have additional dice rolled to pen it, and was actually impossible to glance to death. Every time I think about it, I giggle like Jack Nicholson in Batman and murmur "I'm glad it's dead," over and over into the darkness.
Of course, I was thinking of units, not wargear!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 11:20:23
Subject: Who is the single most powerful figure ever created during their edition?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Teclis is obscenely powerful. If you could port Fantasy's magic rules into 40k he could probably take out an entire army on his own.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 11:40:38
Subject: Who is the single most powerful figure ever created during their edition?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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The infiltrating deamon Prince with Calvary upgrade was pretty brutal
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 11:52:30
Subject: Who is the single most powerful figure ever created during their edition?
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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Nagash was powerful, but also very expensive. Point for point, I got more milage out of putting a random vampire lord on a dragon then fielding the big death clown. This was back in 5th? edition WHFB, he might have been broken in earlier versions, not sure if he made it to later ones (it’s been a while)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 12:44:36
Subject: Who is the single most powerful figure ever created during their edition?
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Widowmaker
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Old C'tan
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2012- stopped caring
Nova Open 2011- Orks 8th Seed---(I see a trend)
Adepticon 2011- Mike H. Orks 8th Seed (This was the WTF list of the Final 16)
Adepticon 2011- Combat Patrol Best General |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 13:15:31
Subject: Who is the single most powerful figure ever created during their edition?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Formosa wrote:The infiltrating deamon Prince with Calvary upgrade was pretty brutal
And the minor psychic power which stated you couldn't shoot or charge it (unless you were using Grey Knights that is)....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 13:23:18
Subject: Who is the single most powerful figure ever created during their edition?
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Nurgle Chosen Marine on a Palanquin
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I believe in this edition, Be'Lakor is the single post powerful character in 7th edition. Sure he is a land raider +100pt, but he is a shrouded Flying daemon prince, which gives him a +2 cover save at all times if you choose to jink. He knows ALL telepathy, so he wont need to jink if he is invisible. He has Armorbane and Fleshbane, so no worries about some T10 or AV14 opponent. Pretty sure he is ML4, so he will be able to cast at least 1 spell easily. He also has Eternal warrior, which is required in character bouts. Lastly he is a daemon prince, so massive crazy pants statline.
Not only is Belakor a good force multiplier, he is also a good beat stick and support.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 13:29:08
Subject: Who is the single most powerful figure ever created during their edition?
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Devastating Dark Reaper
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2nd edition Bloodthirster was a pretty mean mofo.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 14:09:54
Subject: Who is the single most powerful figure ever created during their edition?
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Wraith
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2nd edition Khornate Chaos Lord giggles at the Bloodthirster.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 14:33:30
Subject: Re:Who is the single most powerful figure ever created during their edition?
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Raging-on-the-Inside Blood Angel Sergeant
Lawrenceville, New Jersey, USA
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Yeah a space marine lord back in 2nd edition fought like a primarch. Terminator armor with its 3+save on 2d6, an aegis shield for 2+ sav against all psychic attacks and a field for a 3+ invulnerable. All this was before you put unreal weapons on him.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 14:39:59
Subject: Who is the single most powerful figure ever created during their edition?
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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gwarsh41 wrote:I believe in this edition, Be'Lakor is the single post powerful character in 7th edition. Sure he is a land raider +100pt, but he is a shrouded Flying daemon prince, which gives him a +2 cover save at all times if you choose to jink. He knows ALL telepathy, so he wont need to jink if he is invisible. He has Armorbane and Fleshbane, so no worries about some T10 or AV14 opponent. Pretty sure he is ML4, so he will be able to cast at least 1 spell easily. He also has Eternal warrior, which is required in character bouts. Lastly he is a daemon prince, so massive crazy pants statline. Not only is Belakor a good force multiplier, he is also a good beat stick and support. invisibility doesn't do that anymore. Just snap shots (which he already has, he's an FMC) He has armourbane and fleshbane? That's weird. Skarbrand has armour bane or fleshbane. Also he's T5, he only needs eternal warrior against certain characters, Rad grenades and Biomancers. *stats were wrong
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 14:54:49
Subject: Who is the single most powerful figure ever created during their edition?
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Dakka Veteran
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Njal StormCaller in 2nd Edition was brutal if you were playing with the Dark Millenium psychic rules.
But I would have to say Harlequin Solitaire in Rogue Trader / second edition was pretty brutal.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 17:53:17
Subject: Who is the single most powerful figure ever created during their edition?
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Sslimey Sslyth
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WHFB 3rd edition Elementals.
Stats were 10's across the board.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/19 23:53:56
Subject: Who is the single most powerful figure ever created during their edition?
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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KommissarKarl wrote:Teclis is obscenely powerful. If you could port Fantasy's magic rules into 40k he could probably take out an entire army on his own.
Derp derp, nevermind, i agree.
The current edition isn't as bad as the previous. Previous High Elf Army book should have just said Statistic: Blow-gak-Uppus - 27, and called it day.
F'ing nasty under the old rules. Still strong, but no way near what he used to be.
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daedalus wrote:
I mean, it's Dakka. I thought snide arguments from emotion were what we did here.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/20 00:36:17
Subject: Who is the single most powerful figure ever created during their edition?
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Nasty Nob on a Boar
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+1 on Ghaz. He's consistently been a beat stick. Its just hard to get him where he needs to be.
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No madam, 40,000 is the year that this game is set in. Not how much it costs. Though you may have a point. - GW Fulchester
The Gatling Guns have flamethrowers on them because this is 40k - DOW III
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/20 01:58:04
Subject: Who is the single most powerful figure ever created during their edition?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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2nd ed Chaos Codex had Daemon Princes in the back that had stats over 10. The Khornate Prince had something like 20 WS 12 S 12 attacks that ignored armour. The Nurgle was a giant toad monster with 18 wounds and he healed himself every time he caused wounds.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/20 02:10:19
Subject: Re:Who is the single most powerful figure ever created during their edition?
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Jinking Ravenwing Land Speeder Pilot
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Kharn the Betrayer in 5th, especially in low points games. Unkillable for most armies.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/20 06:09:00
Subject: Re:Who is the single most powerful figure ever created during their edition?
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Irked Necron Immortal
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Necron Overlords in 5th.
MSS and Scythes (plus the Tachyon Arrow for added gakery).
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