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FAQ here: http://www.blacklibrary.com/Downloads/Product/PDF/Warhammer-40k/7th-faq/Imperial_Knights_v1.0_May14.pdf

The Knight codex FAQ states to ignore the sections regarding Knight Armies, and the only mention of CAD are when Knights are mentioned as a Knight detachment for CADs. Nothing about Knights as a standalone CAD army. Does this mean that, to field an entire army of Knights, they now have to be an Unbound list, and thus they don't act like troops with Objective Secured (aka what scoring troops from 6th ed became)?

No, you can have a fully bound Knights list, composed of however many Knight Detachments you want (A knight detachment is 3 Imperial Knights, and can then have a Warlord, as described in the FAQ)
So an example Bound army:

Knight Detachment (Primary Detachment)
3 Imperial Knights - 1 of them is your warlord

Knight Detachment
3 Imperial Knights

Knight Detachment
3 Imperial Knights

Knight Detachment
1 Imperial Knights

Which is a bound list of 10 Knights.

Knight Detachments are not CAD's. They're Knight Detachments.

A Battleforged Knight army uses Knight Detachments. These detachments do not have the "Objective Secured" Command Bonus.

 Enigwolf wrote:
FAQ here: http://www.blacklibrary.com/Downloads/Product/PDF/Warhammer-40k/7th-faq/Imperial_Knights_v1.0_May14.pdf

The Knight codex FAQ states to ignore the sections regarding Knight Armies, and the only mention of CAD are when Knights are mentioned as a Knight detachment for CADs. Nothing about Knights as a standalone CAD army. Does this mean that, to field an entire army of Knights, they now have to be an Unbound list, and thus they don't act like troops with Objective Secured (aka what scoring troops from 6th ed became)?

No. It just means that a Battle Forged Imperial list gains no benefits beyond having a Knight as a Warlord. The other detachments linked to the CAD IK detachments would still benefit from bring Battle Forged, though.

SJ

Note: If you play with only Knight Detachments, you do not have command benefits, and so no Objective Secured in any case, no

Not only "all knight armies", there's no way for any knight to get Objective secured.

 grendel083 wrote:
Not only "all knight armies", there's no way for any knight to get Objective secured.

Indeed, i meant more along the lines of:

Pure Knights can never have Objective Secured - they need allies/other detachments to get the rule for them (Marines/Guard/Tau)

 BlackTalos wrote:
Pure Knights can never have Objective Secured - they need allies/other detachments to get the rule for them (Marines/Guard/Tau)

Absolutley.

There also seems to be a lot of confusion around recently that somehow Detachments that aren't CAD's (Knight, Inquisition) are somehow counted as CAD's (and thus gain command benefits). No idea where this idea is coming from.

 Enigwolf wrote:
FAQ here: http://www.blacklibrary.com/Downloads/Product/PDF/Warhammer-40k/7th-faq/Imperial_Knights_v1.0_May14.pdf

The Knight codex FAQ states to ignore the sections regarding Knight Armies, and the only mention of CAD are when Knights are mentioned as a Knight detachment for CADs. Nothing about Knights as a standalone CAD army. Does this mean that, to field an entire army of Knights, they now have to be an Unbound list, and thus they don't act like troops with Objective Secured (aka what scoring troops from 6th ed became)?

Youre making a common mistake here, it seems

CAD is a *TYPE OF* detachment. It has specific rules, and is the old FOC w e know. It has command benefits, one of which is Objective secured.

You only get command benefits if your Detachment states you do. Not having a command benefit does not make you "unbound", as long as you still follow the detachment rules.

So a knight detachment IS bound if you follow the rules, however it gives you no particular benefits for BEING bound - even in unbound everything still scores. The main benefit would be if you wanted to include them alongside an otherwise bound CAD list.

Solid. Thanks guys!
Sad that pure-Knight armies didn't make the transition over with the rest of scoring troops->objective secured.

So Knights are not uncontestable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09vVF-Hvykg&feature=youtu.be&t=9s

 grendel083 wrote:

There also seems to be a lot of confusion around recently that somehow Detachments that aren't CAD's (Knight, Inquisition) are somehow counted as CAD's (and thus gain command benefits). No idea where this idea is coming from.

My guess is that it's a confusion between the Primary Detachment and the CAD, which stems from poor reading of the relevant BRB section.
"Primary Detachment" changed meaning, pretty dramatically, from 6e to 7e. I think people are still trying to fit their 6e understanding of force org (ie. 1 Primary Detachment, or 2 PDs at more points) with the new force org (ie. 1 Primary, infinite detachments).

 Enigwolf wrote:
Solid. Thanks guys!
Sad that pure-Knight armies didn't make the transition over with the rest of scoring troops->objective secured.

Don't worry, poor Trazyn is in the same corner with the knights

I don't think Knights have to much problem clearing troops off an objective though.

 Ashiraya wrote:
So Knights are not uncontestable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09vVF-Hvykg&feature=youtu.be&t=9s

Nope, and under the current rules never are

 Elric Greywolf wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:

There also seems to be a lot of confusion around recently that somehow Detachments that aren't CAD's (Knight, Inquisition) are somehow counted as CAD's (and thus gain command benefits). No idea where this idea is coming from.

My guess is that it's a confusion between the Primary Detachment and the CAD, which stems from poor reading of the relevant BRB section.
"Primary Detachment" changed meaning, pretty dramatically, from 6e to 7e. I think people are still trying to fit their 6e understanding of force org (ie. 1 Primary Detachment, or 2 PDs at more points) with the new force org (ie. 1 Primary, infinite detachments).

More likely the bad write up in WD at the start of 7e that said troops in a Battleforge list get Objective Secured SR. Like alot of other WD things it was not quite true.

barnowl wrote:

 Elric Greywolf wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:

There also seems to be a lot of confusion around recently that somehow Detachments that aren't CAD's (Knight, Inquisition) are somehow counted as CAD's (and thus gain command benefits). No idea where this idea is coming from.

My guess is that it's a confusion between the Primary Detachment and the CAD, which stems from poor reading of the relevant BRB section.
"Primary Detachment" changed meaning, pretty dramatically, from 6e to 7e. I think people are still trying to fit their 6e understanding of force org (ie. 1 Primary Detachment, or 2 PDs at more points) with the new force org (ie. 1 Primary, infinite detachments).

More likely the bad write up in WD at the start of 7e that said troops in a Battleforge list get Objective Secured SR. Like alot of other WD things it was not quite true.

This.

In any case, let's let this thread die, now that my question has been answered.

 grendel083 wrote:
I don't think Knights have to much problem clearing troops off an objective though.

Lol too true. They all still score just have to stomp the ever loving bejesus out the squad that might be there.